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Pink-flamingo outrage in Quincy, where the spirit of John Adams is invoked

Channel 7 reports a Quincy resident was outraged to look out her window to see a dozen pink flamingos on her lawn - put there by a Quincy High fundraising effort:

"To encourage children -- and they are children - to come on people’s property without permission. In the city of Presidents, I think John Adams is rolling in his grave today over this, that is my issue," Abbott said.

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Makes you wonder if she has ever gone to Quincy Center to the Church of the Presidents?

President Adams, and his son JQA, and their wives, are in crypts in the basement. The vaults are kind of big but you may stand right next to them. They are not graves. If there is rolling, perhaps the Patriot Ledger could dispatch a reporter to stand next to them to verify parthogenised tumbling.

Quincy has a nice little drug problem in the center of town along with a rash of illegal rooming houses that has led to deaths in the past and could lead to mutiliple deaths if a fire ever broke out in one of them again.

It would be nice for the Sages of Bulfinch Place to perhaps focus on that in the future.

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a very bright, spotless crypt!.

Before visiting that church I'd only seen crypts in Italy that were dimly lit, and a bit creepy. The Adams' crypt was a complete surprise -- it's brightly lit, freshly painted bright white. No need to roll over in there, although there seems to be plenty of room to do so.

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See, this is why I read UHub comments: sometimes in the middle of the righteous indignation, there's a really cool/weird fact like this one.

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After all, it's the Adams family.

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I don't think you should be making such comments about Adam's family.

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That's a delightful dollop of self-righteousness. I hope the Daily Show picks up on it.

She also suffers from a common misperception. Legally around here, trespassing only happens when someone enters closed areas and more important, posted ones. Thus, you see private lands marked NO TRESPASSING and/or NO HUNTING.

If we want to call the cops against plastic-bird planting teens, we need to put up NO TRESPASSING signs. Alas, even the toy birds are more attractive than those.

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Did whoever paid for the Flocking do it to spite a nasty neighbor who clearly takes herself and her lawn way too seriously or in the mistaken impression that this woman might have something approaching a sense of humor?

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...but if this woman actually has children of school age, they are currently changing their last name.

(And yes the flamingos certainly detracted from the artfully poised plastic Halloween decorations she had around her yard.)

When I first saw the title I figured there was an obese crossdresser eating dogshit in her yard. How would she have reacted to that?

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When I first saw the title I figured there was an obese crossdresser eating dogshit in her yard. How would she have reacted to that?

Ha! John Waters reference FTW! This is the exact sort of meaningless outrage that he puts in his films (a-la Serial Mom, Pecker, Polyester, etc).

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I can take my .22 and go hunt down those nasty flamingos that are blighting her land?

Only if it is flamingo hunting season, of course.

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...it's Fiddler-Crab season.

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I'm sure there are plenty which can be had for a good price right about now.

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...look like crab, talk like people.

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But it's littering at the very least. She didn't ask for those to be left on her yard to have to clean up herself. The idea that "well, if she'd asked, we would have removed them" should make it clear enough up front that she shouldn't have to ask because you shouldn't have left them. Otherwise, why would you feel any compulsion to clean them up if she were to complain to you directly?

This is about the dumbest fundraiser I've ever heard of too. "Here, I'll pay you $20 to litter on that person's front yard." I mean, why use pink flamingos, why not just lob a bag of trash? What makes leaving flamingos somehow more appropriate? Why can it be legal for one person to pay another person to leave ANYTHING on a third, totally uninvolved, person's property?

Finally, as I mentioned on Twitter, I guess they've just been lucky enough to place the flamingos in places that haven't pierced someone's automatic sprinkler lines (or at least that person hasn't figured it out yet). This is why you don't do things like shove flamingos in peoples' yards. You don't know what they have going on in their yard...so why do you feel comfortable and safe with shoving your crap into it?

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calling the cops? I think this woman needs a Valium, or at the very least a sense of humor.

And speaking of litter - I don't appreciate those morons that keep throwing Yellowbooks in the yard, or the USPS delivering pound after pound of expensive four-color slicks from candidates that vow to 'cut spending' - but I don't call the police for chrissakes.

