Anyone listen to the WEEI Morning Drive team today? I'd love to hear if they approached this, and if they did, how juvenile they got? 10 bucks says Gerry took a long hot shower, in case he accidentally caught gay or even AIDS from Buckley.
They are friends with Buckley and were very supportive. There were some callers who questioned how Callahan (the anti-gay monster) could be so supportive since he was so "anti-gay". Callahan basically stated he jokes about gays all the time but was not "anti-gay".
Oh, I'm not against gays or anything, I just like to make jokes at their expense all the time on my popular radio show. Maybe this will help Callahan realize that his jokes are one of the reasons people like Buck feel they have to keep their sexuality a secret.
It had to be especially tough for someone working in sports (only one male athlete from the four major sports has come out - John Amaechi - and that was years after his NBA career ended). And despite our gay marriage legalization I still think Boston is a tough place to be gay -- I'm in my 20s and when I grew up we all threw around "gay" and "faggot" as insults before we even know what they meant. Nobody in my high school came out, and it wasn't until college that I broke the habit.
I think there's still an older generation that hasn't come around, and Callahan could make a difference by apologizing to Buck and laying off the gay jokes.
John Amaechi isn't the only one. Former MLB utilityman Billy Bean (not to be confused with the A's GM) also came out a couple of years ago and wrote a book about it.
Former NFL defensive lineman Esera Tuaolo came out as well.
I caught most of the 8:00 hour. They were totally supportive and seemed to be expecting a call from Buck, but I don't think that happened by the time they did their weekly Doc Rivers interview.
We now return you to your liberal fantasies, already in progress.
I found D&C to be rather human this morning!!
Not sure where i weigh in on it but Callahan talked making jokes about Drunken Irish Guys or Cheap Jewish people...he said making fun at gays in this manner is ok, but the vicious stuff isn't. Lots of muttering about "locker room" humor.
Perhaps we was trying to say that common stereo types are OK to mock?
Don't yell at me...not my opinion, just saying this is what I thought he was trying to say...not sure if its a cop out or his human side!!
He went on about how he didn't think Buckley would encounter much prejudice, when all you have to do is read the comments under most Callahan Herald columns to realize the world is still full of homophobes. Of course, Gerry himself has long been a sneering gay-hater on the show, never misses a chance to work in some nasty slurs when Barney Frank is the topic. And that's in liberal Boston: they're less shameless about it in other parts of the country.
One item mentioned in the story is TRULY shocking: somebody actually EDITS the Chicopee Herald! How did that story about Howie's liposuction make the front page?
1. Because of the subject he's writing about and a macho culture that pushes homosexuality to the fringes.
2. Because of the publication he's reporting that subject for. If he was writing for the Globe, there may be less surprise. But as a writer for the conservative Hewald... I'm sorry... Herald, he takes a much bigger chance of losing his readership.
3. Because, and this has been passed around the industry for years, he was on the receiving end of slurs about his sexuality from two now-former members of one of the home teams. Fortunately, the team's GM was within earshot and sent both -- including a once-franchise player -- packing. That was several years ago, but it was an example of how the people surrounding him made his sexuality an issue long before he did.
two now-former members of one of the home teams. Fortunately, the team's GM was within earshot and sent both -- including a once-franchise player -- packing
What, we can't out these former players? I'm intrigued now. Do tell us whom; we don't need to keep their identity secret, I think.
The simple answer is that casual homophobia is everywhere in American society, and it's particularly rife in the world of sports. Maybe it's due to homoerotic anxiety caused by all that time spent in locker rooms, showers, and the close contact of physical sports, but fag jokes and general gay-bashing are a staple of the environment, a constant background hum. If you've played sports at any level beyond grade school, I think you're likely to look at Buckley's story and think, "Yeah, that took some courage. He's going to take some grief for that forever, to his face or behind his back."
He is a good guy and people like him. I see what you are saying about the behind the back the back stuff though. There will be a few jokes at his expense.
I was going to ask Courageous Anon up there why he's hiding his own sexuality -- is it shame, perhaps a reluctance to invoke the judgment of other anonymous commenters?
What's that? You're open about digging the opposite sex? Fine, to each his own, but just keep quiet about it and stop waving it in everyone's face.
And if you can get beyond your squeamishness for two minutes, try reading the column, which directly addresses your question.
If writing is an art, Buckley's admission is most valuable in crushing the long held stereotype that all gays excel in the arts. I sincerely hope that with this burden lifted, his writing and radio work will be more focused.
