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South Street Diner backers: People who want peace and quiet should stay in Wellesley

In support of a 24-hour South Street diner

Update: Board decides to let diner stay open 24 hours.

Neighbors and patrons of the South Street Diner packed a Boston Licensing Board hearing this morning, asking the board to let the long-time eatery continue to operate around the clock.

Michael Flemming said he and his wife moved to the area exactly because it's a bustling area, thanks in part to the diner, which has been open 24 hours for more than 60 years.

"Anyone who moved to the neighborhood expecting it to be Wellesley should not be surprised that it is not," Flemming said.

Some residents of a condo building across the street asked the board to limit the diner to a 1 a.m. closing because of what they said was excessive noise. The board took no action today, but could vote on the issue tomorrow.

None of the people seeking the limitation attended the hearing.

Diner lawyer Carolyn Conway said rolling back the diner's hours to 1 a.m. would force its closure.

She said that of the $1 million owner Sol Sidell grossed last year, roughly $900,000 came from meals served between 1 and 4 a.m. And its clientele includes firefighters, police, nurses, postal workers, employees of the steam plant and train station across the street, as well as people getting off I-93 and the turnpike, she said.

"We are serving a public need that is out there," she said.

"It's an iconic institution in the city of Boston," she said, adding the British Airways even uses the diner on posters in London to advertise its flights to Boston.

"The problem is you have people being disturbed - they can't sleep at night," board Chairman Daniel Pokaski said.

Conway said Sidell has attempted to contact every neighbor and address their concerns. She said the outdoor patio is shut at 1 a.m., Sidell and security officers kick out rowdy customers and that Sidell re-arranged the stanchions for people waiting outside to get in so that the line moves toward Kneeland, away from nearby residents.

Several nearby residents, including one whose building abuts the diner, spoke on its behalf. They argued that noise is part of the urban environment and said it's kind of silly to complain about a diner in a neighborhood that has locomotives idling around the clock, buses coming and going, emergency helicopters at all hours at the nearby Tufts Medical Center - as well as another all-night diner and late-night eateries in neighboring Chinatown.

Both the mayor's office and the office of at-large City Councilor Stephen Murphy sent representatives to support continued 24-hour operation.

Mike Butler of Chinatown praised Sidell: "I have never seen a more professional man, a more passionate man at what he does."

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That area was industrial until recently so I do not feel bad for the local residents. It is not even like these were houses and other people moved in to fill the houses, they were factories which turned into lofts. I realized they may not have known about the noise at night when they bought if they were not locals but that is something a good real estate agent would have mentioned "oh by the way that diner across the street, um it never closes."

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One of the residents who spoke in favor of the diner said they have signs advertising their 24-hour status out front.

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Yeah so they have no excuse. Anyone with half a brain knows that 24 hours= loud noises late at night, especially since this area has a lack of 24 hour establishments. My guess is that the price was LOWER then a similar condo not even a few blocks so they bought the condo. Then when the source of that lower rent bothered them they tried to get rid of it. Thereby increasing the cost of their condo when they go to resell.

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I'll point out this is the same type of complaint as people who move right next to decade, or even century old colleges; then proceed to complain about noise for the students off campus.

While the direct noise level will rise and fall from year to year; it's always been the case.

Deal with it. If you didn't enjoy the atmosphere, maybe moving right next to one wasn't such a good idea in retrospect.

Oh wait, you're a special person who's opinions matters the most. Good to know.

(This rant isn't against those who have had major encroachment from colleges who haven't kept up with on campus housing demands. But then again it is if you pushed against additional on campus housing.)

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Look under S, for Shocking Lack Of.

Kalamazoo has more 24-hour restaurants.

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For a "world class city" Boston is strikingly determined that everyone be in bed by 9pm.

Once we had everyone in bed (asleep! mind you) by that time that all we'd be left with are people moaning that they can't travel unimpeded at 60mph through the city.

