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Incident in Roslindale

The Globe reports Boston Police are investigating an incident at Washington and Lesher streets in Roslindale in which an officer trying to get a suspect into a cruiser during an arrest briefly put his hands on the guy's neck - after the guy started resisting getting into the cruiser and screaming as a crowd of his pals rushed the scene.

The Globe points to an excerpt of this video (NSFW for language) showing the arrest.

The video, which was originally uploaded to Facebook on Saturday, starts with an officer using his own phone to record a guy standing in the middle of Washington Street while plainclothes officers investigate something at the Domino's. When the guy yells "Fuck the pigs, my nigga, fuck these nigga bitches, suck my dick, nigga!" to the camera, one of the cops decides to arrest him - on charges of disorderly conduct and blocking traffic.

After he was peacefully handcuffed, a crowd of teens gathers round, he starts resisting getting into the cruiser and screaming about what he wants to do to the cops, the kids start screaming and pushing and a uniformed officer briefly puts his hands on the guy's neck - although without any apparent pressure, and not enough to get him to stop yelling.

The videoer, meanwhile, provides his own commentary. When the cops try to put the traffic blocking guy in a cruiser and he repeats what he wants to do to the police, a crowd of teens starts screaming and pushing and then the videoer starts screaming "Somebody's gonna get shot!" repeatedly even though none of the cops had their guns drawn.

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Destined for great things, to be sure.

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What that kid needs is a good spanking and then sent straight to bed in the jailhouse without his supper. You want the cops to ignore this kind of shit and swaddle every punk in a blankie then let me tell you these dogs will be through your window and slitting your throat in fairly short order. Are the whiners already saying the cops were too mean to him?

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They should focus on arresting punk kids going home with groceries on the bus for wearing fake bullet-clad accessories.

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He seems so proud of himself and his 15 minutes of fame.
And I hope that is an old profile picture (no bruises on his neck)

https://www.facebook.com/?_rdr=p#!/elvin.vargas.961?fref=ts

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I don't understand all the contention and outrage on this. People online are seriously calling this police brutality, which seems like an insult to people who have been the victims of real cases of brutality.

After being cuffed for disorderly, multiple officers attempt to get him into the cruiser with hands on his head and chest to guide his ass in to the seat. When the uniformed officer puts one hand near his neck, the other is flat against his face. If the kid was being "strangled" -- as a few of the anti-police blogs have put it -- he wouldn't be able to continue yelling, inciting the crowd, and actively resisting. Basic anatomy and physiology. He put his hand on the base of the suspect's neck, which is a good spot to avoid being bitten, since that's not outside the realm of possibility when trying to restrain someone who is unruly.

Also, the "am I being detained" circle-jerkers are crying that this young man was arrested for yelling something protected by free speech. No. He was arrested for disorderly conduct for blocking traffic. The cop even says it in the video. Resisting didn't help his cause, though I'm sure his boys now think he's hard.

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Reading the comments in the Globe, and the few already posted here on U-Hub I'm amazed at the seeming lack of understanding of the Constitution that many people have. No matter how hurt the officer's feelings were you can't arrest someone for swearing at you. What we have here is textbook Unlawful Detention which is a violation of the victim's 4th Amendment Rights. We also have a violation of his 2nd Amendment Rights as he was arrested for hurling obscenities at the officers which like it or not is protected free speech.

I'm not a fan of the guy's language or the message of that language, but considering Boston is the birthplace of the American Revolution I just can't see how anyone who has ever taken a grade school History class wouldn't acknowledge the Officers are completely wrong in this instance. It's as if people only care about the Constitution when it's convenient for them.

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"We also have a violation of his 2nd Amendment Rights as he was arrested for hurling obscenities at the officers which like it or not is protected free speech. "

He was also blocking traffic. Where does the constitution say you can block traffic?

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Cars block streets all the time. Why can't a pedestrian?

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1. Streets are designated for vehicle traffic flow (cars, trucks, bicycles, motorcycles) not pedestrians.

