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Oh hell no
Boston's social scene is already limited enough, if you're used to a place like New York. The last thing we need is a policy that limits it even more. How about actually going in the opposite direction and getting the T to run 24/7?
OK, but...
Compared to NYC, almost everywhere has a limited social scene. Not exactly a revelation there.
that's no excuse
Just because most places don't have late night options doesn't mean Boston shouldn't, either.
Locals who are old enough can tell you about when the trains actually ran 24/7. It used to be a more happening place than it is now. Let's gain another edge over other cities and issue some all night/later than 2am licenses.
It isn't the hours of operation that causes the bad incidents. It's individuals who need to be punished individually. Further, you solve a lot of problems if you allow people to trickle out of places as they get tired rather than forcing them all out in their full-drunk at 2am. Herding people out of bars and clubs all at once is never a good idea. In fact, making closing time earlier may only make things worse!!
Yeah
We need more round-the-clock drunks.
And by that logic, seatbelts cause accidents.
People who have addictions and whose addictive behavior involves being drunk around the clock are going to find a way to have a constant supply. People who are that far out of it also don't have much ability to regulate where they're drinking or peeing or who they're bothering, and regulations don't tend to affect these folks much.
But this isn't the case with most people. Most people just want to go out to a club, have a good time, get home safely, and want to respect the community thoughout the process. I'd much rather have people partying in a known location with fire marshal visits and trained bartenders and an appropriate number of bouncers. And in a building that's soundproofed and/or in an area zoned for noise and people coming and going.
And since people are going to get drunk anyway, I'd rather that they have public transportation to get home than be driving.
Also, drunk people aren't the only ones who'd appreciate public transportation all night. A lot of factory and airport workers need to be at work at 4 or 5 am. A lot of healthcare folks often stay past when the T runs, or have to be at work at 6 all the way across town.
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How About
How about focusing on breaking up the party's in neighborhoods with more crime (and more guns), while leaving stupid college kids and 20's something’s alone?
Oh wait, that be more work and involve confronting people with guns...
I seriously had a noise complaint called on me in the Back bay when I was in my apartment listening to music with 4 friends at respectable levels, even if at 2am.
Meanwhile it sounds like the cops overlook all night ragers in Dorchester and Roxbury..
really?
sounds like one side of a two sided story. As my father always told me, there are three sides to every story, the third being the truth.
Telling Menino what he can do with his party ban
Juniper Pearl plays George Bailey to Menino's Mr. Potter.
Leave our parties alone
Twice a year, I go to a party near Codman Square in Dorchester, a party attended by lots of other nerds, geeks, SF fans, gamers, SCAdians and the like. The parties run quite late into the night -- overnight, in fact. None of us would be happy if the Boston Police stormed in at 1 am and made us all disperse.
Quoting the Globe:
"It's crazy. It's nuts," Mayor Thomas Menino told the Boston Globe. "We know all those parties bring bad events in our city. They always end up in some kind of violence."
Okay, Tommy needs to give a better definition of what those crazy, nutty, late night parties are (and how the hell does he know? He has NEVER accepted an invite to one of my all night keggers in Brighton).
The ones where innocent people get murdered at the end of the night? Sure, I'm all for that ban. A few kids having beers after the bars close (even if they do pee on the side of my house, those rascals)? I think I'd rather see the police spend their time on other matters, such as what happened to my garden gnomes last spring (those rascals again!).
Punish individuals, not whole groups.
Some college students (and other adults) are perfectly capable of having a party without disturbing their neighborhood, wreaking havoc, damaging property, or shooting people. I see no reason to punish those people with a blanket law.
However, having lived next to what my neighbors and I 'fondly' (not!) referred to as the Tufts Frat Boy Party House for too many years, I'm 100% behind shutting down parties that ARE disturbing the neighbors after 10pm.
Of course, this means the *community* actually getting INVOLVED and not just sitting on their collective asses waiting for City Hall to take care of everything for them by punishing the innocent with the guilty in one fell swoop.
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Agreed
How exactly would this be defined/enforced? Citing people for noise is pretty easy even without taking a reading; if it's loud enough to be clearly audible in another person's residence, they're breaking the law (Boston law states that it has to be over 50dB in another residence -- 50dB is about the volume of an air conditioner or quiet speech).
And despite the BPD's opinion that noise complaints are only a nuisance and not an issue worth their time, excessive noise can be really harmful to people's mental health and can increase crime by creating the image that it's a place where people don't care about their neighborhood ("broken window" theory, etc.)
