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What does race have to do with the law though?
By Pete Nice
Thu, 03/29/2012 - 6:33pm
The Taylor case does involve race, but I don't see how this law does.
Get Him OUT!
By Pikadon
Thu, 03/29/2012 - 7:17pm
I hate Deval Patrick lets get him up out of there!
Seriously?
By SwirlyGrrl
Fri, 03/30/2012 - 10:07am
Maybe you should start a recall election drive then, instead of trolling a blog.
But be warned that that's actual work. Lots of actual work.
I agree. Its extraordinarily
By anon
Thu, 03/29/2012 - 9:58pm
I agree. Its extraordinarily racist to assume that the person attacking the "victim" who is standing his or her ground would be a minority.
Are his bodyguards exempt
By anon
Thu, 03/29/2012 - 7:54pm
If the governor doesn't support this then why is he surrounded by bodyguards armed to the teeth. Are they exempt from prosecution if they have to defend him.
Pretty sure the Gov's guard
By aragusea
Thu, 03/29/2012 - 10:28pm
Pretty sure the Gov's guard consists of state police. This bill is about civilians, not LEOs.
I'm pretty sure the poster
By Anon
Sat, 03/31/2012 - 10:27am
I'm pretty sure the poster was just pointing out the irony of the Governor telling people they can't stand their ground and defend their property while at the same time he is protected by Troopers with guns.
Hmm. Not sure what you mean
By aragusea
Sun, 04/01/2012 - 11:59am
Hmm. Not sure what you mean by "defend their property." Do you mean defend their home? Because the "castle doctrine" is already well enshrined in our legal system; a civilian has some liberty to use deadly force against an intruder in her home (or car, or workplace, depending on the state).
As I understand it, "stand your ground" laws don't have anything to do with that. They backpedal the legal concept known as "duty to retreat," meaning a civilian's first responsibility in any potentially violent confrontation outside of her home (or car, workplace, etc) is to try to avoid it. The basis for that concept (which descends from English Common Law) is the assumption that police officers (including the Governor's guard) are trained to use force safely and appropriately, whereas civilians are might not be. Therefore, force should only be used by civilians as a matter of last resort, with the exception of situations covered by the castle doctrine.
I'm not arguing for or against "stand your ground," I'm just saying that the OP's comparison between people like George Zimmerman and Patrick's security detail is inapt in this context, and I fail to see the irony.
Hmm...
By anon
Thu, 03/29/2012 - 8:37pm
If you abandon something the first time a bad mistake occurs, then why didn't you get rid of all MBTA drivers the first time they got into a bad accident?
Just sayin'
Was this the first time?
By anon
Thu, 03/29/2012 - 11:10pm
The reason we know about it is that people made a stink. The police were content to sweep it all under the rug.
How many more cases have their been like this? Just saying.
Thank you
By anon
Thu, 03/29/2012 - 11:42pm
Whoever recommended me, and hence got what I was saying.
To abandon something because a single bad mistake occurred is akin to discarding your car the first time the engine has problems. It's a complete, partisan, political decision that disregards all else. A simple knee-jerk reaction.
Not a single bad mistake.
By anon
Fri, 03/30/2012 - 12:29am
Not a single bad mistake. Florida's justifiable homicide rate increased dramatically after the passage of the Make My Day Law.
Not just one mistake...
By sister_luke
Fri, 03/30/2012 - 9:24am
The Miami Herald has an article detailing other cases where the "Stand Your Ground" law was used:
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/24/2710297_p2/s...
I can't wait to shoot all the people that say something I don't
By davidvandamage
Fri, 03/30/2012 - 7:30am
like and make me feel "threatened." Yeah, let's enact this law.
Just be sure to call 911 first
By HenryAlan
Fri, 03/30/2012 - 9:37am
That way, you can establish with the police that you feel threatened. It's a slam dunk get out of jail free card.
Open Season for Gang Bangers and Bad Neighbors
By SwirlyGrrl
Fri, 03/30/2012 - 10:06am
Can you just imagine how mobsters and gang bangers could use this?
Seriously - he was a "member of that family" or "member of that gang" and they hate us, so of course I opened fire on sight! He would have killed me first! Or "he yelled at me because I parked my car out front and I was afraid ..."
Lather, rinse, repeat.
Just wondering, how many gang
By Patricia
Fri, 03/30/2012 - 10:10am
Just wondering, how many gang bangers are licensed to carry? I think this bill would exclude any unlicensed firearms.
Apparently there was a case
By anon
Fri, 03/30/2012 - 7:45pm
Apparently there was a case down in Florida where two gangs were beefing and accidentally shot a bystander and they got off on the Stand Your Ground law.
We should
By johnf
Fri, 03/30/2012 - 10:55am
Support this bill. As a gun owner i have every right to protect myself and my property.
Yes you DO have that right
By CraigInDaVille
Fri, 03/30/2012 - 12:21pm
It already exists. No one is saying you should let the scary black men into your house to beat and rob you while you, the poor law-abiding citizen, must sit there and take it.
See what I did there? I took your point and ran to the most extreme option available to prove a point, with sarcasm. Hope it helps clarify how ridiculous your post is and how little it adds to the debate.
No you don't
By Kaz
Fri, 03/30/2012 - 3:18pm
As a gun owner, you should consider yourself lucky to even be allowed to own that death machine! The police will do all the defending you ever need, just call them. Your property is replaceable; get some homeowner's insurance. I hear Obama is going to outlaw handguns as soon as he's reelected anyways, so enjoy it while it lasts, but you won't need this law soon anyways!!
There. I gave you what you were looking for. Do you feel better now?
Relatively Quick Police Response
By SwirlyGrrl
Sat, 03/31/2012 - 9:10am
This isn't like Rural Oklahoma, where the 911 dispatcher has to hang on the line for 30 minutes with an armed teen mom dealing with an armed home invasion because the police just can't seem to get there quickly.
Oh, and the armed teen mom also barricaded the door with a sofa and waited for the guy to actually enter the home through the barricade and come at her. Even in MA that would be considered pretty reasonable.