2. Impeding flow of traffic with your vehicle is a ticketable offense in MA under Title XIV Chpt. 90 Sec. 13 of the MGL.

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From page 106 of the Massachusetts Drivers manual:

"State law requires you to use a crosswalk when one is available. If an intersection has a traffic signal, press the button and wait for the WALK signal. Intersections with no push buttons automatically give WALK signals. Be patient!"

I certainly saw a sidewalk in that video, did you not?

From pate 106 again:
"You must use a sidewalk when one is available. When no sidewalk is available, you should walk on the shoulder facing traffic."

The individual in the video was walking with traffic, not facing it. Although, once again, there was a sidewalk available.

http://www.massrmv.com/rmv/dmanual/

One last note, don't ever call a woman traffic.

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If I were to just park my car, blocking the roadway, I would be breaking the law. My guess is that if a cop came along and was wondering, say, why traffic suddenly could not get from Forest Hills to the Square, saw that I had angle parked so that no cars could get by at all, and after telling me to move, I refused, I would probably be in the squad car soon enough. On the other hand, I could just be trying to make a left turn but can't due to the volume going in the other direction. In both instances, a car is blocking the street, but the circumstances would lead to different responses.

If you need a walking comparison, it is the difference between the line that forms along Commonwealth Avenue when people are waiting to get into the Paradise for a show and antiabortion protestors attempting to block access to Planned Parenthood up the street. Yes, both are people massing on the sidewalk, but the purpose of the latter is a lot different than the purpose of the former.

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Cars have more rights than humans in this country unfortunately. They can block traffic, kill cyclists, park on sidewalks etc and won't even get a ticket.

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Inanimate objects cant have rights. You cant hold your keyboard accountable for you typing that ridiculous comment, can you?

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Look around at how killing someone with a car or a truck is a "get our of murder for free card" in these parts, and try again.

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"with a car" not a car killing someone.

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Just when I thought I'd seen it all on UHub...

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From the esteemed office of Butthurt and Wahhhh, LLC.

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First of all he wasn't the only person in the street and second of all if we're going by the video evidence, he was not blocking traffic at all. The guy actually walked from one street to another. It's a trumped up charge that will get thrown out and it was an Unlawful Arrest.

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...on you tube of NYC police shooting a guy in Times Square for blocking trafic and ranting like a lunatic...and they shot like 4 or 5 times, hit him once. Where did those other bullets go?!? TIMES EFFING SQ!!!! The possibility of hitting other people is sky-high in that area. What a lot of people don't realize is that most* cops don't leave the station in the morning wanting to arrest people. Typically they try and de-escalate a situation first, to resolve an issue without ruining anyone's life that day. Then as a situation progresses they take action when they feel it necessary. This kid was defintely disorderly, and blocking traffic. They could have walked up, tackled him, arrested him, slammed him in the back of the cruiser, and gone about their day...same charges would be levied. They let him go on and on and tried to coax him out of the road when he poked the hornets nest and started berating cops. It is your first amendment right to say whatever you want, no matter how stupid. The consequence of what he said was that the cops' patience for his bullshit expired right then and there, and instead of going home and getting away with causing a disturbance unharmed, he got arrested.

Many of us break the law every single day. Somehow, some way. If you are not a total dick about it you'll probably get through life without a record.

*For the record I am no lover of cops, and I realize there are plenty of crooked ones, having myself been on the receiving end of police brutality. However, the point stands, you need to fucking behave around them. They just want to go home and collect a paycheck while putting up with as little bullshit as possible.

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Many courts have ruled that yelling the n bomb multiple times at a person , Police officers included would not qualify as protected speech.

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You are so fucking wrong about what is and is not protected speech. What case?

In Cohen v. California, Cohen was acquitted of disorderly conduct for wearing a pin reading "Fuck the Draft" in a courthouse. Snyder v. Phelps, you can be an asshole in public without giving rise to a tort.

