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Unfriendly fire
By John-W
Mon, 08/01/2011 - 10:03pm
If they had wanted a REAL training challenge they should have painted the Whole Foods logo on the side of the helicopter.
Or there training for the
By PeterGriffith5
Tue, 08/02/2011 - 1:14am
Or there training for the Whole Food riots when the store opens.
Now if they could do something about the rolling Critical Mass roadblocks, they indeed would be special!
This is a really interesting
By Anon
Tue, 08/02/2011 - 10:34am
This is a really interesting story. The spokesperson quoted is identified elsewhere as being attached to the 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment (A). Those are the folks who, for example, flew the aircraft in the Bin Laden raid. And the unit is frequently deployed through JSOC - the only part of the US military to have a standing authorization to 'advise' local and federal law enforcement on domestic matters.
The story doesn't give much of a hint as to whom they were inserting on the ground, but that's what I'd really love to know. The Tier One units - DevGru and Delta - might theoretically deploy in response to a domestic terrorist incident. But most of the special operations community doesn't deploy domestically.
So there are two possibilities here. The less likely one is that this was just what the public releases claimed - a high-priority homeland security training exercise to boost interoperability of various components and hone skills. But it's tough to believe that, say, the Coast Guard or the Boston Police learned anything terribly useful from participating as classified, high-tech helicopters inserted special operators into an abandoned building. That's just not a situation with which they're going to be dealing.
It's far more likely that this was part of the training and pre-deployment re-certification schedule of one or more units within the special operations community. It looks like they've hosted similar exercises in the past year in, among other places, Miami and San Antonio. If you were targeting homeland security and working on cooperation with vital agencies, you'd be much better off running the first exercises in New York and Washington. (San Antonio? Really?) But it's much tougher to keep a low profile in those cities. So what we're probably dealing with is a training exercise, intended to prepare special operators for deployment abroad into urban areas, run under the cover story of 'homeland security.'
And we should all be a little miffed about that. I don't like being lied to; I can't see what particular purpose it serves in this case. If it's urban assault training, don't tell us it's homeland security, even if it might theoretically someday serve that purpose. And there are risks here - the 160th SOAR(A) has had two fatal training accidents in the past two years, in which its aircraft crashed during maneuvers. Conducting exercises over densely-populated neighborhoods amplifies those risks. I certainly hope that they never lose a helicopter over and American city. But if they eventually do - and realistic training is inherently dangerous - the failure to ask questions before may come to seem a missed opportunity.
Right, questions should be answered
By deselby
Tue, 08/02/2011 - 12:38pm
First, helicopters crash. A lot.
Even a helicopter on the Bin Laden raid crashed:
Read more http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/08/08/1108...
The other point is that a free citizenry should not become accustomed to nighttime helicopter raids in their towns, even if they are exercises, where no questions are answered, no notice given. I suppose it's part of "Homeland Security" to operate in this way. Does it make you feel secure?
not classified or high-tech
By anon
Tue, 08/02/2011 - 5:40pm
I saw the helicopter leave - it looked pretty much like your average Bell Ranger helicopter or something close to it. Not even painted in any sort of camo - it had a mostly white underbelly and some green and blue graphics, I think.
Any time a government unit says "we like to be really secret" and then proceeds to tell you all about it, what they're really doing is a combination of self-aggrandizing and Security Theater.
Most military deaths happen in training, and most of those are aircraft related. At the heights they were at, the pilot had no hope of autorotation. If they want to do training exercises, they can do it where, if they crash, they won't set a city block on fire and kill dozens of people.