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T cups at Pride Parade
By adamg on Sat, 06/14/2008 - 9:27pm
Paul Kelleher attended the Pride Parade through the South End, Back Bay and downtown today, posts photos and reports the guy above was bedecked with the names of every single T stop.
BehindDarkEyes took a lot of photos (including one of a protester). So did Boston Steamer, Dan Bruno, ChaosReins and Rachel Gogan. Somebody snapped Mike Mennonno's photo.
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Look, it's Deval
and his wife and their openly gay daughter... Yay!
D'oh!
Should be "gal" above, though. I'm guessing from the type of costume that she's currently in drag and usually presents as male, but it's basic etiquette to refer to people in drag as their current gender, just as you would anyone. Use "he" and "him" and "guy" when the person is being Mark and use "she" and "her" and "gal" when the same person is being Sheena.
Questioning
Does strict PC necessarily apply to genderfuck?
When vestured in scarlet, does Cardinal Law prefer the address "Her Eminece"?
Is it always homophobic to call someone a "tired queen"?
And if I may, a nod to the less-flamboyant but just-as-gay contingent at yesterday's celebration:
Gay Pride blonde
Gay Pride rower
Gay Pride parental support
Gay Pride bystanders
Gay Massachusetts Pride!
what?
Well, "political correctness" is a term invented by the right wing to complain about being asked to address people respectfully. These folks complain about pressure to refer to everyone with a euphemism ("because of the damn liberals, I have to call short people 'vertically challenged'"), when this pressure really didn't exist until they started imagining it. Mainstream groups of people with disabilities, queer people, people of color, etc. or their allies have never asked that anyone use terms with "challenged" in them or any similar bullfuck. I don't ever ask that anyone be "politically correct," and I find most attempts to be patronizing and avoidant of the actual issues at hand. All most people ask is that folks be referred to using respectful terms. When power-hungry right-wingers can't bear to be respectful of preferred terminology, they start crying about "political correctness" and "thought policing," as if there were some consequence to their language choice beyond just people thinking they were uniformed (the first time they choose this language) or disrespectful (when it continues after being asked).
I don't think the cardinal is looking to present as female in that attire, so, no, I wouldn't suggest female pronouns, unless there's something I don't know about clerical etiquette.
Regardless, all of the literature I'm familiar with and trainings I've attended have taken the stance that we refer to someone using their current gender presentation -- without any assumptions as to whether it's temporary or permanent, or original or revised. I've yet to meet anyone who prefers that people use pronouns that differ from his/her current gender presentation, though if I were to meet such a person, I'd of course respect that wish.
Sorry
Sorry, I must disagree.
Gender is not a choice. If you are born with a penis you are a male, if you are born with a vagina, you are a female.
It doesn't matter what you say, the scientific definition is what defines male versus female.
Nice try.
Sorry John K, but ...
Scientific definitions of male versus female aren't as neat as you think. Your certainty in this dichotomy is not based in any current scientific understanding.
Do you know or have you heard of intersex persons? I'm not talking people who cross-dress here, either. I'm talking about people of indeterminate gender as nature made them.
People don't always have XY or XX chromosomes - there are a lot of variations on those themes born every day. There are also many people born with indeterminate or "intersex" genetalia that doesn't "match" your neat two category system.
What do you call a person with an XY chromosomes and a vagina? Google Maria Patino for the answer - or one answer. She was banned from international competition due to having XY chromosomes, but was reinstated due to her not being sensitive to her own testosterone due to a mutation.
What do you call a person with a penis and breasts and XXY chromosomal make up? Male or female?
What about Ewa Klobukowska, a sprinter who was disqualified and stripped of her medals in the 1964 olympics for having XXY chromosomes? After retiring early, she bore a child in 1968.
What do you call a person born with a vagina, but who turns out to have XY chromosomes and undescended testicles?
What about just one X chromosome? What about a phenotypic female with a beard and exceptional athletic ability due to sensitivity to her own testosterone? How about two X chromosomes and a fractional Y chromosome? Disjunctions?
There are genotypes and phenotypes, and the two don't always match up. You are obviously declaring certainty based on the phenotype. Then again, as in the case of our elite Spaniard, the genotype meant far less. In the case of our phenotypic female yet genotypic male with undescended testes ("Erika" Schinegger was an elite skiier), it was the genotype that mattered: with surgery and reconstruction, he was able to father children.
See also: Brazillian volleyball player/model Erika Coimbra (Genotype XY, androgen insensitive, born with male and female genitalia) and Judo Gold Medalist Edinanci Silva (XX genotype, born with (nonfunctional)male and female genitalia)
So my apologies John, if all this splendid reality is confusing. I'm sorry that the world refuses to conform to your neat categories.
It makes me so sad to see
It makes me so sad to see members of the LGB part of LGBTQetc. use words that come across as transphobic. Isn't there enough discrimination against anyone who's not part of the binary-gendered, other-sex-attracted paradigm without turning on each other?
Added to the demographics John Keith discriminates against...
So far we've got:
1. People who are homeless
2. Everyone in Roxbury
And now...