If you put on a white hood and shout "kill those n words" at a group of black people, your speech is almost certainly not protected. This is speech directed at eliciting immediate, lawless action. I should point out that cross burning itself is not prima facie evidence of fighting words. This is settled law.

If you shout "fuck the police, my nigga" while walking away from a cop, your speech is definitely protected. Showing contempt for the police is not a crime.

Please, please educate yourself.

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I wonder if that's really protected free speech.

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Contempt of cop, while not advisable, isn't a crime. In City of Houston v. Hill, the Supreme Court took a dim view on an arrest in Houston where a cop asked the appellate if he was trying to start a fight. The appellate answered in the affirmative.

contrary to the city's contention, the First Amendment protects a significant amount of verbal criticism and challenge directed at police officers.

"Speech is often provocative and challenging. . . . [But it] is nevertheless protected against censorship or punishment, unless shown likely to produce a clear and present danger of a serious substantive evil that rises far above public inconvenience, annoyance, or unrest."

Terminiello v. Chicago, 337 U. S. 1, 4 (1949). In Lewis v. City of New Orleans, 415 U. S. 130 (1974), for example, the appellant was found to have yelled obscenities and threats at an officer who had asked appellant's husband to produce his driver's license. Appellant was convicted under a municipal ordinance that made it a crime

"'for any person wantonly to curse or revile or to use obscene or opprobrious language toward or with reference to any member of the city police while in the actual performance of his duty.'"

Id. at 415 U. S. 132. We vacated the conviction and invalidated the ordinance as facially overbroad. Critical to our decision was the fact that the ordinance "punishe[d] only spoken words," and was not limited in scope to fighting words that, "by their very utterance,nflict injury or tend to incite an immediate breach of the peace.'" Id. at 415 U. S. 133, quoting Gooding v. Wilson, 405 U. S. 518, 405 U. S. 525 (1972); see also ibid. (Georgia breach-of-peace statute not limited to fighting words held facially invalid). Moreover, in a concurring opinion in Lewis, JUSTICE POWELL suggested that even the "fighting words" exception recognized in Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire, 315 U. S. 568 (1942), might require a narrower application in cases involving words addressed to a police officer, because

"a properly trained officer may reasonably be expected to 'exercise a higher degree of restraint' than the average citizen, and thus be less likely to respond belligerently to 'fighting words.'"

No reasonable court would interpret a black kid calling a white cop the n-word to be fighting words.

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Does that mean I can walk up to you and start yelling at you and calling you names, and as long as I don't try to re-arrange your face, all you can do is just stand there and take it?

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If this doesn't happen to you semi-regularly, you must not live around here.

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It's unfortunate, but the world really isn't as black and white as you wish it was. Facts matter. I'm not a cop, the law doesn't hold me to a higher standard of self-control. Suppose you decided to be an internet tough guy and get in my face. If I were to hit you, the law would probably reasonably conclude that I acted in self-defense.

On the other hand, let's say you shouted "Fuck Cantabrigian, his mother smells like old books" while on the other side of the street. If I hit you in this instance, I would clearly be guilty of assault.

In this case, we had a bunch of hothead cops decide to escalate a conflict with some idiot kids. The cop moved to arrest one kid for saying "fuck the police" while walking away. This isn't fighting words, it's just contempt of cop. Legal or not, I think we all agree that it's a pretty stupid thing to do. He was then arrested due to the content of his speech. If the kid had been running around the street yelling "I love the BPD," it's inconceivable to think he would have been arrested.

That's when everyone got even stupider. The kid became combative, the cop put his hands on the kids throat. This is bad policing and worse optics.

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Each situation is unique but take a look at state of Minnesota vs clay

http://mn.gov/web/prod/static/lawlib/live/archive/ctapun/9909/343.htm

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I don't see a gun being used anywhere in this video, so I don't understand what you are referring to.

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When people scream about protecting the Constitution and they can't even name the right Amendment for their argument.

