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Maybe the new Orange Line cars should come with a roll of duct tape, because that stuff fixes everything
By adamg on Fri, 01/24/2020 - 2:02pm
Seat failure on a brand-new Orange Line car. The Globe reports the T is looking into it.
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This headline doesn't rhyme
I'm disappointed
Got a lot on my plate; that train wasn't late
I only do rhymes for late trains, but since you asked:
Reviews on new Orange Line cars mixed; already a seat needs to be fixed
at this rate, the trains will
at this rate, the trains will never be fully functional!
well
Well when you buy the lowest price crap .. you get what you pay for.
I feared the quality on these cars would be piss poor because its chinese made. Ya sorry, I've never had anything quality made in china that lasts. Its quickly, poorly made products.
Nice to know expensive subway cars aren't exempt.
Should we take bets to see when this fleet will need to be replaced. I think we're about to see another Boeing-Vertol car being scrapped long before its end of life.
I'm thinkin I give it until 2024 before we need new cars.. maybe sooner.
The seats come from the
The seats come from the Freedman Seating company in Chicago.
The bolsters that had to be repaired come from the Bradken Company of St. Joseph
The door components that failed came from Vapor, a Wabtec Company
And who manages the
And who manages the subcontracts with these companies?
Not everything made in China is garbage
I have an 8 year old Mac that still runs like new. Designed in California, Assembled in China.
It's so easy to blame things that fall apart for where they / their parts are manufactured.
I grew up in a family that always drove Japanese cars because you can drive them 200k-400k miles before the wheels fall off. We always felt bad for friends with American cars (made in Detroit!) who's cars were falling apart after 20k miles, and would die by 80k. There's a reason why people joke that Ford means "Fix Or Repair Daily".
It's really more the quality of the manufacturer. Some places in China make great stuff. Some make junk. We'll have to see how CCRC holds up and if the MBTA actually did any sort of a job vetting them. I've heard the subways in Beijing are great, and CRRC makes all that stuff. Then again, maybe we're getting the rejects...
Yeah you are right
Apple and most computer manufacturers have rigid standards on how things are suppose to be made and assembled. its for quality control. But most of these are US COMPANIES who request this. Not Chinese, so my argument stands.
I would have hoped the CRCC and MBTA/MassDOT would have had the same but we all know the MBTA does not do procurement well.
Until I see differently, my opinion of chinese made products stand. Especially by companies based in China.
PS - The Japanese are very different. I don't believe their stuff is garbage, and in many ways its far superior to any US-made product. Cars, Home electronics, anything made in Japan has always been decent.
Have you been to China?
They have no problem making very high quality stuff.
It's unclear why this seat broke. Was it bad design? Faulty assembly? Bad components?
It's conceivable a big part of the problem is the stupid requirement that they build a factory in Springfield, MA which is going to be staffed by people who have never built subway cars before and presumably without many of the resources they'd have at the larger factories in China.
There is a toxic soup of the MBTA's generally bad management, the FRA which hates public transportation, and procurement requirements which are less about quality and more about job creation.
Nope
Nope, I tend not to go to communist state that perform human rights violations daily.
"Quality" is relative. Of course at home they make the good stuff, we get the garbage.
I'll renew my opening statement.. "When you buy the cheapest thing, you get what you pay for" . And it's the g-d truth.
Sort of like walking into
Sort of like walking into Macy's. Nothing but a sea of synthetic fabric cheaply made in China.
NYC is dealing with Canadian traincar duds
Are you going to claim that all Canadian manufacturing is junk too? Vehicle duds come from everywhere. France, Japan, China, Switzerland, Canada, etc. Your knee-jerk reaction theories are always shallow. And you claim to be a transit advocate? SMH
Assembled in Springfield
And who knows where the seats (or the bolts for them) are sourced. Lots of rumors of kids jumping up and down on them, too - or maybe the Chinese engineer's didn't account for the larger than average American. Either way - things like this happen during acceptance testing on every order, its normal.
Not Normal. Wear Pad, Door, Button, and Seats Issues To Date
One or two defects over the course of 6 months would be considered normal. Four major defects over 2 months is not normal. The current T leadership, Pollack & Poftak, didn't know what to look for and what to ask for. This is turning into a major crisis
You ain't kidding
At least 75% of minor household problems can be fixed with duct tape or crazy glue.
Or
WD-40.
Obligatory
They don't make stuff like
They don't make stuff like they used to!!!
Today
on Handyman's Corner ...
No
duct tape is only used for red and green lines
Duct tape has been used to patch
rust holes on the older Orange Line cars as well.
Racism at work on broken MBTA seat issue?
How do we know it wasn't vandalism, which afflicts all T equipment regardless of national origin? The latent racism, "Chinese junk etc..." is often from the same people who push a purity test for others here. Pot? Kettle?
How do we know
how do we know you're a moron.
You keep posting....
Vandalism on the T
Happens on a daily basis, Graffiti, kicking out train windows, smashing fare gates, destroying bus shelters is a problem the MBTA doesn't want to talk about. It is much easier and racist to blame the Chinese for these issues that the MBTA wants to ignore.