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We've entered the Cone of Uncertainty for Dorian four days out
By adamg on Mon, 09/02/2019 - 11:55am
The latest Hurricane Dorian report from the National Hurricane Center, issued at 11 a.m., puts the Boston area on the edge of a map of possible hits on Friday. But even if that doesn't happen - and as we already know from the storm, it's particularly unpredictable, it still looks like we could get some heavy winds from it.
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JP Licks should sell this
You pay your $4 and you get a random set of ice cream scoops in your cone
We've left the cone stage
We've left the cone stage behind.
This looks much more like the "Cruller of Concern" (tm) (c) (patent pending)
The 12 year forecast beyond reproach, 3 day forecast uncertain
It's alarming that some of the same experts who can't nail the three day forecast are certain of the 12 year doomsday prediction for man-made
Global WarmingClimate Change. Anyskepticdenier will be ostracized from polite society.For those who insist that climate isn't weather, please tell the Globe and other far-left outlets. They have their weather folks pontificating on Climate Change constantly. Break out the credit card for retrofitting and elevating your homes as Obama and Gore bask in the beauty of their waterfront mega-mansions on both coasts. Armed with all kinds of inside information unavailable to the public, apparently the former President and VP are skeptical of the long range forecast too. Shelter in place.
You truly have a limited vocabulary, huh?
Think of the difference between, oh, a state trooper assigned to patrolling the turnpike and a state trooper assigned to the detective bureau. They both are similar in that they are both in policing, but their roles are completely different.
Forecasters trying to figure out where this storm might be heading are NOT climatologists. They both are similar in that they are both in weather, but their roles are completely different.
I could point you to links that explain the difference, but, really, what's the point? You're not going to read them.
There's no bright-line between meteorologists and climatologists
A state trooper assigned to homicide wouldn't be running radar on a daily basis but weathermen do climate all the time. The bright line distinction between weather and climate becomes rather grey when they feel like it. The meteorologist in your own post admitted Dorian is unpredictable. How then, is the 12 year forecast infallible? Worse, anyone daring to question that futuristic guesswork is reprehensible. As for the distinction between meteorology and climatology, tell them, not me. If weather isn't climate, perhaps climate news should be shifted to the business reporter (trillions in cash and mansions changing hands) or sports (more swimming and surfing opportunities) and not the weatherman who has only basic training and overlap on the topic.
Speaking of nature, each persons natural instincts should be piqued when men of esteem like President Obama and Vice President Gore, apparently of sound mind, decide to spend massively on waterfront mansions, despite what they have warned us. It is worth asking them if their very own predictions for coastal apocalypse are too incredible for even them to believe.
Like I said, waste of time ...
Yes, I have heard some weather forecasters talk about climate change. Occasionally.
I'm sure if I talked to a trooper doing radar duty about being a state trooper, he might talk about crimes that are legally considered more serious than speeding, but that doesn't make him a homicide investigator. It's about as bright a line as between a forecaster and a climatologist.
The difference between weather and climate is huge
And if I take one side to task for conflating the two, I’ll certainly take the other.
Weather is short term (days, maybe weeks, possibly months) while climate is long term. A more apt law enforcement comparison would be deciding manpower deployment day to day versus long term planning for a force.
There is no bright line
... in anything you have had to say here.
You don't understand the science - you just regurgitate what you want to believe.
Go watch the Sox and stay out of your depth, pops.
I know, those morons, right?
They can predict that the Patriots will make the playoffs but they can't tell me if they're going to cover the spread in Week Eleven or not. "Experts"
Also, how are you still reading the Globe? I seem to remember you mentioning you canceled your subscription about 43 different times
Globe invited us back for less than the price of a cup of coffee
Thanks for asking. The Globe invited all of us who canceled on the day of the fake Trump front page to please come back for $1. Although that amount is meaningless to both me and the Globe, it allows them to claim another "paid subscription." As the ad for Children International used to say, " for less than the price of a cup of coffee..."
Don't let that make you feel special
They offer that kind of discount to everyone who cancels for any reason.