Free speech and gun carrying might be viewed as the same thing for some, I guess.

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"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

1st amendment is Freedom of Speech

First Amendment - Religion and Expression. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

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I've always scratched my head at the "NSFW-language" thing for videos. Particularly people complaining about the language after having watched said video at their desk at work. Where are these offices where it's okay to slack off watching videos at work, but a couple swear words is the end of the world. I'd be more concerned about adults sitting on Youtube at work rather than some adult language. Also, headphones.

/minor tangent

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In a normal week, most of UHub's traffic comes between 9 and 5 on weekdays.

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It's one of the few interesting/entertaining sites that aren't blocked by my organization and that I could justify as work.

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That's surprising -- I thought the Globe Reporters came to work a bit earlier then that.

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I'm just saying I don't understand when people flout the whole unwritten (or perhaps written) rule about not wasting company time by playing videos at work from their speakers. I get it, we all do it, particularly those who do have downtime while processes load, etc., when thumb-twiddling is the only other option.

I just wondered on what planet some boss is pissed off at the content of said videos, rather than the simple fact that you're watching videos. Or just use headphones.

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People in the next cubicle/office/desk over don't want to explain to the client on the phone why there's a sudden tirade of expletives in the background. Even if you're allowed to occasionally stop and watch a video, the content is important to consider.

NSFW can mean someone dies in the video or gets nude. Those aren't exactly "hey, you all have gotta see this!" videos to be sharing with the whole office either, because you may not know everyone's level of sensitivity to such issues. People walking by or coming up to your desk may not want to see that if they get a glimpse of your screen. And all of that could make it back to your boss ("Did you know John watches porn on his computer at work?" "No, honest, it was just a news video of some crazy lady getting naked in the street.").

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Lunch break? Some people get an hour for lunch, and don't take that long to consume food. I would imagine in many places, especially if you were using a personal device, you could watch videos during that time without breaking any company policies.

And then there are people who have jobs that involve sitting around waiting for things and occasionally not having something else productive to do for work, doing something that makes you focus on something is probably more beneficial to your productivity than staring at a wall.

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Boston isn't as rundown, out of control and violent as many other comparable cities, or even some horrible smaller New England cities like Hartford, Springfield, Bridgeport. There's a large uptick in violence and street crime in D.C., which has always been far worse than Boston, even though comparable in size. Baltimore is out of control, the violence, shootings, murders, are surging back to 1970s levels that make Boston and the Boston area seem like paradise by comparison.

I know this area of Boston, the Washington St corridor of Roslindale, well; the violence is caused by drug trafficking and gangs in the housing projects and too large a concentration of subsizied housing. Why will this never be acknowledged publicly by officials or just 'reputable' media in general? Too much pussy footing around for fear of 'disrespecting' fill-in-the-blank. Housing projects need one of two things to occur:

1) Knock them all down
2) Strict, draconian security controls, and no tolerance for violence and gang activity either in or around them.

Neither, off course, will occur. So we're left with an unacceptable status quo.

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To me, that's not really Domino's, but the place where BBQ Town used to be.

And I will grant you that when violent crime happens in Roslindale, it often happens there.

Buy, please, just knock down Archdale? How about rebuild it into something more humane that doesn't resemble a series of WWII army barracks? You know, like they did with Washington-Beech.

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Arborway Gardens looks like army barracks, yet you never hear about about guns, drugs or shootings. It's not the buildings, it's the residents living in the said buildings.

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That is all.

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Old housing project re-made into condos - same crappy military barracks-style shitholes, different residents. So, by admin's bleeding heart logic, those streets and courtyards should be flowing with blood because it's the buildings that affect the resident, not residents that affect the buildings.

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They moved the people who had lived there before back in. A significant number of the townhouse units are sort of rent-to-own, on the theory that people who own the property will take better care of them. I thought rightwingers like the idea of private property.