This is such a non story. Making a bigger deal out of this than is worth it. I'm gay and really tired of people making such a big deal about this. I have straight friends and we make fun of each other, hang out, play sports, drink beers, etc. All guy stuff. They could care less that I'm gay. Most people don't care about other people's private lives anyway but for some reason a guy like Buckley makes this about him. Stupid.
In my experience and observation, coming out can be a lengthy and challenging process. If you made it to full self-acceptance and social integration without a struggle, good for you. Most of us aren't so lucky. Buckley did what he needed to do in his world. That's the way it goes.
Fenway guy...go cry somewhere else and stop making excuses. If you just be yourself and stop being so pissed off all the time that you are somehow owed something you'll be better off. Most people could care less if someone is gay.
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Dennis and KKKallahan
By The Beer Guy
Thu, 01/06/2011 - 10:57am
Anyone listen to the WEEI Morning Drive team today? I'd love to hear if they approached this, and if they did, how juvenile they got? 10 bucks says Gerry took a long hot shower, in case he accidentally caught gay or even AIDS from Buckley.
I heard some of it.
By Pete Nice
Thu, 01/06/2011 - 11:06am
They are friends with Buckley and were very supportive. There were some callers who questioned how Callahan (the anti-gay monster) could be so supportive since he was so "anti-gay". Callahan basically stated he jokes about gays all the time but was not "anti-gay".
Nice reasoning
By spenser
Thu, 01/06/2011 - 11:42am
Oh, I'm not against gays or anything, I just like to make jokes at their expense all the time on my popular radio show. Maybe this will help Callahan realize that his jokes are one of the reasons people like Buck feel they have to keep their sexuality a secret.
It had to be especially tough for someone working in sports (only one male athlete from the four major sports has come out - John Amaechi - and that was years after his NBA career ended). And despite our gay marriage legalization I still think Boston is a tough place to be gay -- I'm in my 20s and when I grew up we all threw around "gay" and "faggot" as insults before we even know what they meant. Nobody in my high school came out, and it wasn't until college that I broke the habit.
I think there's still an older generation that hasn't come around, and Callahan could make a difference by apologizing to Buck and laying off the gay jokes.
NFL Out
By R Hookup
Thu, 01/06/2011 - 3:12pm
Actually, former NFL player, Esera Tuaolo, has come out:
http://www.guilfordian.com/2.3196/former-nfl-playe...
as well as David Kopay and Roy Simmons.
Glenn Burke of the Dodgers was also out: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2...
Gay athletes
By Will LaTulippe
Thu, 01/06/2011 - 3:22pm
John Amaechi isn't the only one. Former MLB utilityman Billy Bean (not to be confused with the A's GM) also came out a couple of years ago and wrote a book about it.
Former NFL defensive lineman Esera Tuaolo came out as well.
Yes
By Dave
Thu, 01/06/2011 - 11:09am
I caught most of the 8:00 hour. They were totally supportive and seemed to be expecting a call from Buck, but I don't think that happened by the time they did their weekly Doc Rivers interview.
We now return you to your liberal fantasies, already in progress.
RE:yes
By rachl
Thu, 01/06/2011 - 12:13pm
I found D&C to be rather human this morning!!
Not sure where i weigh in on it but Callahan talked making jokes about Drunken Irish Guys or Cheap Jewish people...he said making fun at gays in this manner is ok, but the vicious stuff isn't. Lots of muttering about "locker room" humor.
Perhaps we was trying to say that common stereo types are OK to mock?
Don't yell at me...not my opinion, just saying this is what I thought he was trying to say...not sure if its a cop out or his human side!!
Yeah, and everyone in the
By anon
Thu, 01/06/2011 - 3:59pm
Yeah, and everyone in the business in town already knew. And it was no big deal to them.
It was a big deal to at least one guy...
By Uhh....
Thu, 01/06/2011 - 9:52pm
who was essential to turning a double play. I get pissed off every time I see his ugly ass getting kissed by the "Nation."
Well, um, maybe most of us
By HenryAlan
Fri, 01/07/2011 - 12:27pm
Well, um, maybe most of us don't know what you're talking about?
Callahan was his typical hypocritical self
By MC Slim JB
Thu, 01/06/2011 - 12:20pm
He went on about how he didn't think Buckley would encounter much prejudice, when all you have to do is read the comments under most Callahan Herald columns to realize the world is still full of homophobes. Of course, Gerry himself has long been a sneering gay-hater on the show, never misses a chance to work in some nasty slurs when Barney Frank is the topic. And that's in liberal Boston: they're less shameless about it in other parts of the country.
Suprisingly enough..
By Brian Riccio
Thu, 01/06/2011 - 1:18pm
most of the comments on this story in the Herald have been uncharacteristically positive.
