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Holiday goers, grand-jury protesters to vie for space on Tremont Street tonight

The city plans to light the Nova Scotia Christmas tree on the Common at 7 tonight - the same time people protesting a New York grand jury's decision not to issue an indictment in the Eric Garner case plan to rally on the Common.

Boston Police plan to block traffic on Tremont Street between Boylston and Court streets around 6:45 p.m.

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Seems like a bad strategy to me to piss off people by interrupting their happy holiday festivities with a political protest concerning a non-local event.

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You know what would probably really piss off someone trying to enjoy a local holiday event? Getting killed by a cop who then doesn't even have to stand trial.

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If someone showed up at your Thanksgiving table and interrupted to protest famine on the other side of the world how would you take it?

I venture to say not well!

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If someone showed up at your Thanksgiving table and interrupted to protest famine on the other side of the world how would you take it?

If someone showed up at my thanksgiving table without my consent, he'd be trespassing. Terrible analogy, since what we're talking about here is a public space.

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While it's a tragedy what happened in NY and Ferguson, our boys and girls in blue do a pretty damned good job in my opinion. I think the Boston protesters should line up and shake the hand of every cop on duty tonight and thank them for a difficult job well done here at home. Instead of Boston being another city in a corner square video feed on the TV, we'd be national news of at least one department getting it right. Not saying there isn't always room for improvement - but stories like this are thankfully few and far between in Boston.

In the meantime, thanks to Pete, my good friend Tony and the others that do this very stressful job. Be safe tonight if you are out there. I know you'll be respectful - you always are.

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You don't pay much attention, the BPD was just accused of systematic racial profiling. http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2014/10/08/aclu-charges-boston-police-e...
Shaking the hand of BPD doesn't mean their problems don't exist, it just means you are hiding them.

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If so, then you don't pay much attention because the person who gathered the data called out the ACLU for misinterpreting it.

The study also found that black neighborhoods saw more FIOs than white neighborhoods, even after researchers controlled for crime rate, with each 1 percent increase in black residents bringing with it a 2.2 percent hike in FIOs.

“What is the conclusion?” said Anthony Braga, a professor at Harvard University and Rutgers University, who is one of the study’s two lead authors. “One is that, when we analyze the FIO activity of the Boston Police Department, we do find patterns that suggest racial disparities in the way it is being executed in neighborhoods. That said, we also see that the Boston Police Department is using FIOs in ways that you would expect given their crime control mission.”

In its analysis, the ACLU stated that of all the FIOs recorded, none led to arrest, and only 2.5 percent led to seizure of contraband.

But Braga said that interpretation is wrong. FIOs, he said, aren’t necessarily intended to lead to arrest, and the majority do not involve searches. When an FIO does turn up contraband or an arrestable offense, it is no longer considered an FIO.

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In this case I don't believe that the ACLU's numbers support their conclusions.

And I say this as someone who generally supports the ACLU and its mission.

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The issue is not, "do problems exist?" it's "Is the Boston Police Department, on the whole, a classy, professional organization that shows respect for the people it's supposed to be protecting?" I think the answer is a solid "Yes, especially compared with a lot of other departments."

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They pulled over mostly people of color because it just so happens they are pulling people over where the guns are and where homocides are occuring, which happens to be a neighborhood with mostly people of color. You can't complain about gun violence and unsolved homocides and then out of the other side of your mouth find fault when the police try to do something about it and scream racism. That gig needs to stop yesterday.- It's pathetic.

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I do not want to be pulled over unless I am committing a crime or EVERYONE else is also being pulled over with me. I don't care how bad the neighborhood is. Why should I get punished doubly. Live in a crummy neighbor and being harassed by police.

I doubt you would ever tolerate such treatment but you know you never have to worry about such a thing so you can propose it for others.

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In business we call it marketing. Politically correct twits call it profiling when they don't get the result they want.

The police are only responding to the description of suspects. Too often the suspect is Black. So if a black male robs a bank, should the police instead search for a Ukrainian babushka? Would that make you feel better? What a waste of time.

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Thank you Steven! I can't tell you how this much means to me. People like you are why I do this job.

- a BPD Officer

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But...but...we're the most racist city on Earth! It says right here on Gawker!

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They're not a magazine or whatever to be taken as gospel. Boston, with all its problems, both past and present, imho, is NOT any more racist than other cities here in the United States.

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I think your average person can differentiate between the police officers who do a good job and those who don't.