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Same (or very similar) buildings, definitely, but same people? I think not gaffin, I think not. One is hard-working homeowners, the other is criminal trash mixed in with a bunch of freeloaders and some honest folks who have fallen upon hard times

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As I wrote in January-

It was set up as Veterans Housing and was a distinct program, separate from elderly and family housing.

Under the law that provided for the construction of veterans housing, the properties had to be turned over to private companies within 6 years of construction.

Arborway Gardens was out of government hands by 1955.

Just because brick was used to build an apartment building doesn't mean they are "projects."

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Have you EVER stepped foot in Beach St or Archdale? Didn't think so!

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Bite me.

But, anyway, to answer your question, yes, I have been to both.

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BBQ Town... one of the few restaurants in the world that is better off having been converted to a Domino's.

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I really miss that place, Domino's was not remotely an upgrade. Yeah, maybe the pizza is, but BBQ Town had great wraps and, well, BBQ. That's a niche that has not been re-filled in Roslindale food offerings.

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The barbecue at BBQ town was made by people who had evidently never tasted real barbecue.

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is a state funded development, just like West Broadway, Franklin Field, Orient Heights and Fanueil Gardens. One of the bigger issues for these developments is that there is a high concentration of undocumented people living in these developments, since they are not eligible to live in federally funded developments. This brings a host of issues, such as distrust of government officials, weaker voting bases, households with lower incomes due to inability to work above the table...

The reason the place looks like it does is because DHCD barely provides funding for repairs and upkeep. There is little incentive for politicians to lobby for funds in the next budget for capital improvements, forget ever funding redevelopment like at Washington Beech. The closest any of the state-funded developments came to redevelopment was Orient Heights when the casino was a possibility at Suffolk Downs.

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Outside of Obama's aunt, the dozens of kids i know who grew up in housing projects NONE were "Undocumented" or children of illegal aliens.

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Housing projects have maintenance budgets that would make any well-funded condo association green with envy. It's not the lack of funding that's the problem, it's the tenants who routinely destroy their buildings. Put them in any condo building and it will go bankrupt in less than a year regardless of how much money it has.

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Can you show some examples of that?

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Previous-Anon may be confusing capital improvements funding with maintenance funding. There's a ton of money floating around Dept of Housing for capital improvements, though as with most gov agencies a lot of that gets eaten up in admin, contractors deliberately lowballing and then submitting COs, legitimate COs because the buildings are in way worse condition than anyone expected, etc... plus, it's a big pool, sure, but there's a ton of little housing authorities all over the state, probably more units than anyone really realizes unless you've worked in the field.

Maintenance, on the other hand, tends to be in short supply and most non-Boston housing authorities have one, maybe two guys on staff who jack-of-all-trades all their maintenance issues (which inevitably means the fixes aren't top notch, which eventually leads to more things going bad and thus the issues spiraling into damages that need capital replacement....)

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Actually, if there is an "unusually high ratio of children to adults" it leads to housing being "more expensive to maintain". "Teenage vandalism and petty crime is kept in check not just by official law enforcement, but by the presence of adults, so that imbalance created massive problems."

So maybe the answer is more housing throughout the communities of greater Boston. Rather than be concentrated into a single area...

Full content found at
https://nextcity.org/daily/entry/myths-about-public-housing

You Need a Balance Among Adults and Kids.

The other factor that Newman missed in his study is that the two NYCHA complexes he looked at had an unusually high ratio of children to adults. D. Bradford Hunt argues that such concentrations were common in public housing complexes across the nation. Teenage vandalism and petty crime is kept in check not just by official law enforcement, but by the presence of adults, so that imbalance created massive problems.

In Chicago, for example, the decision was made to chiefly cater to large families that had trouble finding housing on the private market. In the Robert Taylor Homes, 80 percent of the units had three to five bedrooms, whereas that figure in earlier complexes had been 32 percent. The result was a population of 20,000 youths to 7,000 adults, a youth density of 2.86. The youth density of all CHA’s holdings was 2.11. Compare that to the baby boom suburb of Park Forest to the south of the city — a planned community specifically created for middle-class families — where the youth density was only 0.97. “In no sizeable residential community in modern history had so many youths been supervised so few adults,” writes Hunt.