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Yellowbooks are litter too. They simply haven't been challenged for it around here. In Seattle last year, they instituted a new ordinance that said that phone book companies have to use a city opt-out list before they can deliver them. The publisher has taken it to court and while it's been slow going, every preliminary decision has been going in Seattle's favor. In May, San Francisco has gone a step further and said that if Yellowbook doesn't physically deliver it or speak to someone by phone, mail, or posted note that says they'll accept the book, then it's illegal. I expect that one will probably also end up in court too.

Besides, when has "someone else is doing it!" ever been a justifiable defense?

Also, mail isn't litter. If you don't want mail, then file a hold mail notice with an undetermined end date. You have an agreement with USPS to deliver you mail. Make an agreement for them to stop delivering mail. This woman had no such agreement with Quincy High or its fundraising crew. She shouldn't have to opt-out of pink flamingos...it sounds like she didn't even know there was a pink flamingos program to opt out of until they were already there.

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The Yellowbooks example was not used as a defense.

The Politico flyers thing was supposed to be a joke about "litter" in my yard. A pun, if you will.

Jeez, usually I love Kazposts and yell (out loud, at home, alone where no one can hear me) 'that's what I'm talking about!' when you say something awesome but today someone seems to be in a mood.

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I've seen this before, as they put up a sign saying "You've been Flamingo'ed"

They always return a few days later, collect them up and move on to the next house. They don't just leave them.

It's all in good fun, and for a good cause. This old wrench needs to get off her own lawn.

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Single-most hilarious news clip in the history of mankind. I love how you can clearly see her address so she won't be tough to find in the merrymount area. People will come from miles to drop stuff on her lawn.

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Perhaps she wouldn't have been so pissed off if someone stuck a bunch of those 'fat woman with polka dotted underwear bending over' things in her lawn.

Judging from the other ornamentation I saw, the flamingos might have been too classy for her yard.

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I really like the fact that this woman complained that people were paying other people to leave crap in her yard is justification for character assassination here in the UHub comments. Shows a lot of class.

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You and her are both over the top with the umbrage on this one. This was meant to be a fun, light-hearted fund raiser. I imagine that the school figured that those paying for a Flocking would have known the targets well enough to know if it would be taken in the spirit it was intended. Unfortunately someone guessed wrong here. The rational response, given that this wasn't trash tossed on her lawn (and you are really reaching with that one), would have been to call the number on the included placard and request that they be removed. I'm sure this would have resulted in an apology and retrieval of the offending lawn ornaments. Instead she went directly to the police and started invoking the name of dead presidents to the local news.

Honestly, how could she expect to not be on the receiving end of some ridicule?

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So where do you draw your line? What can I attach to the front of your house? Can I use tape? String? Can I just lay stuff everywhere along your walk...no attaching, just laying? Christmas is coming up, can I put a manger scene on your lawn for someone else's money? No? Why not? Can I put a lit cross on your yard? It's just for a fundraiser! Sure, sure, pink flamingos don't have any charged meaning behind them...so I'll just place 10,000 Norwegian troll dolls in your yard instead of the manger or flaming cross. What? Because it's 10,000 that's different somehow? Don't worry! All of this will be a light-hearted way for me to make money for orphans who love orphaned puppies that are about to be put down. I imagine the guy giving me the money knows you, honest.

It's not trash. It's litter. There's a difference. Trash is litter too...if it's left on someone's front yard without their permission.

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No actual damage (unless trampling of said lawn by news crews counts).

Handy number to call to get it all cleaned up.

No worries.

This isn't about flamingos. Its not about lawns or property, or vandalism either. Its about HEY LOOK AT ME VICTIM OF HORRIBLE CRIME ... except it isn't a crime, it isn't horrible, and it came with an easy undo button she chose not to push.

So much faux outrage and trite themes: imagined property rights, misuse of history, "kids today are evile and we were sooo perfect", and grandstanding here instead. If her goal was GIT OFFFA MYYYYY LAWWWWWN, she's now going to be cleaning up all sorts of stuff that doesn't belong there - which is wrong, but not unpredictable.

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So, it really is all fun and games until someone breaks something? Great criteria. What is "actual" damage? Are these "virtual" damage? When there's actual damage, what then? You think it'll be too far when they sink one of those flamingo rods into someone's lawn care system. Great, a measure of a good fundraising project is how long it can go before it creates damages for an innocent victim.