3. Transgendered and intersex people
What a shame ...
Oh, what a shame that you come to such conclusions.
I realize that the complex world we live in is just too confusing for you. You think you've got it all figured out, but really, you don't. You live in a very closed world.
My actions speaking louder than your words, so please don't pass judgment.
Some of my accomplishments:
* I raised $3,000 ($1,500 of which was my own) for Pine Street Inn, and then ran on their behalf, 2007 Boston Marathon;
* I raised $3,500 ($1,000 of which was my own) for Community Servings, and then ran on their behalf, 2008 Boston Marathon;
* I am a member of the Pine Street "Welcoming Committee" in support of their plans to open a transitional housing facility on Upton Street (please see my blog for posts I've written, as well as a letter and column I wrote for the South End News);
* I spent a year volunteering for BAGLY, in support of gay, lesbian, transgendered, bisexual, and questioning youth;
* I have raised thousands of dollars and donated thousands of dollars to such important charities as Community Research Initiative and Fenway Community Health Center, and give a scholarship each year to a graduate of my old high school, in my mother's name.
Again, the complexities of the issues of homelessness, etc., may exceed your comprehension. They certainly require a lot more than writing a paragraph or two whenever you feel like it.
(** I think the "Roxbury" discrimination she is talking about is because I said I went to Northeastern and that it bordered Mission Hill and the Fenway and the South End, without mentioning Roxbury. Yes, that means I'm discriminating.
HILARIOUS!
But, in her world, it is.
This was because the entire time the school has been open, it's never been considered a part of that community / neighborhood. Only over the past ten years has it made its way into Roxbury, by buying up properties on Columbus Ave and back toward Melnea Cass Blvd. A step that some in the neighborhood are against, fearing the effects of thousands of college students and higher rents / increased congestion.)
Try again
The same could be said of someone who believes there is only male and female, declares this to be "scientific fact" when it clearly is not, and ignores a half-century of contorted and failed scientific attempts to define said gender dichotomy in strict phenotypic and genotypic terms.
I do applaud your fundraising though. That is something I never could quite master.
Oh my
Oh, geez ... CVS called, your prescription is ready.
You're right
I'm embarrassed that I wrote the part about my fundraising. I know how it sounds.
Ms SwirlyGrrl, you are right, of course, in what you say. And, of course, what you say, I already know.
To answer your rhetorical question, I would call each of those people whatever he or she (or is it "they"?) would prefer.
My response about penis and vagina was really just me making a statement to annoy a couple of the people who visited this site - and I succeeded!
I liked how you responded to my comment by talking about what I said, by not criticizing me, personally, or calling me a name. So, I can be respectful in return.
Of course I know how to address a person, of course I know a lot about gender identities, etc. I have done a fair amount of research on it, and I know enough people personally to have learned a great deal about it.
The whole topic (or "issue", if you prefer) is fascinating, at times confusing, and, truly, "complex".
It reminds me of the time I was at a Museum of Fine Arts fundraiser (I donated money, ha ha!) and was having a simple conversation with a self-defined woman about the University of Massachusetts. I told her I remembered an issue when I was attending school where a group of women were demanding the signs on the "ladies' room doors be changed to "womyn" or at least "women" because of the connotation "lady" had. I mentioned it in conversation, but made no comment, one way or another.
Well, this quickly became an argument, then spiraled out of control. At one point I remember her demanding I apologize for being a gay man who had never dressed in drag, because I wasn't being supportive enough of my peers.
I like getting people's skirts up in a bunch, sometimes. Then, when they react, I don't like it, quite so much!
Great, just simply super
Now that you've proven your point, could you take this outside, like to your own site, so those of us who just want to look at photos of people in funny costumes can do so in peace without fear of stumbling into a minefield?
and if you're born with a
and if you're born with a penis, you should only want to put it in a vagina, and if you're born with a vagina, you should only want a penis put in it.
it doesn't matter what you say, the anatomical logic is what defines natural versus perverted.
(and if you can't figure out that your statement was as transphobic as this one is homophobic, then my sarcasm is lost.)
even if you made your statement tongue-in-cheek, people who don't know you aren't going to realize that, and if i were a trans person looking to buy a home, i'd have just crossed one possible source off my list.
And when a person develops
spontaneous craniointusception, what then? (other than mAss resistance having yet one more 'perversion' to describe in loving detail, despite their rampant practice of it)
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Have you seen their photos
Have you seen their photos and "scandalous report" of the Trans Pride parade in Northampton? For people who are so easily traumatized, they seem to have spent an awful lot of time taking lovingly crafted photos of strangers' nipples.
scandalous report? photos?
link?
But...
We were just trying to have a good time. Oh well.
Meanwhile, Ms T-Cups up there looks like she's ready to haul off and whup some ass. Must be a disgruntled Green Line driver going postal on Roger Berkowitz.
Happy Pride, everyone. (:O)
Thanks!
Thanks a lot for linking to our photos of the parade. I had an amazing time and it was really very empowering.
Happy Pride to All!