Across the nation it was common to find almost two times the number of youths as adults in family public housing complexes (in 1968 the average youth density was 1.94). High youth densities made public housing hard to govern, more expensive to maintain and less appealing places to live. They were also the result of policy decisions, however well intentioned, that were not inevitable. Part of NYCHA’s success is rooted in the fact that their youth densities averaged much closer to those of Park Forest.

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Very complex issue.
Other good reading...

There are no children here : the story of two boys growing up in the other America
Author: Alex Kotlowitz
Publisher: New York : Anchor Books, [2011]

Blueprint for disaster : the unraveling of Chicago public housing
Author: D Bradford Hunt
Publisher: Chicago : University of Chicago Press, ©2009.

Public Housing Myths: Perception, Reality, and Social Policy
edited by Nicholas Dagen Bloom, Fritz Umbach, Lawrence J. Vale

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You mean knock them down and then rebuild subsidized housing distributed across the regional communities, like Milton, Newton, Brookline and Dedham? Good luck with that.

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Show Me a Hero: Boston edition

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Archdale are are always causing trouble and selling drugs in the area. I have no issue with the way the cops handled the situation, in fact it scary how little fear criminals have of the law in 2015.

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And not just mouthy kids how?

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Kids don't get that mouthy to cops unless they've had enough interaction with police being scofflaws that they aren't afraid of punishment.

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It's nice to see the professionalism and maturity of Boston's finest on display.

Honestly, if a child is this out of control, DCF should be involved. There's a family in need of services. Mom can whine all she wants about the mean police, but that's a kid who isn't going to make it past his teens without intervention.

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that's a kid who isn't going to make it past his teens without intervention.

Ta Nehisi Coates had a meditation on this idea in the most recent issue of The Atlantic, phrased as a letter to his young son. It's worth a read, even if you don't usually like his polemics.

One must be without error out here. Walk in single file. Work quietly. Pack an extra No. 2 pencil. Make no mistakes.

But you are human and you will make mistakes. You will misjudge. You will yell. You will drink too much. You will hang out with people whom you shouldn’t. Not all of us can always be Jackie Robinson—not even Jackie Robinson was always Jackie Robinson. But the price of error is higher for you than it is for your countrymen, and so that America might justify itself, the story of a black body’s destruction must always begin with his or her error, real or imagined—with Eric Garner’s anger, with Trayvon Martin’s mythical words (“You are gonna die tonight”), with Sean Bell’s mistake of running with the wrong crowd.

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And for most of us, mouthing off to cops would've caused much more trouble at home than at the police station.

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My Dad's direction to me: "you ever get stopped by the cops, it's 'yes, sir' or 'no, sir', you got that"? (This from a guy who once had hair down to his ass, and took more than a couple of beatings (not around here) from cops in the very late 60s and 70s).

So yeah, if my Dad had heard that I had been mouthing off to a cop (very little chance - I was not a hell-raiser), I definitely would have been more worried about what I was in for at home than what I might have been in for at the precinct.

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Has a mediation about something. But it's not about this.

If he had a meditation about this, it might read more like

One can do whatever the hell he wants out here. Act out in school. Make all the noise you want. Swear at your teachers. Never bring a pencil. Do whatever amuses you at any time.

You are human, but nobody will expect you to act it. You will push in every direction against rules that are never enforced. You will yell. You will drink too much. You will hang out with people you shouldn't. Not all of us can always be taught by Ta Nehisi Coates - not even Ta Nehisi Coates was always taught by a Ta Nehisi Coates. The price of your errors will be high for you, but that will be hidden from you for most of your life, until the day it's too late. So that social crusaders might tell to themselves the story of a victim to be avenged, the destruction of another body must start with a child's neglect…

There's a lot of bad out there. Racism is part of the bad that's out there. But you attempting to say the problem in this interaction is racism against that idiotic kid is ridiculous. The problem is the kid's behavior, and whoever the failed adults were who raised him.