Because they left a number to call, that makes it okay? I'll be sure to print out little notes to poke in my dog's piles that have my number. That way if anyone doesn't want to clean it up themselves then I'll come back and get it later.

Ah. So, there's the crux. She's not a victim of any crime (however minor it may be) because of how she behaved afterwards by calling the police and news. Nice...and this from one of the staunch defenders of the slut walk?

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Right. Stick to what you know.

They damaged nothing. There was an implicit offer to clean it up. She doesn't have tresspassing signs up, so ... no, she's not a victim of any crime to begin with.

She's not a victim of anything other than her poor grasp of history and misplaced sense of outrage and entitlement writ large over newspaper and TV alike.

This woman has issues, and now more than her neighborhood knows about them. (and, yes, I know people in her neighborhood and I'll stop at that).

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We're in prime UHub thread mode. Swirly has a personal, first-hand insight on the issue. All we need are some police procedure quotes from Mr. Nice, Eeka's take on the issue from the mental health field, some rambly herlady rant from Fishy and obnoxious bullshit from LaTulippe and we'll have the equivalent of UHub Thanksgiving Dinner table of dysfunctional family members arguing over the role of government in our lives. But normally I rely on Uncle Kaz to speak reason -- he must have been hitting the hot toddies a little too hard.

Nice to know the threads can metastasize like this just on rogue pink flamingos.

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The crime would be whatever Quincy has as their littering bylaw which some towns have. There is no state statute for littering on private property or for trespassing without notice on a front lawn which isn't enclosed anyway. If the students did it two more times you could have a harrassment crime.

But my opinion? This wasn't the right thing to do by these kids but come on lady. Relax.

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Ask Arlo Guthrie. It's a state law, MGL Ch270;S16 (my emphasis).

Whoever places, throws, deposits or discharges or whoever causes to be placed, thrown, deposited or discharged, trash, bottles or cans, refuse, rubbish, garbage, debris, scrap, waste or other material of any kind on a public highway or within 20 yards of a public highway, or on any other public land, or in or upon coastal or inland waters, as defined in section 1 of chapter 131, or within 20 yards of such waters, or on property of another, or on lands dedicated for open space purposes, including lands subject to conservation restrictions and agricultural preservation restrictions as defined in chapter 184, shall be punished by a fine of not more than $5,500 for the first offense and a fine not to exceed $15,000 for each subsequent offense;

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...I see. Kaz. Have you actually listened to that song? Keep digging.

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Given the length of the wars we have engaged in, and the lack of money for enticements, perhaps the little Flockers were trying to build a case for exclusion from conscription?

Hmmmm.

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...I'm sure you wouldn't mind that the Occupy Boston people either be arrested or kicked out because camping out where they are is illegal.

Since when did you get this hair across your ass? As a rule, you tend to be passionate, yet sensible and rational. But littering? Jeez. I actually thought you were kidding at first.

Edit: I just noticed JohnW's 'hair across your ass' statement. Take the hint.

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And you will see the state would not prosecute littering under this statute which is intended for garbage and not pranks like flamingos. The "other material of any kind" is going to be interpreted as garbage and not things like flamingo.

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I don't rate? You couldn't have said, "... and Suldog will somehow tie this in with his Thanksgiving Comes First rants"?

Well, ha-ha, Mr. W, I just did! And just for leaving me out, I'm going to agree with Kaz (see below)! So there!

[sticks tongue out and waggles fingers in ears]

Suldog
http://jimsuldog.blogspot.com

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For that behavior you're confined to the kids' table with sockpuppet, roadman, Brett and RhoninFire....FOODFIGHT FOODFIGHT!!!

There's just so many characters on this list. Hard to fit them all in. We should start a slow-pitch softball team. Or a bocce team.

Lawn darts?

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As long as it's not somebody else's lawn.

*ahem*

Anyway, considering some of the hotness generated during this discussion, it might turn into chest darts.

Suldog
http://jimsuldog.blogspot.com

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...why d'ya have to go draggin Jane Russell into this?

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Sounds like she's fucking crazy to me!

