Tale of two neighborhoods: Uproar over City Point market's proposal to add beer and wine; quiet acceptance of Beacon Hill market's plan to add beer and wine - and charcuterie
The Boston Licensing Board decides tomorrow whether to grant beer-and-wine licenses to two long-time markets - the East Broadway Market at 869 East Broadway at O Street in South Boston and the Beacon Hill Market, 55 Anderson St. at Myrtle Street on Beacon Hill.
The board's hearings on the two applications this morning were as varied as the neighborhoods themselves.
East Broadway Market
Attorney Paul Gannon said market owner Tony Patel and manager Michael David Gannon want to add beer and wine because of a public need for a local market at which residents could add beer or wine to their purchases without walking all the way down to I Street or to P and East 6th streets. He said the store would not sell single bottles of beer - or tiny bottles of wine.
Residents alternated between those who condemned the proposal and those who supported it.
Opponents cited impressionable young students at the Catholic school across the street and raised the specter of them hanging out outside the store trying to get adults to buy them beer and wine. They said that South Boston is already awash in alcohol, that approval would encourage other convenience stores in City Point to seek beer-and-wine licenses, that beer and wine sales would make already bad traffic and double parking at the intersection even worse and further block ambulances and firetrucks, that the nearest existing booze mart is actually just three blocks away and all the "young people" who support the proposal should just get off their duff and walk the short distance if beer is so important to them.
"It is imperative that our school children are protected from the environment of liquor being sold across the street where the kids go for slushes and soda and snacks after school," City Point Neighborhood Association President Luanne O'Connor said.
"Somebody is going to get seriously hurt or killed with all the craziness at this corner," an East Broadway resident said.
Proponents said that just because Broadway and L Street are lined with restaurants and taverns and liquor stores doesn't mean that the smaller area around Broadway and O isn't short of a convenient place to purchase beer and wine.
One resident, who identified himself as Marc on East 5th Street, said the area has a high concentration of people without cars, who would appreciate a convenient market - and which would mean not as many people would drive there. But also, he continued, there's a fundamental class issue when comparing the East Broadway Market and that place on P Street: The market is a friendly place, where people get value for their money. That other place? "Boston is known be a blue-collar city, where people value the money they work hard for," but he gets "no sense of value there."
Max Lobel, who lives across the street from the market, objected to the idea the market would prove a gateway for today's impressionable youth. He said they're already exposed to alcohol at a young age at home - think of all the holiday baskets filled with beer and wine, he said. And parking? Sure, there's about 20 minutes a day when double parkers descend on the intersection each day, but other than that, well, he parks his car on the street and has no problems.
Paul Gannon told the board that St. Brigid and Gate of Heaven parishes took no position on the proposed addition of beer and wine - and that at a neighborhood meeting, several school parents said they had no problems with the proposal.
Beacon Hill Market
Jason Indelicato is seeking board approval for beer and wine as part of his proposal to buy the market and rename it the Beacon Hill Wine Market so he can transform a decades-old "sort of tired and rundown convenience store" into an urban market of the sort people at the top of Beacon Hill would want, Indelicato's attorney, Andrew Upton, said.
This would include craft beers and "finer wines" and food items to go with them, such as charcuterie, "which I am told involves some types of cured meats, like ham," Upton said. But don't worry, he added, Indelicato would continue to stock staples, so "you will be able to buy Froot Loops and paper towels and all that stuff," he said.
One thing the market will not sell: Beer kegs. Also, no malt liquor and no tiny bottles of alcohol, Upton said.
The store will have neither flashing neon signs nor gaudy paper signs in the windows, and won't offer lottery tickets or cigarettes, he added.
Upton said a key public need for beer and wine sales at that location is because it is basically at the top of Beacon Hill. "People at the top of the hill don't want to walk to the bottom of the hill and then walk back up the hill with their bags," he said.
The Beacon Hill Civic Association voiced its non-opposition to the proposal, according to a liaison from the city Office of Neighborhood Services. One resident wrote a letter of support, another wrote a letter of opposition, based on the potential impact on local property values and the potential threat of public drinking. Aside from the liaison, nobody spoke about the proposal at the morning hearing.
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Cigarettes? Lottery Tickets?
How gauche!
Southie is not as
Southie is not as sophisticated as Beacon Hill. We will get there soon as we are trending in the right direction.
-South Boston Resident
Southie business owners like
Southie business owners like to restrict competition as much as possible, rather than offer the kinds of wine and beer that people want.
I miss The Pen circa 1970
where a young man could purchase a six pack of Knickerbocker for $2 and enjoy the frosty taste at Castle Island with well-behaved friends.
Tale of Two Neighborhoods
Regarding the East Broadway Market -The concern voiced at the hearing wasn't that the school children would attempt to have adults purchase alcohol for them, it was that the teenagers & 20 year olds in and around the neighborhood would do so. The concern about the school kids was that many of them go into the store both before & after school for snacks & slushies. Opponents are concerned that alcohol sales & the predictable, enticing advertising for beer & wine that go along with that will send a subliminal message to young, impressionable minds.
