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What happened to the Fitchburg train? At this point, who can explain?

Dead Fitchburg train

Changing trains on the tracks. Photo by Billy Lazarro.

Even normally pessimistic Fitchburg Line commuters probably didn't expect this: By 7 p.m., the 5:30 train to Fitchburg train hadn't moved more than a few feet from North Station. As Billy Lazarro explains, passengers finally walked down the track to another train, which also then just sat there.

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Given the number of commuter rail breakdowns posted each day in the alerts, I am dreading this coming winter.

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On my walk home from work over the Northpoint pedestrian bridge I saw this happen - the train 'dumped the air' from it's brakes, which is quite loud and hard to miss. Unfortunate for the delay to last so long even when they basically right next to the main maintenance facility.

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Every time there's another debacle like this, I'm astonished that we aren't reading about passengers torching the damn train.

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Like a group of commuters in Brazil did awhile back. Trashed and torched the train, they got so fed up with delays. We are too passive aggressive to do that.

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Someone told me long ago Trains will break before a storm,
I know; Delays been happ'nin' for some time.
When it comes, they'll never say, what's the reason for delay,
I'm stuck; Stranded in the station.

I want to know, Will they ever run this train?
I want to know, Will they ever run this train?
Get us home on a sunny day?

Yesterday, and days before, breakdowns and delays galore,
I know; Been that way for all my time.
'Til forever, on it goes Some don't run, the rest are slow,
I know; They just can't stop these blunders!

I want to know, Will they ever run this train?
I want to know, Will they ever run this train?
Get us home on a sunny day?

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"What difference – at this point, what difference does it make?"

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I thought it was just the Needham line that sucked Twinkies.

Me thinks the maintenance people are on a work slowdown with the change of providers....

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I think the Fitchburg line has sucked the chrome off the proverbial trailer hitch pretty consistently, and is especially bad in "winter" (meaning anytime it hasn't been sunny and at least 70 for two straight weeks). I have a coworker who lived on that line for a couple years and I know her commute got a lot better when she moved to the south shore.

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Yes, according to "my" regular commuter rail conductor, there is indeed something afoot with the commuter rail employees. Last week, the train before ours was cancelled for no given reason, filling our train beyond capacity, and therefore making it late. The conductor said that there was a "revolt" happening. This all happened on another train line that leaves from North Station.

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Revolt about what and against whom? And is it having any effect, other than to piss off, rip off and inconvenience the riding public?

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I don't know what the conductor meant by "revolt." Sorry. Though I agree with you - if there is indeed a silent protest going on, why not let the customers know about it? Maybe we would agree with the protestors' issues. As is, we're just left with the normal feeling that there's a low-level incompetence happening.

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And if multiplied by the maximum four passengers that can ride in an UberX, is it greater than the total UberX fare?

It's not the taxis that should be sweating, it's the MBTA.

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Ignoring surge pricing, UberX is still far more expensive than a CR fare - it's $10.50 NS to Fitchburg, do you think UberX could take you to the Fitch for less than $40...nope. Uber is still more expensive than the T

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Yeah, and adding 500 vehicles to Route 2 at rush hour won't cause any problems.

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I didn't tell our Legislature to underfund the T and I didn't tell the T to promise lifetime paychecks to people. Stop running crappy trains. Why should anybody tolerate bad service when they can be driven in a private car?

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Because its significantly cheaper. Those of us who depend on the T would like it to be better, but often can't afford the alternative.

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On the other hand, Porter to Belmont is $5.75 for all of 3 miles.

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I ask because UberX is dirt cheap these days. Three ladies got from Babcock St. to Warren Towers on Friday night for $5.83, or $1.95 a head. That's 15 cents cheaper than the Green Line, and they were in the car 30 seconds after requesting the ride and got home without stopping for anything but red lights.

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That's 1.5 miles. Fitchburg is 49.6 miles from North Station.

Assuming that same rate ($1.95/person/1.5 miles), it would cost $64.50 per person to take Uber instead of the train. Or $2,799 per month if you took Uber both ways every day. A zone 8 monthly is $330.