I'm thinking she has some sort of aviarihumordysmorphism. You know, the disorder where ya fail to see that flamingos in a lawn is FUNNY.

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Because fecal matter is an appropriate comparison.

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Most likely done by a family or relative for fun

(That won't come forward now because of better judgment to be associated with this crackhead)

Hate to be this ladies neighbor. Sounds like the sort of person that if your dog broke out of it's leash / kennel and took a dump on her lawn she'd shoot the poor thing.

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While the reaction from the offended party may seem over the top to some of you, it's the principle of the thing that matters. People have a right to expect that their property will not have been used by other people, whatever the possibly noble cause, however you might react to a similar situation, and despite not having posted signs specifically asking folks not to use said property.

Would I have reacted as she did? Probably not. I think I would have laughed, to tell you the truth, and then decided whether or not to make a contribution based upon the personalities and manners of the kids who showed up to clean them off of my lawn. But I don't find this woman's reaction unreasonable in the least.

Suldog
http://jimsuldog.blogspot.com

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Don't we have the right to laugh at this lady though? The whole reason this story is even being talked about is because of how this lady is overeacting. Imagine if the news went to her house and she just laughed and said she though it was funny? Would it have even been on the news then?

The issue isn't whether or not someone has the legal right to put something on someone elses property. The issue is this woman having a fit over something minor like this. There are people with serious problems in the world and and overeaction like this puts things in perspective for someone like me. I wish problems like this were all I had to worry about in my life.

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It's the farthest thing from a laughing matter.

It's not funny. Not at all.

I am reminded of the time that the bible quote sandwich board guy was getting heckled out at Sproul plaza and he started screaming "Stop your filthy sodomizing laughter."

Didn't help.

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Pete:

Sure, you can laugh. Laughing is a good thing, generally. As a matter of fact, it's one of the favorite things I do with my body. I'd rank it about fourth.

But I honestly do think this is somewhat important. As Kaz has pointed out so well, by bringing the scenario to absurd extremes, it is not the black-and-white no-harm-no-foul issue so many here like to make it out to be.

As for the woman personally, we don't know her situation. We don't know if she has had some previous hideous instance of trespass, or defacing of her property, or whatever. It may seem a ridiculous overreaction on her part, but maybe there's a past history to consider?

(Just throwing that out as a possibility. I'm not saying we need to investigate every person's background before making a joke.)

I, too, wish all problems were as relatively minor as this is to some of us. That doesn't mean it isn't important at all.

Suldog
http://jimsuldog.blogspot.com

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When you run to the police, and then the media; you WILL be judged in a very open court of public opinion. That's the point of doing so.

I'm sorry if she can't grasp that, but it's what happens when you make a scene. She thinks her argument was right, but she's finding out she was wrong. I'd be more with you on this if it was a private matter, it was dragged up, and she didn't want to comment to the cameras. Thats not whats going on.

She deserves any and all ridicule coming her way. She is the one over reacting, and she's not being smart about her way of going about this in our media saturated and connected world.

Even if it was a prank by some scurrilous neighbor; the school, children and charity have no way of knowing.

Think of the alternative way to spin this: She knows it was done to spite her; so she contact the media and tells her story about some neighbor that's been messing with her and how she knows that's the real reason for the donation; but she understands it's not the school/kids fault. So, she pledges to donate $50 to the charity, because it's a good call, despite the mean and wrong initial act from some anonymous rabble rouser.

Honestly, she comes off looking better, the charity and kids win, and the jerk fails in his attempt to goad her into looking like a crazy old cat lady thats out of touch with reality.

Unfortunately, whoever made the donation seems to be the one who's in the know about her.

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In teh court of lulz.

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There was a flocker involved - somebody paid to have this done. If you want to put blame on somebody, blame them. Have a ball. ;-)

But man, on the grand scale of things, this is pretty far down there for things to get pissed off about.

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We've been around these parts since the 1620's and have some very unique property laws.

Funny enough, in this case, it seems (historical) rationality won out with the cops finding no laws broken.

Imagine that, you can't bludgeon someone to death for stepping on, or harmlessly putting something on your property.

If it were Texas we might be reading bout two students shot in the back.