Statistics isn’t that hard
I wouldn’t bet you a lot of money on the outcome of a single coin flip, but I will bet you as much as you want that 1000 coin flips will produce no more than 70% heads or 70% tails.
Short term weather has a lot of factors that make single days or even a whole season an outlier but the long term average trend can be forecast with high certainty.
sorry you wasted your time
trolls don't respond to any comment that points out the obvious flaws in their -- and i hesitate to use this word -- logic.
And you no doubt are a Trillionaire
Where did that comment come from???? -- the only thing that can be forecast with a high degree of certainty about the earth's climate is that there are warm times and there are cold times. While there are a number of significant semi-periodic events such as changes in the orbital eccentricity, variability in the Solar Cycle -- No one can predict with any degree of certainty the myriad of individual purely random events and which acting either independently or collaboratively can have dramatic effects on climate.
For example consider the Indonesian Volcano Tambora -- it erupted in a Giga Explosion in 1815 in the midst of an already low-activity phase of Sunspots [proxy for Solar Activity] called the Dalton Minimum [1780–1840] "DM"
Consider the observations of the effects of both on the Global and Regional Climates as discussed by
Anet, J. G., Muthers, S., Rozanov, E. V., Raible, C. C., Stenke, A., Shapiro, A. I., Brönnimann, S., Arfeuille, F., Brugnara, Y., Beer, J., Steinhilber, F., Schmutz, W., and Peter, T.:
in the Impact of solar versus volcanic activity variations on tropospheric temperatures and precipitation during the Dalton Minimum,
published in the the on-line EU journal Climate of the Past, 10, 921–938, https://doi.org/10.5194/cp-10-921-2014, 2014.
see *1 for the abstract if you are interested [and a link to the full paper if you really are interested]
and a popular-interest article on the explosive eruption of Mt. Tambora by Robert Evans in SMITHSONIAN MAGAZINE -- where he states:
As Anet, et al state in their Conclusion [my highlights in BOLD}:
Moral of the story -- Climate like weather is very complicated -- I wouldn't make bets on predictions
Refs:
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So you think you know better
So you think you know better than the experts? How delusional. Do you think you could beat Lebron at basketball too?
The Uncertain Cone of Uncertainty
"Cone of uncertainty" is one of those essentially meaningless phrases the weather people hit us with every once in a while to keep one step ahead of us. It's a relatively recent one. Before that they came up with "impact day". "Come of uncertainty" reminds me of the "cone of silence" from the old "Get Smart" TV series (I'm showing my age). And anybody who knows about the cone of silence knows that it never worked.
It works for me
It tells me enough to know that I should check back up in a few days and see if my vacation will be cancelled, which it would if my employer required me to report AND if this Dorian muthufucker shuts down Logan Armpit on Friday.
Get Smart
Yeah, That was the first thing I thought I heard "Cone of Silence". It did make me pay more attention to the forecast though.
Based on one of the other
Based on one of the other graphics at the NHC site, it looks like that might be an extra-tropical cyclone by the time it gets this far north. Which doesn't mean "nothing to worry about"--sustained winds of 70 miles an hour, gusting higher, is serious.
FYI
Sandy was an extratropical cyclone.
Note that Chantal spun into a named storm at a high latitude. There's heat up here. Lots of heat.
"Cone"
That's a penis.
Uh...
If that’s what you’re used to looking at I suggest seeing your doctor.
So
‘Schlong of Uncertainty?’
Mooseknuckle of Mayhem?
You never know how hard it will hit or how far it will go.
wrong image for the cone
That's not the "cone" map, that's the map of what areas will get tropical-storm force winds on what time scale. The cone is at https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at5+shtml/215101.shtml?cone
While people were distracted(tm) by Dorian
Fernand and Gabrielle have now formed. Fernand is harassing the coast of Mexico.
Meanwhile, a classic long-wave Cape Verde storm of the type known to shorten Long Island and barrel up the Connecticut or Narragansett is getting very short odds of developing into another major murderous spinning fucknugget.
A male dorknamed hurricane: Humberto. Humberto Humberto. If it's going to mess with us, let's hope it destroys everything that Ghislaine Maxwell owns and holds dear.
Fasten your seatbelts - this is going to be a bumpy ride.