Police warn Bostonians: No, you can't shoot a drone out of the sky
By adamg on Thu, 10/13/2016 - 10:06pm
I missed tonight's Brighton-Allston Improvement Association meeting (for another meeting at which I was fed pizza for free - by law, reporters cannot turn down meetings with free food). And that was a shame, because, a little birdie informs us, a concerned citizen reported a problem with a drone flying near the house and sought advice from the D-14 community service officer: Would it be OK to get a gun and shoot the drone down?
BPD after carefully reviewing the laws assured us.....you CANNOT shoot down a drone with a firearm in Boston.
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What about a longbow?
What about a longbow?
Nope. Federal crime.
Taking down a drone is considered, by the FAA, to be equivalent to taking down an aircraft. One of the 'side effects' of recent drone legislation; they're considered aircraft.
Sure.
I don't see a problem.
Federal crime
According to the FAA, drones are aircraft, and
So, no shooting, with guns, pellet guns, slingshots, garden hoses, frisbees, or anything else.
My suggestion is to enlist the local hawk population to police the skies. The Brits are apparently training eagles for the effort.
What about throwing rocks?
Depends
How good is your aim? Because it's "a felony to damage or destroy an aircraft." If you miss the drone, it isn't damaged or destroyed, so I suppose your throwing rocks is not a crime . . . unless it hits some other property that isn't yours.
Gun
Wondering if a pellet gun is considered a firearm.
Nope.
Not a firearm. But...not to be discharged across a public way.
No fire
but it is an arm.
At least they asked first
I mean, there are a lot of people who wouldn't and somebody could get hurt when buildings are close together.
I wonder if a slingshot would be sufficient?
In a vastly less densely populated area, my cousin did shoot a drone down. It belonged to a neighbor who liked to fly it over her property (several acres of orchard) and hover it off her bedroom balcony at times when she would likely be getting dressed.
Um, your cousin should
Um, your cousin should probably contact the police, if a neighbor is doing something like that willingly, who's to say he won't try to peek in himself next.
Her husband
He's a sheriff's deputy.
They don't have a lot of time for that in rural places.
Oh well..
at least they asked first!
More convoluted laws.
There did exist a section on the City of Boston website several years ago for slingshots and air pistols/rifles. It disappeared a while back. The only thing I can find now is this from an older Boston Municipal Code:
16-12.15 Throwing or Shooting on Streets.
No person shall, in any street, play ball, throw stones, snow balls, or other missiles, or shoot with or use a bow and arrow or sling.
(CBC 1975 Ord. T14 § 299) Penalty, see subsection 16-32.6
So, slingshots are not allowed in MA, unless they're used for a club's activities. This is still something anyone can find while going through MGLs. Two links:
https://malegislature.gov/Laws/GeneralLaws/PartIV/TitleI/Chapter269/Sect...
https://malegislature.gov/Laws/GeneralLaws/PartIV/TitleI/Chapter269
In short, don't go shooting anything out of the sky with any projectile. The laws will not treat you kindly...no matter how annoying those drones may be. (And they are annoying)
Garden hose
Got to be legal. Might even work.
Maybe not legal
Vandalism or destruction of property?
There might also be federal stuff, about interference with aircraft.
I hate drones, and anticipate that, besides the government and commercial invasiveness and annoyances, we'll also be overrun by a mix of peeping-tom perverts and self-absorbed millennials who never learned that some people respect their own privacy and that of others.
Street
The key word here is "street." You can do all these things in your back yard (and some of them in the park) if you wish. If the drone is in your back yard, have at it - as long as no projectiles fall outside your yard, or go over or into a street, you're good.
Now, an interesting question is whether a drone can be considered a missile. It certainly would resemble a missile if its communications were to be interrupted and it were to fall from the sky. If a drone can be considered a missile, then operating drones across a city street would be illegal.
Wait...
Wait...
Snowball fights are illegal on Boston city streets!?
What are you in for?
Snowballs.
And creatin a nuisance!
And creatin a nuisance!
And
they all came back, shook my hand, and we had a great time on the bench
"in any street"
but what if you do it somewhere other than in the middle of a street?
idk
get a pressure washer or something
Kid toy
I will try a water blaster.
Go Low Tech
Buy a super soaker
Buy a nerf gun also used to repel zombies
Buy a baseball
Pick up a rock
Go ahead
"make my day" and shoot my drown down. Not only will you have to deal with the local police but also the FAA now that they have to be registered because as they see it your shooting at an aircraft. If you take it down and it destroys someone's property or even worse hurts someone you are in deeper shit than it's worth!
If you see a someone flying in a dangerous way by all means call the police please! Jerks that do shit like this give the rest of us who fly by the rules a bad name.
I don't think it would make your day, Al
To spend five years in prison and be labeled as a sex offender for life. Any time you fly your drone near residences, this is what you are risking.
This from MA Chapter 272, section 105.
Anybody bathing a child in a bathtub has a reasonable expectation their private parts would not be visible to the public. Anybody flying a video drone within eyeshot of a bathroom window is violating this privacy.
So I'm going to say, folks, if a drone is flying near your windows, you taking it down will not be the biggest legal problem anyone faces that day. It will look like a minor issue after you call the police and explain that it was looking in on your naked children. When the owner comes looking, it's hi ho and away he goes.
