So good, so good, so good!

Ugh! Any player or agent that lets that story loose in the final innings of the championship game should be shot.I thought it was disgusting for Boras and ARod to leak this news at that time. I also thought it was poor timing for the network to cut in with their "breaking news story". I hope Arod gets his 300 million and goes to the national league where we will never have to see him again cuz you know he aint leading anbody to the world series! oh by the way we wone one of those last night! I just like to say it.

Sign Lowell!

By Angelaf
Mon, 10/29/2007 - 12:29am

Yah!

Fox closing credits?

By Lis Riba
Mon, 10/29/2007 - 12:34am

Papelbon hasn't danced for us yet...

Dance, Papelbon, dance!

They're back

By Angelaf
Mon, 10/29/2007 - 12:42am

Apparently the kids didn't get the memo that Kenmore Square/Fenway Park is off limits.

Rhondella Richardson at Boylston and the Riverway

By adamg
Mon, 10/29/2007 - 12:44am

"The indulgence of the police is at an end."

Where's this quote from?

By Sox#1
Mon, 10/29/2007 - 11:52am

Where's this quote from?

Rhondella Richardson

By adamg
Mon, 10/29/2007 - 11:57am

It's one of the things she was saying as she watched the crowd she was in.

www.highway29.net

By Dave
Mon, 10/29/2007 - 12:49am

http://www.highway29.net/soxwin.gif

Kenmore square: Note to

By Anonymous
Mon, 10/29/2007 - 12:50am

Kenmore square:

Note to cops. Horse speed and crowd speed are not the same. Lets keep moving only results in more problems

Jacoby, have my babies

By mcw
Mon, 10/29/2007 - 12:56am

Mr. Ellsbury, you and me. Those regal cheekbones; that moody, dark-eyed gaze; that perfect slice in the first inning.
Kindly get your gorgeous base-stealing self over to Cambridge. Just follow the sound of "WHOOOOOOOO SOX!" and you'll find my place...

Um, no, you do NOT "go to school in Boston."

By Molly Clare
Mon, 10/29/2007 - 12:59am

"OH. MY. GAWD. The Red Sox just won the Super Bowl!" -- overheard outside a Harvard dorm just now

Police action in Kenmore

By Jass
Mon, 10/29/2007 - 1:02am

Police action in Kenmore Square

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It was a nightmare to get

By Sox#1
Mon, 10/29/2007 - 8:59am

It was a nightmare to get home last night, if you were around the fenway/kenmore area. I'm all for the police presents and keeping people on the street moving, but shutting down every single road and forcing people to walk 2 miles back to their car is not acceptable.

We had to cross the pike way down in Brookline just to get over the pike and back up to Marlboro street where we were parked. I fell bad for any residents in cars having to deal with just trying to get home in the neighborhood. They even shut down the exits on storrow to Boylston/Kenmore with barricades.

Can you say police state? What ever happened to the right to assembly?

Police need to police the people causing any trouble, while causing a minimal impact on the neighborhood. Turning a large swath of the city into a war zone is unacceptable.

hmmmmm

By bostnkid
Mon, 10/29/2007 - 9:41am

I think they were pretty clear about shutting down Kenmore Square after the 7th inning last night. Police state? How old are you? Are you a BU student?

Keeping People Out? Or in?

By SwirlyGrrl
Mon, 10/29/2007 - 9:59am

I think the problem is that if they wanted people to leave the area in a reasonable time frame, they needed to facilitate the movement of those people - not barracade them in and then yell at them for not moving on.

This is pretty typical of big-city police crowd control - not just Boston. Many use fences, barracades, street closings for crowd "control", and then just can't get why the crowds are not dispersing as they might like. Lacking a solid grounding in the principles of fluid dynamics, they don't get the concept of "bottleneck" beyond the 40 ounce variety.

They could be a BU student,

By Arborway
Mon, 10/29/2007 - 10:03am

They could be a BU student, let's just wait and see if they use the word "ruckus" at some point in the future. Then we will know.

I'm rather amused that Emerson sent its students an email that read like "We understand that some of you are somehow familiar with this whole baseball thing, so here are some safety tips. The rest of you might want to keep them in mind, as well."

Nope, and no

By Sox#1
Mon, 10/29/2007 - 11:41am

26, responsible, and slightly peeved I had to walk 2 miles in a circle , cross the pike closer to Brookline, just to get to my car. And yes, I left right after the game, I did have to work this morning.

