NPR reports the Entomological Society of America is looking to change the name of gypsy moths because the current name is "very hurtful to the Romani people."
The moths are an invasive species, originally imported from Europe in the 1860s by a French artist turned entomologist living in our very own Medford.
Etienne Leopold Trouvelot got it in his head the moths could produce silk rivaling that of the better known silkworms. He was wrong, some of the caterpillars that hatched from the eggs he had sent here escaped and now, every ten years or so, they erupt in a leaf-munching frenzy that denudes millions of trees.
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You're charming.
By StillFromDorchester
Tue, 07/13/2021 - 7:43pm
Keep it up.
Sadly,
By perruptor
Wed, 07/14/2021 - 8:20am
you're not.
I get that a lot
By Scratchie
Wed, 07/14/2021 - 2:18pm
I get that a lot.
okay
By berkleealum
Tue, 07/13/2021 - 7:58am
so how many Romani people have to say they don’t like it before you’re convinced? is it 1? 5? 50? 500? 1m? based on your comment history on this topic, i’m going to assume you know each and every Romani person on this planet, so maybe you can just let us know when each of them doesn’t like “gypsy†anymore.
Language changes
By DrewD
Mon, 07/12/2021 - 11:22am
Language naturally changes all of the time. It seems reasonable to change official names that have ethnic slurs in them to something that doesn't. In 100 years if that turns out to be offensive... they'll change it.
I do agree that sometimes people put too much weight on language instead of facing deeper problems, but this seems like a no brainer and it's always fun to come up with a new name for a bug. This is win win.
So sensitive…
By tblade
Mon, 07/12/2021 - 11:23am
…over renaming a moth. That comes around every 10 years. Who honestly gives a shit? God forbid we evolve as a society.
This reminds me of when my great-grandmother lamented “what’s the big deal?†when my mom would not let me use the same offensive term for Raisinettes as she did.
Some people
By eeka
Mon, 07/12/2021 - 11:34am
Really want to be able to freely use ethnic slurs. I wonder why that is.
Did you get upset last year
By brianjdamico
Mon, 07/12/2021 - 12:28pm
when Maine forced several islands to change their name?
https://apnews.com/article/225e20661f3d42f0a5129a5...
the moth's Latin name is 'Lymantria dispar dispar'
By ned (not verified)
Mon, 07/12/2021 - 12:19pm
why would an entomological society bother with renaming a species' nickname? they shouldn't recognize the 'gypsy moth' term to begin with.
Well, then
By perruptor
Mon, 07/12/2021 - 1:38pm
Dispar Moth seems fine.
I like that
By lbb
Tue, 07/13/2021 - 9:07am
It sounds kinda badass. DISPAR MOTH!
Entomologists never use
By brianjdamico
Mon, 07/12/2021 - 1:39pm
Entomologists never use common names?
I wondered the same thing
By DrewD
Mon, 07/12/2021 - 2:01pm
I wondered the same thing after typing "official name" in another post here despite knowing it isn't the scientific name.
In the announcement linked in the NPR story it says:
The list/DB can be found here. Since they do endorse certain common names, they are changing the common name that they endorse.
Will ask my Romanian friend
By anon (not verified)
Mon, 07/12/2021 - 1:42pm
Will ask my Romanian friend if she and her family are offended. Pretty sure I already know the answer. That would be no.
You do that
By adamg
Mon, 07/12/2021 - 2:29pm
Because Romani and Romanians are not the same groups of people.
Just sign me, grandson of a Romanian who was not a Romani.
I shall! Interesting that you
By anon (not verified)
Mon, 07/12/2021 - 5:13pm
I shall! Interesting that you presume know more than her parents and older sister about their own heritage, the three of them who were born in Romania!
Interesting that you have trouble with similar sounding names
By adamg
Tue, 07/13/2021 - 11:07pm
Do you also have Australian friends? It would be interesting to ask them if they are offended at being called Austrians.
Is this
By brianjdamico
Wed, 07/14/2021 - 5:40am
a double-down?
Oh boy
By lbb
Wed, 07/14/2021 - 9:48am
Your friend and their family may indeed be Romani -- Romani people live in all countries -- but that's not the same thing as being Romanian. Take the L.
offensive or not
By Ralph (not verified)
Mon, 07/12/2021 - 2:30pm
Some people look to the past and say "We can do better" others look to the past and hold on to it like a security blanket and want to be offended that the future means they need to evolve.
Let's agree to evolve, shall we?
How about
By anon (not verified)
Mon, 07/12/2021 - 3:08pm
Watertown moths?
Was Mothra consulted?
By anon (not verified)
Mon, 07/12/2021 - 4:26pm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mothra
Japanese Beetle, Greek Salad, Chinese Junk, Scotch & Soda
By Nowy Liberté (not verified)
Mon, 07/12/2021 - 5:12pm
Japanese Beetle, Greek Salad, Chinese Junk, Scotch & Soda and many many more are just common names for objects or even families of objects. It just so happens that these have a name of a country or a population of a country embedded in the name or in some case nickname or even abbreviation.
Are they all pejorative?? -- well I suppose its in the mind of the beholder. In many cases - they are simply descriptive shorthand with an unknown heritage of the names geographic component.
For example -- Scotch and Soda -- is really shorthand for a drink combining Scotch Whiskey with carbonated water. In Scotland -- you don't ask for Scotch -- you ask for Whiskey because that is the only kind of Whiskey they make in Scotland [a mostly malted barley whiskey].
On the other hand If you go into a bar in Louisville, KY and ask for a Whiskey and Soda -- you wouldn't get Scotch you would most likely get Bourbon [a mostly corn whiskey]. Bourbon of course ultimately connects with the Royal Family of France although the exact coupling with the whiskey is unknown.
What about Dutch Elm Disease??? probably the closest analog to the Gypsy Moth.
It is not a disease native to the Netherlands, nor is it a disease only affecting Dutch Elms. The name is tied to the fact that while it probably has been around for thousands of years -- it was first identified when Elms started succumbing in large numbers in the Netherlands
as Wikipedia states:
So why not call it Schwarz Elm Disease???
well Prof Schwarz got a tree named after her that is mildly resistant [although apparently doesn't look like much compared to a "real Elm"] ---
We apparently have one growing in the Arnold Arboretum,
About that junk
By perruptor
Wed, 07/14/2021 - 8:33am
Note that the English synonym for trash has nothing to do with Chinese ships, so no, Chinese Junk is not pejorative.
As for scotch & soda, don't be ridiculous. No Scotsman, true or otherwise, has to my knowledge ever objected to the phrase.
You might have a case for Japanese Beetle, but I see you didn't try to make it. The rest are ridiculous.
Soo close
By brianjdamico
Wed, 07/14/2021 - 9:16am
It's whisky in Scotland. They might encourage you to go for a swim if you'd like some whiskey with the E in it.
I swear to god
By Lanny Budd
Mon, 07/12/2021 - 5:52pm
If you morons name it Mothy McMothface I am pulling the plug on the whole internet.
Promise?
By perruptor
Mon, 07/12/2021 - 9:11pm
'Cause that would be awesome.
the obvious choice
By Lisfnord
Mon, 07/12/2021 - 6:00pm
Mothy McMothyface
Oh...
By lbb
Mon, 07/12/2021 - 8:08pm
...well played.
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