Uber is 9x more expensive than taking the commuter rail.

Even just going slightly farther down Comm Ave in your scenario the T would have been cheaper, since it stays the same $2.10 whereas Uber increases with distance.

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Taxicabs and Uber both charge a base fare + a time-varying fare and/or a distance-varying fare. I believe that for Uber it switches between time or distance based on your current speed at some threshold (11 mph maybe?).

Luckily for transport geeks like myself, we don't have to guess. The Uber app offers a neat little fare estimator. So if I plug in North Station and Fitchburg it quotes me "$64 to $86" for the UberX trip, with no surge. So in our hypothetical car-pooling scenario, that would be $16 to $21.50 per person. Clearly still not cheaper than the commuter rail, but not "9x more expensive" either.

I find it interesting, in these multimodal days, to compare costs like this and see where various alternatives shake out. For example, if you plug Waltham into the same app, then you get a quote of $15 to $20 overall or $3.75 to $5 per car-pool participant. That's cheaper than the Zone 2 fare of $6.25. In general, it seems that doing this car-pool thing could be equal or cheaper than riding the commuter rail at up to about Zone 1 or 2, and not too far off at Zone 3. The steep MBTA fare increases of the last five years have really made a difference.

But, as Ari and others have said, all of this analysis flies out the window at peak times. First of all, if a trainload of people all tried to summon cars to North Station, then there would be a huge shortage of drivers. Either that would be expressed as surge pricing for Uber, or lack of availability in the case of taxicabs or other services like Sidecar.

Second, even assuming you somehow sorted this out and got all those people into their own car-pools, you'd be adding several hundred cars to the already-busy roads and highways. In effect, the traffic congestion caused by everyone spreading out into separate vehicles would cause everyone's costs to go up because of the extra time spent sitting in traffic.

The MBTA is supposed to be able to offer a reliable, dedicated-way, reasonably-priced option that avoids all these problems. That it sometimes fails isn't a reason for everyone to suddenly try to arrange some sort of car-share, car-pool, train-replacement scheme, because that doesn't scale. It is, however, a good reason to fix the MBTA.

But the car-pooling, car-sharing idea does have merit at other times, I think, and should be considered if you have some friends with you. Depends on the specifics of the trip. I'm also interested to see how the ad-hoc car-pooling ideas pan out, the ones that some of the companies like Lyft are testing right now.

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Inbound train 458 arrived Porter Square around 6:15. The clueless passengers on board didn't know what they were getting into. It sat outside of Lechmere for 45 minutes and then was sent up a different set of tracks to Assembly Row where it turned around and went into North Station on tracks for other commuter rail lines. (Would it have been that hard to end this run at Porter and turn it around back to Fitchburg?)

Outbound train 423 left north station at 7:10 but failed to board the hundreds of passengers waiting at Porter Square.

Outbound train 425 left north station at 7:20, finally boarded at Porter Square. It was forced to make an unscheduled stop at Hastings and then hit freight interference in Ayer. Took it 2 hours to get from NS to Fitchburg

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Inbound train 458 arrived Porter Square around 6:15. The clueless passengers on board didn't know what they were getting into. It sat outside of Lechmere for 45 minutes

Just part of the quality service for which the T is so justly renowned. Why should we bother to tell you about a delay when there's still a chance to get off the train?

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This just in from the T:

Fitchburg/South #ActonLine Train 451 (7:32 am from North Station) delayed 30 to 40 minutes due to mechanical problem

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I live in the city, but we all know that the CR & the subway are two sides of the same coin. What's Baker's position on improving the MBTA?

I've tried poking around the internets to find an answer, but I can't get a straight answer. It seems to be wrapped up in "more transparency & accountability" but that doesn't say anything about the MBTA's finances or operations.