You really think if he was blue-eyed and blond-haired they'd have treated him any nicer? Would it even be possible to treat him any nicer? If you think you could have gotten away with talking to a cop like that when you were a kid without a trip to the station, you're either delusional or grew up on the big rock candy mountain. That kid's behavior was so aberrant that any reasonable person could agree with the conclusion he was under the influence in a big way and a danger to himself and others.

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I didn't watch the video. I'm reacting to your comment by saying that yes, kids like that end up dead or in jail unless mom or dad gives them the talk.

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Of how certain national events were handled by the media and its political arm. Siding with criminals like Mike Brown and vilifying officers is whats lead to this national us vs them mentality.

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While I agree that Mike Brown may not be the ideal test case for the Black Lives Matter movement, it seems to me that the us versus them mentality originated with the police. The current state of affairs is a result of people expressing their displeasure at the "us versus them" style of policing. Radley Balko's "Rise of the Warrior Cop" is a great look at this issue.

In this particular instance, BPD appears to do a great job managing a situation that easily could have escalated. And probably would have had the police been in the "us versus them" mindset so prevalent in American law enforcement in 2015. You ain't in Baghdad anymore, boys. Act like it.

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What?!

Your last paragraph can be summed up as follows: "Great job BPD! Cause you all usually suck! And a departing FU to those of you who served this country".

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Last paragraph could be summed up as "according to the literature, there is a growing trend of ex-service men and women joining police forces. Sometimes these men and women treat the general public as they were trained to treat enemy combatants in a combat zone." This is not a criticism of the men and women of the armed forces. It is a criticism of the training they receive when they transition to state side police work.

P.S. - Nowhere did I lump BPD in with other police departments. From what I have seen, BPD does a great job deploying proper force and should be a model for other police departments.

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While the video may be out of context, from what I see here, the crowd and the filmer are harassing the police, not the other way around.

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The kid yelling racist and bigoted obscenities is acting out of control and is in a rage -- seems to me like he's on drugs. If I stood in the middle of street yelling the N word, I'd probably be arrested for disturbing the peace as well. This kid needs rehab.

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I watched the video without audio. I was surprised, given the body language and gestures of several of the non-police actors, at how calm the cops appeared. I'm pretty sure that I would not have been able to appear so calm if I were one of the cops in that situation (although, maybe with training...). It looked to me like some de-escalation training was put to very good use there.

This is where I usually post my "another bigger incident avoided by demanding that out police have better training, better pay, etc." line. I won't repeat it - our regular users know it well by now.

Lastly, Adam, as I have never been a journalist before, I was wondering whether you debated about reproducing the language of guy who was taunting the cops. Obviously, that's not something that we'd see in the Globe, but I'm not really into pearl clutching, either. I was just curious - particularly in view of the kidlet, etc.

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While I've seen plenty of cops acting terribly (clubbing single, individual people on Bay State Road after the 2008 World Series who were trying to get home, for example, or the ones near my parents hometown who like to refuse police reports because it's too much paperwork) I have to say, most cops I've seen in most cities have behaved very calmly and professionally given that the people they're interacting with are belligerent, on drugs, and/or mentally ill.

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Ten years ago, maybe, but now? I'm sure she's read worse in some of the novels she's been assigned in class (well, except for those interminable 19th-century British novels she had to read one after the other over the past couple of years), not to mention what she's heard on the T on her way to and from school every day.

As for the cops, definitely: Aside, possibly, from that one moment with the hands on throat (and it's not like that was just some sudden, unprovoked thing), it was interesting just how calm the cops were. A pretty dramatic difference from incidents we keep hearing about elsewhere - as well as that Transit Police incident at Dudley Square.

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