But aside from noise, how do you define what a party is? Number of people? Does this mean that a slumber party of 10 or 12 kids quietly watching a movie or talking becomes illegal at 11pm or midnight or whenever? Or a group of adults quietly staying up to study or work or fundraise or pray or whatever? None of this is disturbing anyone.
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legal issues
A city can pass and enforce noise ordances, but I'm pretty sure that a city can not tell adults who they can have in their domiciles and at what hours. I believe that extends way beyond their legal bounds. On the other hand, if one has 20 people over and the neighbors don't hear a peep, the city will never know about it in the first place. So, how exactly would they enforce it?
I'd love to see a civil-liberties-type convention in Boston where they tear apart the laws here.
We still have some old blue-laws to get rid of. More?!!? That's crazy-talk - trying to scare landlords and schools and whatnot into submission.
Then as the other comment states, it's just a form of mass punishment (pun intendend) that punishes the greater good for the deeds of a few bad apples. They told us not to do that in teacher-school.
I just recently moved out of Boston to the North Shore. Just in time, I think.
Maybe we should ban shootings at late-night parties
or at least peer pressure our neighbors into not shooting at late night parties.
Then it wouldn't be an issue that the mayor would have to comment on.
First Amendment, Anyone?
I realize the Boston cops have a longstanding issue with this one, being that "they aren't lawyers and can't be expected to know the law" when three people they don't like are holding signs. If they think this constitutes an "illegal rally" in their small minds, I'd hate to see what they define as a party.
I think there could be said to be a right to party, however, in that it is difficult to define a party versus an assembly of citizens. Of course, if other laws are broken, dispersal is warrented - but this is currently the case now. Somehow, I don't think outlawing freedom of assembly amok the constitution is going to do diddlysquat for late night raves.
Legal Precedent
I'm pretty sure that in the case of Horovitz, Yauch and Diamond v. New York (1986) the Supreme Court affirmed the lower court's decision that the plaintiffs did indeed have to fight for their right to party.
However...
...if you examine the cited case law clearly, you'll see that the issue was not merely "partying," as it is not an illegal activity per se; rather, the offender was cited for other activities including pornography, noise, and truancy.
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Enforceable?
I'm with Eeka. How would this be enforced? If parties are being LOUD, then that's a noise violation and enough grounds to break up the party...but otherwise???? Are they saying Boston residents would have to tattle on neighbors, etc?
Could Mumbles get these damn
Could Mumbles get these damn kids off my lawn while he's at it?
Party Patrol
The Boston Police district where I live already have a system in place that could be and should be extended year-round in neighborhoods that are impacted most by gun violence: the Party Line (see http://www.dotnews.com/partyline.html) is a targeted way for neighbors to help police their own streets using a dedicated phone no. and police responders who are on overtime.
Calls for the program to be expanded in scope and duration have not yet resulted in any action, despite several other violent incidents. We shouldnt have to wait for the summer to have a tool like this. We had one man killed outside a party here over Thanksgiving and another on New Years Day.
there is a statute that is
there is a statute that is frequently enforced for loud and disruptive parties - "Keeper of a Disorderly House". the person responsible for "running" a loud and disruptive party is often arrested and prosecuted under that statute. by the way swirly girl, where are you attributing
"they aren't lawyers and can't be expected to know the law"?
Mayor Menino needs a young-adult advisory committee
like the one that Somerville Mayor Joe Curtatone is now setting up. If he had such a committee, and listened to it, he wouldn't propose stupid ideas like this one.
He has one
One in 3 Boston.
more silliness
Seems like our policing resources could be better spent elsewhere.
Late Night Parties
Thats not the answer
Clearly the majority of
Clearly the majority of these areas in Boston cannot party responsibly (evident by the violence that these late parties bring and the many people that have been killed or injured as a result), so they NEED to be restircted until they learn to do so.
Banning late-night parties is certainly not the answer,
and a late-night noise ordinance can be tough to enforce at times. However, there are two things that can be done:
A) Legislators/lawmakers, etc can enact stronger gun control laws, since the presence of guns tends to exacerbate already tense, volatile situations.
B) Hosts/hostesses themselves who give parties in their homes/apartments, or wherever, can be responsible for either not serving alcohol or limiting the amount of alcohol that's served at parties, shut off drinkers who've had too much, booting real troublemakers out the door, and seeing to it that a really intoxicated person doesn't drive home drunk.
C) Extending the public transportation hours through the wee hours of the morning (i. e. between 1-4 a. m.) will make it so that drunk partygoers won't have to drive home and possibly maim/kill themselves or others in a car crash.