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If he's anything like the Weld-Cellucci-Swift-Romney era, it'll be hands-off, but no real change from the cash-strapped status quo. Whenever a pol in MA says something like "we need to ensure a transparent and accountable [agency]" they're basically saying that agency isn't going to see any new funding. I'd venture Baker is going to be about the same, no positive investment, but probably no major backsliding. Remember he was elected to be a competent administrator, not to manage public investment or to be a bearer of change, I don't see the MBTA achieving a correct funding source under a Baker administration.

We'll see how his relationship with the "Gateway Cities" goes, a lot of them would greatly benefit from increased transit access/frequency of transit and they did, essentially, propel him to the governorship.

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Instead of sinking money into more "transparency and accountability efforts", give that money to the agency so they can better provide their core services instead.

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No reps in communities outside of T service will ever allow anything more than subsistence funds to the MBTA. That's the problem with "accountability" - there's no endgame. Lopping the fat off an agency is a good thing, but it's only good if the state then provides the agency with more funds once the administrative house is in order so they can expanded and improve service with a competent, well-run management. We do the first bit often, but then forget to follow up so that "accountability" becomes end in-and-of-itself with no benefit to transit riders or drivers.

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I would add to this discussion that, regardless of any "Big Dig Baker" stuff, even if the Governor-elect decided tomorrow that he was going to double the T's budget on "day one" it would not matter. As we have discussed here many times before, the Legislature created the funding problem, and the Legislature must fix it.

Further, and more to the point directly above concerning communities outside of T service, Swirly's very good friend Mr. Rosenberg of Amherst is about to become Senate president, and that may not be a very good thing for the T and its riders.

Now, could Baker signal that he wants to begin to fix the T by fixing the funding issue (e.g., he could commit to not veto a bill to get more money to the T)? Probably (although it would be a difficult political pivot given his opposition to the inflation-indexed gas tax), but the inevitable trade off would be that the Boston Carmen's Union, amongst others, would have to take a big hit, and I think that we can comfortably say that that would be DOA in the Legislature.

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I guess the Gloucester line problems are just humorous by comparison.
I happened to be driving by Montserrat station in Beverly when the train came in. The front car seemed to be a new double decker with a small external signboard announcing it was arriving in West Concord. I couldn't imagine why they would spend the money on a signboard for the outside of a train unless the W Concord people often forget where they are. Perhaps the T is using Apple maps but I guess that joke is so 42 seconds ago.

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on the Rotem cars are supposed to announce the destination of the train, and are apparently an ADA requirement.

The reason I've been told by several MBCR (now Kelois) conductors why they announce stations the train is arriving at (and why the information is consistently erroneous) is because the older single level coaches that the Rotem cars are presently hooked up with (at least on the North Side) do not have compatible communications systems. Yes, I know, do you serve that up with a shingle?

Theoretically, this problem will apparently be fixed once they start running Rotem cars in straight sets, whit no single-level cars in between.

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You're mostly correct. The exterior signs on the Rotems display the same thing that's being displayed inside (except instead of resting at the date/time, they rest at the destination), which is nothing at all unless a Rotem is being used as the control car on the train. Then the signs will work correctly so long as the PTIS (computer system responsible for announcements, tracking, etc.) is correctly programmed for the train, which is only true about half the time. Essentially, only maybe 5% of the time a Rotem is leading the train and has the PTIS programmed correctly.

None of the single level cars have the signs or a PTIS unit capable of controlling them, and the T has no plans to change this, since they were intended to all be retired before they'd need another overhaul (which probably won't happen anymore due to the Rotem debacle). However, the older Kawasaki bilevels from the 90s are getting overhauled as we speak, which does include the signs. Essentially the overhauled card will be identical to the Rotems.

The soonest we would ever see consistently functioning destination signs would be whenever the single-level fleet is fully replaced, and conductors start actually programming the PTIS correctly.

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the exterior signs are meant to intentionally display the station the train is arriving at, when the interior signs are displaying that information, INSTEAD of showing the train's destination.

In a word - idiotic.

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Without the T programming them separately from the interior signs, essentially, yes. The only time they will display the destination at a stop is at the terminals.

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