Also, Marc on East Fifth Street should take another look at the prices at the East Broadway Market. I have found them to be well above the usual grocery store prices; that's not a criticism as customers understand they are paying extra for convenience.
Finally, for the record, GoogleMaps tells me it is a 0.3 mile walk (6 min) from the East Broadway Market to P & Sixth Streets, the next closest place to purchase alcohol. This is about half the distance to the store at I Street as mentioned by Attorney Gannon.
There is no reason they
There is no reason they should not be able to sell alcohol here. the City Point Neighborhood is so ingrained in their own archaic way of thinking that nobody can see that there are a total of 3 stores to buy anything in all of City Point... 3.... unless CPNA is going to start allowing more stores, the few that are here will have to be allowed to sell what they want and parents will need to teach their kids its not allowed to buy / consume alcohol till their 21, unless they go to Montreal where they can when they are 18, or if they visit Germany, they can get a little taste at 14, and can buy beer at 16.
Beer and wine license
So we should require residents to shop at Rite Aid since CVS has no parking and is on a bus stop. That idea is as silly as it sounds. P and 6th has a rodent problem. I’d rather pay O & Broadway’s higher prices if the food is edible and the service is better. Double parking is not an issue any more than anywhere else in the city. As for the City Point Neighborhood Association? They haven’t supported a neighborhood initiative since they formed and they don’t allow the new Southie residents to join, only those with their prehistoric mindset.
Here’s the deal
and history will repeat itself. There’s one man/family who owns most of all the corner markets in South Boston. They’ve been buying them up one at a time. First they go for the beer and wine license. Then it’s the full liquor license. Now they stop selling bread, ice cream, toilet paper etc and the market is now a full blown packie. Corner stores are dinosaurs. Booze, smokes and lottery are the norm.
The new business plan now is bypass the beer and wine license and go straight to the full liquor license.
Blame the City for allowing this.
LOL
Keep in mind, this is a Catholic school. You know, the pedo ring. You know, the entity that cares about kids so much, it shut down a (expletive) orphanage after the entity which doesn't make it pay taxes said that it couldn't refuse business to gay couples.
Still the greatest bitch move I've ever seen 20 years later. What reality does the lady who said that live in?
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It’s not the parents or the school who care:
it’s just some entitled busy bodies who are using other people’s kids as tokens for their nimbyism.
Caring about kids
That game ended when Sandy Hook happened and we did jack (expletive) about the availability of guns.
Breeding largely appears to be for vanity at this point.
Maybe
Maybe its entitled busy bodies. Or, maybe it's the existing packies doing a little astroturfing: hobbling a potential competitor by getting their friends to show up posing as "concerned neighbors"
There was a long-standing agreement
That there would be no liquor licenses issued east of L Street with the exception of the Pleasure Bay Lounge. This stood the test of time by the lack of any alcohol establishment on this end of City Point.
It doesn’t take a genius to know this. Look around.
Why?
Who made this agreement and why? Almost as if “longstanding agreements” by established power brokers aren’t sacrosanct in cities and should be open for renegotiation, especially after the surrounding neighborhoods have changed as much as this one has.
Can we find the agreement?
Who entered into this agreement? Was it duly enacted by the city council? Is there a record of it? On whom is it binding?
Beacon Capitol Market
There is already a liquor store on Myrtle St a few blocks to the east.
https://www.yelp.com/biz/beacon-capitol-market-boston
You can't sell alcohol there!
There isn't enough parking!
"You have to be able to drive to get your alcohol!" has got to be the most pathetic argument against liquor sales like ever.
Ask Total Wine
When they’re looking at property, a big parking lot is a must. Sometimes you actually don’t know what you’re talking about.
Meaning
Nothing.
This wasn't the liquor store itself asking for parking. Irrelevant comment.
Double parking is rampent on Cambridge St
Simmons Liquors on Cambridge St is know for the
cheapestlowestprices around and attracts a lot of people who use cars to get there. They park in space that might be allocated a bike lane. I don't think a bike lane would change the behavior of the visitors to this store (save for a way to make it physically impossible to do so). The double parking is so pervasive I wouldn't be surprised, if there was a bike lane impossible to park in, that they would just park in the outside lane ("I will only be a minute").
And this…
And this, along with the continued denial of home rule by Beacon Hill is why you have no problem finding a place to drink in the richest neighborhoods of the city but it is increasingly hard to do so anywhere else.
Long term consequences....
Yes, we're still paying for an old mistake, but the mistake isn't what people think.
We chose to keep re-electing an obviously criminally corrupt Curley. The state, wanting to deny him the grift income of selling liquor licenses, took liquor licensing authority away from the city. The mistake here, for which we're still paying, was our re-electing Curley, not the state's entirely reasonable action.
Curley
Curley died 40 years before I was born. Not sure how he is “our” mistake or something that the state should be able to continue to use to deny autonomy and self rule to its capitol city.