Then again, I guess to Victoria Snelgrove's parents, it's poor comfort.

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If you look at how the entire Victoria Snelgrove incident was handled, I would characterize the city's response as "let's get to the bottom of this and fix what's broken," rather than "let's stonewall."

Or, as my shop teacher said, "Everyone makes mistakes; the difference between beginners and pros is how you fix them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Victoria_Snelgrove

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I guess that's a better response than the one to the beating of Officer Michael Cox, which was exactly "let's stonewall!".

It's troubling to think that the officers involved in the beating are probably still with the police today

http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/magazine/articles/2009/06/21/the_blue_...

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Our officers are the real Heros. Not the protestors

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'' I think the Boston protesters should line up and shake the hand of every cop on duty tonight and thank them for a difficult job well done here at home. ''

Indeed, but they would never think of it.

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Mommy, why are all the white people who have never been to Roxbury yelling at the Mayor and Santa Claus?

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White people aren't allowed to care about the widespread perversion of the justice system. John Costello says so.

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who sing Kumbaya then go back to their lily white suburb to lecture others about the lives of Black people. Move into the city, send your kids to BPS, be a real neighbor and friend to people of all colors. You're then welcome to march anywhere at any time. Until then stfu.

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You seem to know a lot about the background and intentions of a large group of people you couldn't possibly have met, huh?

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indeed.

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Black lives matter, White lives matter, Asian lives matter, Martian lives matter. My problem is with all these nice white girls from Emerson tying up traffic when don't seem to march about the at least 100 black lives to be taken by non cops which will take place in this city over the course of their 4 year term at Purging Boston Accent Academy.

Please march down Blue Hill Avenue. Please march through Grove Hall at rush hour over the low but yet still staggering murder rate. Start there instead of reacting to actions in MO, NYC, and Cleveland.

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...at least 100 black lives to be taken by non cops

That's covered, As long as there are roadside monuments of teddy bears and 40 ouncers and facebook pages and bad poetry, everything is alright, yes? Those roadside monuments make it all okay. And the outrage industry also validates it.

One of daughter's acquaintances was killed this past summer. Shot. He happened to be black. The shooters, as described by witnesses, were as well. All under 25. Three of them, in a car, in a drive-by. These were neighborhood kids.

The cops worked their asses off to solve that case, and got nothing and nowhere. I know--I saw it every day where I live. Jesse and Deval and the Reverend Al never made an appearance. White girls from good colleges didn't chant slogans. But there was teddy bears and candles and blunts placed at the spot.

We can't stop our kids from killing each other. But we can put up a great roadside shrine, that's for sure.

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The whole point is to demonstrate in areas where white people will get the message that something major needs to be done about racism. Why does anyone need to demonstrate to people who live racism every day? You're missing the whole point.

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Because honey, the policemen went and killed someone needlessly and didn't get their legal or professional comeuppance, for the thousandth time.

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What are you more likely to see this Christmas, the real Santa or a cop get indicted for killing someone?

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race baiters like Al! To answer you question it would later....In SC nonetheless!

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/sc-cop-charged-murder-unarmed-man-sho...

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1 out of 100s? Congratulations, police brutality is over!

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I don't get why protesters are showing up at a little kids' holiday event. Kids are here to see Santa Claus and watch a Christmas tree get lit up. Please don't ruin it for them -- they've done nothing wrong. What a shame.

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You know what kid really had his Christmas ruined? That kid who got shot on a playground in Cleveland by a cop.

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Yeah so ruin a fun kids' Christmas event for all the other city kids? Okay, that makes sense. What an ignorant jerk.

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How do the presence of protestors "ruin" the event for the kids who attend?

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100s of kids all over the country have had their Christmas ruined by cops who killed their parents and never stood trial. Hope you enjoyed Jingle Bells. Who's the ignorant jerk again?

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Some of us don't have the luxury of pretending this doesn't happen and having our kids ignore it. You clearly aren't someone who has to have frequent talks with your kids about always keeping your hands in plain sight in stores, going straight to the counter with whatever you want to buy, never walking with a large group of teens, not cutting across other people's yards, if you are stopped for any reason talking as little as possible and being sure to say "yes ma'am" and "no ma'am," and understanding at far too young of an age that failing to learn these lessons can result in you being shot.

Some families have bigger issues to worry about than the aesthetics of a Christmas tree lighting. Try thinking beyond yourself.