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Not sure what sleepy precious little exclusive nook of Boston you live in, but bars let out at 2AM in this city and weekend partying often continues beyond that time in my neighborhood.

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It's one thing to try and fight the opening of an all-night business in your neighborhood when you've lived there for many years. It's quite another to move into a neighborhood with an established landmark of an all-night business and try to close it down. Maybe these people should sue their real estate agents or the sellers of the condos for soundproof windows. Heck, make them lightproof too, so they don't have to look out at the real world.

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$50 says they leave all their windows open at night in the summer, and are expecting not a chirp from the city streets below.

I've seen this phenomenon before.

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Probably some kind of zoning variance or special use permit was necessary to put condos there in the first place- there should have been no doubt as to the generally industrial/commercial character of the area. Should we expect the Trigen plant to shut down at 1 a.m. nightly for the sake of its new neighbors?

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None of the people seeking the limitation attended the hearing.

That just about says it all, doesn't it. Sounds like in reality, it's one or two families or small groups of people.

Personally I know who these sticklers are. They're people with high rise patio's who feel they should be able to sleep at night with their sliding doors open and not hear a peep from the city below. Sorry folks, there's plenty of quite nature and fresh night air past 128 for you; at a discount no less.

If you live in a city or densely packed area, and your windows are open at night, expect some noise.

If the city closes this diner down, it'll just be the last joke in a long line of them. They're always harping about Boston being a "World Class City", but what other WCC can you not find food or entertainment past 12:30am on a weekend? Hell, practically everything in Downtown Crossing to State Street is closed after 6PM...

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Boston is still The City That Always Sleeps, a cross between a college town on steroids and a medium-sized city that often pretends to be one of the Big Kids.

There are a lot of plusses about living in Boston -- at times, its mid-level size can be one of them -- but it's missing a genuine metropolitan 'tude. If it was otherwise, situations like this one would never even crop up.

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We say no to colleges, we say no to new buildings, we say no to 24 hour diners. We're getting close to running out of things to say no to. Maybe we could say yes for once?

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No

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I live next to the CSX freight track in Readville, as well as the commuter rail tracks. We knew the tracks were there when we moved here- it was a factor that made the rent more reasonable. We got used to the noise.
Keep an eye on the Licensing Board- it's sort of a funny entity. Though nobody on it has ever been accused of taking bribes or anything, it played a shadowy supporting role in the recent Wilkerson drama.

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She said the outdoor patio is shut at 1 p.m

Are you sure? Or did she say 1 a.m. ? 1 p.m. doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

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There's also a mention of 1pm when the lawyer commented on the Diner's ability to remain open above. I'm guessing both were meant as 1am...

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Fixed. Yes, she said 1 a.m., as in an hour past midnight.

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A 1 a.m. patio is late- think of the sound of drunk voices rising. I've never been to this diner late night, but there is a major difference between a 24 hour diner and a 24 hour diner with loud drunk patrons. If it's the later, the neighbors have a legit concern, whether they knew about all night hours or not. The convenience store near me is open 24 hours, but if they started to be a problem at 3 in the morning, you bet I'd complain.

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There are 24 hour diners in major cities without loud drunken patrons??? Even the local 24 hour drivethru fast food joints attract loud drunk patrons and they don't have places to sit!

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I agree Sol is very professional. I find it hard to believe that with their windows closed that there is enough noise to cause a problem.

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This is just like what happens in VT a lot.
City couple buys a nice country house in VT.
They move in.
They notice that there is a dairy farm next door that starts operations at 4 AM.
They start whining "disturbing the peace" type stuff.

Classic "move into an area because of all it has to offer - then proceed to change it" scenario.

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The Boston Licensing Board today took no action on noise complaints, which means the diner gets to stay open all night long.

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All I can say is thank goodness. I can't find another more pleasant, friendly place to eat actual food, ahem 711 step aside, during the night. *PHEW*

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