Anyways, I do. This every person is an island, anti-social behavior popping up is revolting. It seems to be a boomer thing, left over from the 80's. Hopefully the next generation, with it's social media plug in, figures out a way to be more social and friendly. Hover parents aren't helping that cause though.

:end rant:

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I had a neighbor like her when I was growing up. A baseball that drifted onto his lawn was a major concern and you would think that the world was coming to an end when I drifted onto his (not well demarcated) property with my father's lawnmower.

He was wound a little too tight. He ended up blowing his head off with a rifle in his basement.

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Kaz, as someone else above said, you're usually one of the voices of reason here -- who put the hair 'cross your ass on the flamingo-fund raiser issue? As a charity gimmick I think the idea is a bit wacky -- sounds more like extortion -- "we'll put crap you don't want on your lawn until you cough up some cash." I'd prefer a car wash or a bake sale.

But we're not talking burning crosses, loaded symbols or inordinate numbers of things that would really inconvenience you. It's a dozen or so pieces of plastic and a small sign (that includes a contact number, if you want to chew someone out). To quote George Costanza, "You know, we're living in a society!" I assume you take a vociferous stand on trick or treating as well. Who are these assholes coming up to my door and disturbing me in the evening, asking for sugary hand-outs with the threat of so-called "tricks"?

Mole hill-Mountain transformation time -- how did the news get involved in this anyways? I assume the cops called them up, because if this woman actually called the media to draw attention to this "injustice" then she deserves all the derision she gets, but somehow I doubt she was the one that called it in.

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...and the rest are being unreasonable.

This notion that it's okay to do this because it didn't "inconvenience" anyone is clearly not true. That's why I ask where the line is drawn. If a dozen plastic flamingos isn't "inconvenience" to deal with, then why stop at a dozen? Clearly, as demonstrated by this woman's complaint, she was inconvenienced. She shouldn't have to proactively tell someone post facto that they shouldn't have left stuff on her yard. That's the definition of littering.

As far as trick-or-treating goes, it's an improper analogy. Nobody leaves anything by knocking on your door. You have no obligation to answer a knock at the door. It's not trespass (as has been pointed out here) unless you're told to leave and don't. Anyone can knock on your door during reasonable hours. However, nobody is allowed to leave anything in your yard...again, otherwise, where's the line drawn? Why draw it wherever you see fit? Isn't there a law that covers where that line is drawn? Oh, yes, there is...it's called littering and it says you can't leave anything you want on my property.

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Yes, everything you have said is factually correct and in line with the expectations of the law. It could also be considered disputatiously punctilious (thesaurus work out). Or to just lose the search for the right word, how about -- you ever get stuck in a dinner party with a bunch of lawyers or a gaggle of engineers? About as much fun as plucking nasal hairs and as precise.

It's a big world full of assholes. Pick your battles. Pink flamingos on your lawn as part of a high school fundraiser?

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ah yes, the "no i am right and everybody is wrong" argument. Very strong indeed.

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She made herself a target. If JA is rolling in his grave it's from laughing.

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... more like. Not only does she lack historical insight, she couldn't just call the "remove flamingoes" number and be done with it. She had to make a state/federal/interpol case out of it on TV.

While picking on her physical appearance is kind of out of bounds, UHub has so far been pretty mild compared to the reception this woman received on masscops.com ...

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No one here has mentioned this woman's appearance. She's been called out as having no sense of humor and questionable yard decorations.
(Although one of the comments on the WHDH page did use the term "tinker's toot." I think that's a little outta line.)

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Father text me laughing about it and then mentioned it as a fire hazard. said the cops should have sent over the fire inspector to inspect everything that wasn't a flamingo.

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Kaz, you've said enough in your 7 interview, no need for phony third person comments. Never again will night thugs of Quincy terrorize your shrubbery with their pink pikes.
(Does that sound dirty?)

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is it officialy "rose' whine" with the pink tint on the whole matter?

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/firstworldproblems?

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I get the humor of pink flamingos but it doesn't change that the action was disrespectful. Making the situation worse is the condescension of the principal by putting responsibility for not having the objects onto the homeowner.

But what is with the ridicule of the woman? That's crude. Or is just an opportunity to put somebody down?