For hobbyists, I'll say: keep it to the park. If you're hovering around someone else's back yard, you could be facing some very hard time.
I fly legally so I have no
I fly legally so I have no worries. Plus drones make so much noise unless your deaf there is no sneaking up on anyone.
My drone a Phantom P3 Pro as most hobbyist drones does not have a zoom function on the camera so peeping into someones windows even if one wanted to they would have to be next to the window to see anything.
If someone wanted to peep into someones window they would be better off using a DSLR with a zoom lens. No noise and you can be very far away.
I understand some people can be jerks but let's not lump the bad with those that fly by the rules. Thanks!
Drones are cool
And if you're flying them legally, you're not in my yard. Have fun!
This guy was saved by a drone
This guy was saved by a drone user. See we are not all bad. :)
http://petapixel.com/2016/10/12/drone-photo-helped-save-man-dog-flooded-...
yeah its posts like this
that really drive home how pointless that registry is to begin with
Registries
I think a lifelong registry might be overkill for the garden variety peeping tom or public urinator.
But the drone registry is a great idea. If you do, uh, find a drone in your yard, it should have an identifying number that can be traced back to the operator. If it doesn't, the operator isn't likely going to come looking for it, because fines and criminal penalties for non-registration are incredibly severe now, up to three years in jail and a quarter million dollars.
lets assume
i wasnt talking about registering the drones.
assumption
You are assuming all drones are equipped with photography or video recording equipment. Not all drones have cameras.
Sure it's basically impossible to tell with something that small at that distance, but that's where the police would come in.
Wow, right off the bat with
Wow, right off the bat with the kiddy porn argument? Why not mention the Nazis too?*
*godwinned
What ever you decide to do,
What ever you decide to do, just keep in mind the drone operator probably has it on video.
Are all Drones "Aircraft?"
Or just larger drones that are registered as such? I would also think that if you want to shoot one down because it is being operated in an unsafe or illegal manner, that the operator must have some liability. If they are operating an aircraft in an unsafe or illegal manner maybe it's best to call the authorities and have them deal with it. I'm sure the penalties must be stiff for that.
Recreational Drone Users
Recreational Drone Users
As of Dec. 21, 2015, the Federal Aviation Administration requires all owners of model aircraft, small unmanned aircraft or drones, or other RC aircraft weighing between 0.55 and 55 pounds to register online before taking to the skies.
The online registration system will require drone owners 13 years and older to submit their name, email and home address to receive a Certificate of Aircraft Registration/Proof of Ownership. This will include a unique identification number owners must affix to any drone they own and operate exclusively for recreation. Read about how to label your drone here.
To encourage users to register quickly, registration is free for the first 30 days but will cost $5 after Jan. 20, 2016.
Anyone who purchases a small UAS on or after Dec. 21, 2015, must register before flying outdoors. Small UAS owners who have operated their aircraft exclusively as a model aircraft prior to Dec. 21, 2015, will have until Feb. 19, 2016 to register.
Registration will be valid for three years. Once registered, owners will be able to access the registration website to update the information provided to register the aircraft as well as cancel registration as circumstances require (e.g., aircraft destruction, transfer, sale, change in owner eligibility to register).
Failure to register an aircraft can result in civil penalties up to $27,500. Criminal penalties for failure to register can include fines of up to $250,000 under 18 U.S.C. 3571 and/or imprisonment up to three years.
Source:http://knowbeforeyoufly.org/register-your-drone/
Love how the FAA's first example of
cancel(ling) registration as circumstances require is "due to aircraft destruction". Makes you wonder about the maturity and/or mindset of most drone operators.
Any drone over 0.55lbs must
Any drone over 0.55lbs must be registered with the FAA and is legally considered an aircraft, subject to all the rules and protections as such.
Anyone who destroys one by firearm, slingshot, rock, water or any other method will be subject to being charged with a felony.
As an operator and business owner here in Boston, I must say many of these comments, be they attempts at humor or not, are quite disconcerting.
For the record, if any of our lawfully operating drones are damaged or destroyed by a 3rd party we will file criminal charges, and make local and federal complaints.
Keep your toys in the park, David
You might end up in a mess you never get out of if you fly one around people's yards. Just be aware there are protections on both sides.
Remember, if your drones are lawfully operating, they are required to be in VLOS of the remote pilot, and may not operate over any persons not directly participating in the operation. That pretty much rules out legal operation of them in someone else's backyard.
That's probably why the FAA has never yet prosecuted an individual for shooting down a drone, though it's happened many times - none of the drones were being operated legally and thus did not have the protection afforded to legal drone operators.
Even in the park flyers get
Even in the park flyers get shit!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEKafiDxhCc
Can't we put some of the
Can't we put some of the surplus Canada Goose population to good use bird striking these things?
in 2025
instead of battles over parking spaces the headlines will read Boston Turns To Stone Age Technology To Battle Drone Menace
I don't have a drone yet, but
I don't have a drone yet, but I have a trashcan suspended from a weather balloon saving my place in the sky for it.
nice imagery
nice imagery
How about Golf.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dn_wcajaO4s
Overreach. This would never happen:
Jayyyyyy call the fkin cose gaaad
Isa flyin sausa. Shoot the fkin thin down Jayyyy!