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I strongly feel that interrupting festivities such as this tree lighting will do their cause more harm then promote good will. The history behind Nova Scotia gifting a tree to Boston, going on 100 years, is poignant and the event is meant to be joyous.

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describes the protesters best for insisting on holding their protest at the same time and place as the tree lighting. Is it arrogant, self-important, or immature? Or all of these?

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While I feel for Mr. Garner and his family, I think this in inappropriate and uncalled for. It didn't happen in Boston, and no amount of protesting here is going to make a difference, have your rally tomorrow night (don't want to waste a friday night rallying?), or in a different location. City Hall Plaza is free.

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So sorry if people's concerns over social justice and their ability to live normal lives without being murdered by police get in the way of your pwetty wittle Chwistmas Twee.

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Why don't you put away the histrionic self-riotousness for a second and realize these retarded antics (yes the Christmas protest AND your postings online) actually hurt your cause.

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histrionic self-riotousness

Wait, are you talking about people concerned about a serious widespread issue or the people complaining that their innocent children might have had a slight brush with reality?

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What is wrong about this protest is that it is so frivolous when compared to what has happened. Why don't the protestors try registering and voting and change some laws. Why not direct action at politicians. People are murdered and the response it to interrupt some kids singing carols at a tree lighting.
I bet the next thing the protestors do is boycott their local Starbucks.

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people who were there have done all of those things.

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This isn't a "local" protest about a "non-local" issue. Many black people in this country (and probably other minorities for that matter) are pretty pissed off and feeling desperate because they feel that law enforcement, and our laws surrounding use of force by law enforcement, are disproportionately using excessive force and killing them and their children. When you feel like you are raising your children in a place where they might be arrested, beaten or killed for doing something that a white person would be not be arrested, beaten or killed for doing, you get pretty upset, see. Saying, "why do they have to do this tonight?" is like someone saying in the 1960s "is it really necessary for these people to have all these protests and upset everyone now, won't things just get better over time?" The better question might be, is it such a good night for a tree lighting the same day we have a decision come down that might cause serious civil unrest here and around the country?

We are very fortunate that we have not had an incident like the one in NYC here in Boston in the recent past (I won't go back to the 1990s). Personally I think for the most part our police are better at the use of force than cops in other places. That said, if you don't recognize that this is an issue that is about to boil over, and probably trumps a Christmas tree lighting, wake up.

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Boston is not NYC. Boston is not Ferguson. BPD is not FPD and the people of Boston are the people of Boston.

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Boston is not NYC. Boston is not Ferguson. BPD is not FPD and the people of Boston are the people of Boston.

All true, but the militarization of police is a national issue.

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You're missing what this is about. These people aren't protesting the BPD, they are protesting this as a national issue. That is why the President is talking about it as are politicians and other leaders around the country. If they are protesting the BPD specifically, I personally think they are misguided. Assuming this will be a peaceful demonstration, a strong and wise response to this protest by BPD and the union would be an affirmation that in Boston we understand people's right to free speech, and that BPD is committed not to doing the kinds of very unfortunate things that have happened elsewhere, which I think is a true statement.

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Just because a few high-profile incidents happened in other cities does not mean that other cities are free from racism. I assure you, non-white people in Boston deal with racism every single day. Look, here we are discussing this on a site that is almost entirely white commenters, with a few exceptions. Where are the people of color? Well, look at all the racist comments with 50+ upvotes, and then wonder why anyone who isn't white would want to look at that? Here's some systemic racism right here for ya. People of color can and do head over to news sites that reflect and support their communities. But they can't put a sign on their car saying they choose to only get stopped by their own private police force. Or put a note on their BPS registration that they only want teachers who are culturally competent and truly believe in seeing Black kids as capable whole people. So this is why people in communities of color and white allies are demonstrating. Keep up the good fight, folks.

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I completely agree that this is a protest about the national problem of the way young black and brown people are looked on and treated in this country. I have less of a beef with the Boston Police. (Still, my brown-skinned son has been repeatedly harassed for no reason over the years.).

I'm heading to the protest to let my voice be added to those who see this as a nationwide issue that goes beyond Boston and the police. And one that limits the lives and opportunities of millions of American citizens.

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My question is how do you people continue to rationalize going into other countries and tell them to act a certain way.. meanwhile, you all PROUDLY do what those other countries do..

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Are you commenting from Finland? If not, you are part of You People just as much as I am.

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Protestors tried to drown out the two beautiful performances by black singers but their gorgeous voices soared above the angry chants.

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