Good-
By Rockne
Thu, 01/06/2011 - 1:16pm
-for him. I can't imagine that's easy at all and it must've taken a lot of courage.
One Item In Story TRULY Shocking
By laurence_glavin
Thu, 01/06/2011 - 2:10pm
One item mentioned in the story is TRULY shocking: somebody actually EDITS the Chicopee Herald! How did that story about Howie's liposuction make the front page?
Who cares
By anon
Thu, 01/06/2011 - 1:44pm
Who cares that he is gay? Really. Why does a sport writer write a column about being gay?
Two reasons
By JPSouth
Thu, 01/06/2011 - 3:29pm
1. Because of the subject he's writing about and a macho culture that pushes homosexuality to the fringes.
2. Because of the publication he's reporting that subject for. If he was writing for the Globe, there may be less surprise. But as a writer for the conservative Hewald... I'm sorry... Herald, he takes a much bigger chance of losing his readership.
3. Because, and this has been passed around the industry for years, he was on the receiving end of slurs about his sexuality from two now-former members of one of the home teams. Fortunately, the team's GM was within earshot and sent both -- including a once-franchise player -- packing. That was several years ago, but it was an example of how the people surrounding him made his sexuality an issue long before he did.
two now-former members of one
By benos
Fri, 01/07/2011 - 9:22am
What, we can't out these former players? I'm intrigued now. Do tell us whom; we don't need to keep their identity secret, I think.
Dennis & Callahan thought it was important enough to cover
By MC Slim JB
Thu, 01/06/2011 - 3:54pm
...for half an hour on their show today.
The simple answer is that casual homophobia is everywhere in American society, and it's particularly rife in the world of sports. Maybe it's due to homoerotic anxiety caused by all that time spent in locker rooms, showers, and the close contact of physical sports, but fag jokes and general gay-bashing are a staple of the environment, a constant background hum. If you've played sports at any level beyond grade school, I think you're likely to look at Buckley's story and think, "Yeah, that took some courage. He's going to take some grief for that forever, to his face or behind his back."
I don't think he will take any grief
By Pete Nice
Thu, 01/06/2011 - 3:57pm
He is a good guy and people like him. I see what you are saying about the behind the back the back stuff though. There will be a few jokes at his expense.
Buck
By Too lazy to login
Thu, 01/06/2011 - 5:34pm
There's no crying in Old Time Baseball.
Did D and C REALLY compare themselves to Anne Frank?
By The Beer Guy
Mon, 01/10/2011 - 1:56pm
Also, if this is true, can someone let them know that she lived in the Netherlands?
http://www.bostonsportsmedia.com/2011/01/celtics-h...
Good answers
By fenwayguy
Thu, 01/06/2011 - 4:45pm
I was going to ask Courageous Anon up there why he's hiding his own sexuality -- is it shame, perhaps a reluctance to invoke the judgment of other anonymous commenters?
What's that? You're open about digging the opposite sex? Fine, to each his own, but just keep quiet about it and stop waving it in everyone's face.
And if you can get beyond your squeamishness for two minutes, try reading the column, which directly addresses your question.
Buckley proves that not all gays excel in the arts
By O-FISH-L
Fri, 01/07/2011 - 4:43am
If writing is an art, Buckley's admission is most valuable in crushing the long held stereotype that all gays excel in the arts. I sincerely hope that with this burden lifted, his writing and radio work will be more focused.
Always PC
By theguyparis
Fri, 01/07/2011 - 5:10pm
This is such a non story. Making a bigger deal out of this than is worth it. I'm gay and really tired of people making such a big deal about this. I have straight friends and we make fun of each other, hang out, play sports, drink beers, etc. All guy stuff. They could care less that I'm gay. Most people don't care about other people's private lives anyway but for some reason a guy like Buckley makes this about him. Stupid.
"Most people don't care about other people's private lives"
By Sigh
Fri, 01/07/2011 - 9:02pm
New to America, are we?
Coming out is a big deal
By fenwayguy
Sun, 01/09/2011 - 12:31am
In my experience and observation, coming out can be a lengthy and challenging process. If you made it to full self-acceptance and social integration without a struggle, good for you. Most of us aren't so lucky. Buckley did what he needed to do in his world. That's the way it goes.
Hey
By theguyparis
Mon, 01/10/2011 - 10:10pm
Fenway guy...go cry somewhere else and stop making excuses. If you just be yourself and stop being so pissed off all the time that you are somehow owed something you'll be better off. Most people could care less if someone is gay.
Sure
By fenwayguy
Tue, 01/11/2011 - 2:25am
Whatever you say, pal.