[i]This is pretty typical of big-city police crowd control - not just Boston. Many use fences, barricades, street closings for crowd "control", and then just can't get why the crowds are not dispersing as they might like. Lacking a solid grounding in the principles of fluid dynamics, they don't get the concept of "bottleneck" beyond the 40 ounce variety.[/i]

You hit it right on the head. We were even asking the police stationed around the best routs to go, but they would give us a grunt and tell us to keep moving, or "just go that way". they didn't even know the plan, or were unwilling to help. that's a bad recipe when there is a large confused crowd, and trigger happy cops who aren't too happy to be working at 12:00am on a Sunday...

How the hell are we supposed to move when the officers themselves are only waiting to put a licking on people confused and being pushed toward obscure streets in the wrong direction?

I knew about "streets being closed" down in the 6th. I had no idea that meant, "barricades are going up, and good luck trying to get back to you car". It looked like some kind of war zone down there, and I do have to say 99% of the people were friendly, not rowdy, and just wanted to go home. I think sometimes the police think a use of force is better then a use of their heads. Even with all that presence, they still didn;t stop a car from being flipped and fires from starting.

26 is too old for rioting

By bostnkid
Mon, 10/29/2007 - 12:06pm

I knew on Friday what the plan was.

"26, responsible, and slightly peeved I had to walk 2 miles in a circle , cross the pike closer to Brookline, just to get to my car. And yes, I left right after the game, I did have to work this morning."

Im sorry but I thought the game was in Denver? Isnt 26 a little old to be running around screaming about being champions? The warned everone because they did not want a flood of idiots charging into Kenmore Square looking to let off some steam.If you are under 21 and wanted to go down there and drink beers and climb streetpoles then that is cool. I was 20 once and I was pretty dumb in some of the choices I made.At age 26 I would realize that the Kenmore Square after party was a younger mans game.Do you really want to be "that guy" who gets arrested for tipping over a car at age 26? Come on buddy. Its time to grow up. Go Pats!!

Go Pats indeed, but step off your high horse.

By Sox#1
Mon, 10/29/2007 - 2:16pm

Go Pats indeed, but step off your high horse.

I live in the city, pay taxes, vote; I have friends, and I should be able to do what I want within the confines of the law.

It's not your bag baby, fine, but I was happy to cheer on the Soxs with a non rowdy group of fans at a establishment down the road. And while I don't need to prove anything to you, I will make it known I said my hoots [b]in[/b] the bar, went outside, and immediately headed home. Stone tossing and fire starting are arts best left to the Neanderthals. On top of that, I don't even drink.

That said, this is the US of A, and while the cops need to keep some would-be massholes in line, I don't think they can declare marshal law and shut down a neighborhood lawfully. There are residents out doing other things that were trying to get home, I was trying to peacefully leave and get home, and still shit was going down in other areas of the city. They really didn't prevent anything if you want to get to that, they just moved it further away from the park.

I want to point out that in my eyes, what the police did was very dangerous, and It could have easily have escalated out of control fast. I think they need to plan things out a little more, and if they do decide to shut down streets, they need to control the crowd on those streets, not block them and push them down a single road away from where most people had parker/arrived. If they said I wouldn't have any access to get home, I wouldn't have went. they said the roads would be shut down (to me that means cars), and that you would have to leave the area from the 6th on (you couldn't, they penned us in). When you politely ask an officer where to go, what the procedure, or how to I get to the car, I expect a thoughtful answer. I don't expect to be treated like scum, yelled at, or pushed along when I'm complying with whatever plan they think I'm magically supposed to know.

They got lucky last night, It was very apparent they weren't there for crowd control and to get people home safely, but to escalate the situation when the time came.

Stepping off my high horse

By bostnkid
Mon, 10/29/2007 - 3:05pm

I think the police DID plan it this way. In case you don't remember, a young woman was killed on Landsdowne St in 2004? I think what the police did was necessary. They told everyone that the Kenmore Square area would be locked down after the 6th inning. Just because you didnt flip over a car or start a fire makes no difference. The rules were for anyone that wanted to be in Kenmore after the game.So if it took you a long time to get back to your car then thats your fault, you were warned. I think its a lot better for us to be sitting here today talking about this then some poor student that was run over or shot in the eye with a bean bag.No knock on you bro, I just think you should understand the reasoning.

What Planning Means

By SwirlyGrrl
Mon, 10/29/2007 - 3:18pm

Snelgrove was trying to leave the area. The police blocked the crowd from exiting, then fired into it, killing her and seriously injuring others.