I believe that the incident demonstrates a refusal to respect simple boundaries. The woman's yard is her property and is part of her home. In terms of right and wrong littering a person's home is wrong. It might not be legally actionable trespassing but at a basic level of manners and respect it is still trespassing.

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Like instead of filing a police complaint, trying to get a criminal charge brought forth? Or running to the media for attention, over something that the police said was not illegal, had no malice intent, and didn't really effect anyone? That was all done by a Charity group mind you?

Yeah, some simple social boundaries were overstepped alright.

There were no criminal boundaries overstepped.

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How does this flocking work? Am I the flock-er and pay $20 to have someone's yard flocked, or am I the flock-ee and pay $20 to have the students come remove the flamingos?

If it's flocker, then what happens to the flamingos? Is the flockee supposed to throw them away, or pay another $20 chain-letter style to have them sent to someone else?

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Removal is free, but the idea is that other will find it amusing and pay to have their friends hit, thus their friend, ect. It's a sort of pay it forward model for a good cause.

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http://www.flamingofundraising.com

Sounds like it's actually run by the local groups so the rules are more like suggestions.

From the homepage: "In the dead of the night, your members place the flamingos in the yards of the friends that all of your supporters paid to have “Flamingoed”. Each of the flocks will have a note explaining how a friend of theirs paid to have them “Flamingoed” in support of your fundraiser. Also, the note will let them know that if they pay your group a donation, you will remove the flock and send it to the yard of any friend that they choose."

They have the text of the notes to include, which says, "If you would like to specify the next victim, all we ask is a small donation to our group. Of course, the removal of these flamingos will be done at no charge, so please don’t hurt our pink feathered friends."

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If I got flocked, I would let them sit there a few days and enjoy it, then ask for the flockers to remove and reuse the flamingos. I definitely wouldn't rant on TV. ;-)

So, who wants to pitch in and get Kaz flocked? ;-)

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...insensitive bastard!!! A man's yard is his castle!

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"A man's house is his castle; and whilst he is quiet, he is well guarded as a prince in his castle."

It was spoken by James Otis at the State House in the presence of John Adams who was so moved that he made it part of the Massachusetts State Constitution.

But, hey, she's crazy to bring up John Adams into all of this...

Maybe we should amend that to say:

"A man's house is his castle; and whilst he is quiet, he is well guarded as a prince in his castle....unless someone wants to put pink flamingos in the moat for charity; tough shit then, prince."

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Maybe my reading comprehension sucks, but I interpreted that quote as "the rational man does not invite overblown scrutiny and attention to his castle".

The exact opposite of what we have here.

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Score a few points on that one. (yell down into the hole) Hey Kaz! When the canary keels over you'd best come up for some fresh air!

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..what about a Woman's house?

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Being anon has it advantages!

(just kidding Kaz)

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I think a good flocking is just what Kaz needs.

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Flock 'em if they can't take a joke.

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Who used this term "meticulously manicured lawn?"

It didn't look that special to me.......

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Professional landscaper here - her entire yard is what we refer to as 'Disneyland'.

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Kaz is right on this one. I wonder if she had called the cops while the kids were ON her property if they would have seen this in a different perspective.

Only fundraising idea that is more ridiculous is sending kids out into traffic in intersections, I've seen it done on Malnea Cass Boulevard and it always boggles my mind that some adults think this is ok.

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Get one of Ms. Coakley's numerous teen relatives to tape a couple of "sinsiter" wires to a flamingo or two and watch the fun when she calls the bomb squad.

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http://gawker.com/5855945/woman-needs-to-chill-out...

I'm shocked, shocked that the Gawkanistas don't see things Kaz's way.

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They don't get the REAL conversations going at Gawker anyways. On UHub this same story got discussions of what James Otis said to John Adams, legal analyses and a comparison of south shore versus Italian crypts. And an Arlo Guthrie reference! You can get anything you want at Adam's Restaurant (excepting Adam)."

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She says her issue is that "John Adams is rolling in his grave" So perhaps she is a psychic and feels the disturbance from the crypt.

What I really would like to know is how; with major news stories from Occupy Boston to the October snow storm and Herman raising Cain, did any news team have the time to stop by and interview Abbott?

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This is almost as stupid as the Whose Food protests. "Lighten up Francis!"

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