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SWA 4286

By Frelmont on Tue, 08/13/2024 - 10:10pm

SWA 4286 had to go around a few mins ago, was there a runway incursion, or separation violation, or other?


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By Rwgfy on Wed, 08/14/2024 - 6:54am.

Shh. We are not supposed to ask questions here.

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By Michael on Wed, 08/14/2024 - 8:55am.

Are people still hurting your feelings because of your relentless aggressive uselessness

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By lbb on Wed, 08/14/2024 - 9:44am.

Humans get to ask questions. Useless I-am-just-asking trollbots do not.

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By Frelmont on Wed, 08/14/2024 - 9:59am.

I thought I’d offer it up to the reviewing gnomes and they’d let it float past the transom or pick it up.

I have yet to grok UH. Waiting fills.

Put in a question-free form:

Who: Pilot and those on board of swa4268

What: SWA4268 next to land on runway 27 needed to abort landing had to circle around and reenter the pattern

Where: Massachusetts Bay approaching runway 27

When: 8/13/2024, picture snapped at 9:58 p.m.

Why: On accounta because

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By Rwgfy on Wed, 08/14/2024 - 11:41am.

My guess they flew over DTX and the Common and had a change of mind

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By lbb on Wed, 08/14/2024 - 12:24pm.

Because you just bit the hook.

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By SwirlyGrrl on Wed, 08/14/2024 - 6:59am.

They may have a Boston aviation group for things like this.

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By Frelmont on Wed, 08/14/2024 - 10:21am.

I just happened to be waiting for my wife. I’m not on any groups or social media. Just offering it up in case such info suited anybody’s bent.

Before I started turning to UH for local news I witnessed a bike accident Arlington in June with injuries and photos on the Minuteman trail on accounta storm washout. I would have offered that as a cautionary tale about flooding washout on the trail. I had no idea that was a bad spot that requires attention after thunderstorms.

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By SwirlyGrrl on Thu, 08/15/2024 - 9:47am.

We've noticed very low flying planes coming over our neighborhood in banked turns, well off of the FAA tracks sending them in every few seconds like some automated deafening machine.

But my aviation oriented daughter-out-law usually alerts everyone in the area with details after.

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By Cleary Squared on Wed, 08/14/2024 - 7:36am.

Frelmont is asking about Southwest Airlines flight 4286, and that it could not land at Logan due to another airplane on the tarmac or was too close to air height ceiling that could have caused an accident.

(Nothing against you, Frelmont - it is a perfectly legitimate question.)

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By Frelmont on Wed, 08/14/2024 - 10:00am.

Thanks. I’m learning the ropes.

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By Cleary Squared on Wed, 08/14/2024 - 10:40am.

Once I saw SWA I knew it was related to aviation. Hope your loved one landed safely.

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By emac on Wed, 08/14/2024 - 9:06am.

A routine go-around at 1600 feet, five miles from the runway. Happens a dozen times a day at busy airports like Logan.

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By Frelmont on Wed, 08/14/2024 - 10:03am.

Thanks. Wasn’t aware of the frequency of such occurrences. Was waiting for a loved one on board. Aware of numerous near misses on US airport operations. Offered it up in case it became noteworthy.

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By Ari O on Wed, 08/14/2024 - 9:48am.

Not sure this is worth clogging up the front page. But I guess Adam created a site where anyone can post anything on the front page.

(You could probably go listen to the LiveATC archive and figure this out, but given the location and altitude, this is probably sequencing, spacing, or potentially something on a checklist that had to be confirmed.)

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By 02132 on Wed, 08/14/2024 - 10:57am.

Your front page got clogged by 1 post? You got some dodgy internet pipes there I guess.

I mean, this is the SINGLE non-Adam front page post this month. Ain't nothing clogging anything.

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By cybah on Wed, 08/14/2024 - 11:08am.

access to post on the main page is limited. I was granted that permission when I was doing the Silver Line picture trilogy eons ago. Not sure if its still like that but I know he limits what can be posted. (and I think he can approve posts).

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By Kaz on Wed, 08/14/2024 - 1:26pm.

I haven't been able to check UHub the past few days...just saw your query. I can get you that answer in just a second (and I'll show you how in my reply).

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By Kaz on Wed, 08/14/2024 - 2:15pm.

Summary:
It looks like the pilot either wasn't paying enough attention or wasn't able to slow the airplane down fast enough on approach and was instructed to go around again before contacting the Tower by Final Vector ATC.

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First, I go to your flight in question in FlightRadar24's playbacks: SWA4286/WN4286
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/wn4286#369fc7ac

I find the approximate time of what occurred...in this case initial approach was around 01:55 UTC.

Then you go to FlightRadar24's live map and find the playback tool in the bottom tool bar. Choose Aug 14 01:55. We can see SWA4286 approaching from the SE to get in line behind JBU2854. (set the playback speed to 1x for the next part)

https://www.flightradar24.com/2024-08-14/01:55/1x/42.36,-71.15/11

Now, I go in a new tab to Live ATC's KBOS archive and get their 0130-0200Z file to listen.

https://www.liveatc.net/archive.php?m=kbos_twr

I jump to about 24 minutes into the file to listen for first comms with WN4286's pilot and tower....and I sync the audio and map to about the same timestamp and fine tune the sync by pausing one or the other based on context clues in the recording to look for happening on the map and pause the faster of the two until the other one catches up.

Now, what's odd is I never hear them contact the Tower even though they start to descend on their first attempt....and their go-around was out over the water during approach, not over the runway and not instructed by the Tower...

I'm starting to wonder if they didn't contact the tower and forgot to change frequency off of Final Vector or something. I checked the 0200 file for when they finally contact the Tower for the first time on final approach around 02:06 and get clearance to land...nothing peculiar.

So, now I'm off to check the final vector channel archive...and when I listen there, it sounds like ATC tries to get NW4286 to slow down multiple times but as far as I can tell from the ground speed recorded by FlightRadar24, he never slowed down anywhere close to what was requested. So with as many planes in front of him in a row as they had, Final Vector made him go around and try again so he didn't cause an issue down the road.

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By Frelmont on Wed, 08/14/2024 - 5:20pm.

Holy smokes. That’s fantastic! Thank you so much, I have new tools now. The go-around started due south of the last two letters of Nahant (as a line drown south would intersect with the line of planes) in ADSB in the photo I took waiting in the Cell Phone Lot and the plane popped behind the two planes that were behind it. Nice work. Thank you. My wife and other passengers were thanking the pilot who didn’t seem too happy.

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