Planning, in the broad sense, doesn't mean "having a plan", it means understanding certain needs and best practices for managing things. It means operationalizing a set of key ideas such that things run smoothly, informed by prior knowledge, geographic understanding, and larger goals (e.g. moving people out of the area and not trapping them in).

I see a plan to go HUT HUT HUT in all of this, a plan to be adversarial to any and all in the area, with a little bit of extra learning from last time. What I don't see is a professional level concept of getting people onto public transit, away from the area, and through the district while keeping the peace.

In case you forget, Police

By Sox#1
Mon, 10/29/2007 - 3:29pm

In case [i]you[/i] forget, [b]Police killed a young woman[/b] on Landsdowne St in 2004.

Not bar patrons, Not stupid college kids.

Why? A lack of planning and a itchy trigger finger.

Sure lets go and blame the victim here. A young girl, standing on a cprner that's dead because of a lack of training, communication, escalation, and a bad plan of action. This was preventable, but not because "people should stay away from fenway". Go tell the people on Newbury street that have thousands of dollars of damage to their cars and no-one in jail because of it, due to the police tied down to the peaceful fenway area.

The same lack of planning was [b]very[/b] visible last night.

If you want something similar happening again, go ahead, but I'm trying to have a debate on what can be done to make the policing more effective, while accounting for the fact that people have the right to go out to this area when and how they want within the law, and need to be directed on where and how to leave. If the crowd is dangerous, the chaos that police added to the situation is down right inexcusable. Telling Citizens to get inside your house, don't come out and to STFU is not right.

And no-where did it say I

By Sox#1
Mon, 10/29/2007 - 3:42pm

And no-where did it say I would be entering a locked down zone like what was encountered. I was genuinely surprised there was no way to get back to my car, as we didn't have any problem at all during the ALCS game with the same plan implemented. (neither did police from what I heard).

BPD said you will not be able to launder around on the street after the 6th, and will be asked to move out of the area. They said roads will be closed to private vehicles and parking bans enforced. They said bar patron's must be inside before the 6th inning, and asked to leave the area immediately after the game.

I played by their rules, but my point is they made it dangerous because it wasn't easy. I ended up wandering down back streets, barley lit, trying to get back to a a car parked 500 feet down the road. They didn't say we couldn't exit the street, but from one location through a 5 foot opening in a gate. They didn't inform us that Kenmore Station would be shut down (a good guess on my part). They really didn't care that moving in a crowd pinned into a small area isn't gong to be fast, pushing people down the road from us. they didn;t practice good crowd control if the point was to get everyone to go home as fast as possible and as safely as possible.

Anyways, I'm not blaming the cops for policing, I'm blaming them for not taking the best action to protect the public and go after jerks who break the law.

It seems to me that

By independentminded
Mon, 10/29/2007 - 10:03pm

the behaviour on the part of a number of celebrants of the 2004 World Series Red Sox victory is what brought about the tougher response of the police this time around. The people misbehaving were not necessarily in the majority, but they sure do make it much, much more difficult for the others.

Kenmore horse crowd

By Jass
Mon, 10/29/2007 - 1:06am

Kenmore horse crowd control

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs6p8EbAUNc

crowds at bu seemed rather

By Anonymous
Mon, 10/29/2007 - 2:32am

crowds at bu seemed rather tame. perhaps a small minority of them know how to exercise restraint, despite whats been going on in brookline and allston

'tards over at northeastern seemed to be up to their usual antics

glad no one got hurt

Isn't Allston a Berkley,

By Sox#1
Mon, 10/29/2007 - 2:46pm

Isn't Allston a Berkley, MassArt, & Emerson safe haven? That's what it seemed to me when I lived in Allston back in the day.

I thought most of BU lived in Brookline. Nothing like having a impromptu recoding studio on both sides of your apartment. Oh, and they sucked.. really sucked. But they had the courtesy to stop around 10:30 usually.

In Rosi? Really?

By Anonymous
Mon, 10/29/2007 - 8:17pm

I heard barely a thing, and I'm close to Washington and the Square. A few stray car horns but certainly nobody in the street. Even our frequent firework launcher, the guy who thinks the entire month of July needs 2 AM shows, was silent. It was like the series itself, good but underwhelming.

Really

By adamg
Mon, 10/29/2007 - 8:40pm

This was up on Grew Hill. It wasn't a long set of fireworks, probably because whoever it was blew most of his wad on the ALCS win. And yeah, in general, WAY more quiet than in 2004.

So good, so good, so good!

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