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Two kids charged with murdering Dorchester teen
By adamg on Sat, 06/13/2015 - 5:47pm
UPDATE: The Globe reports the teens' mothers turned them in.
Boston Police report arresting two teens, 14 and 16, on charges they shot Jonathan Dos Santos to death on Fuller Street on Wednesday.
Both Dushawn Taylor-Gennis, 16, and the younger teen, who will be named after he is formally charged Monday, will be tried as adults, the Suffolk County District Attorney's office reports.
Police Commissioner William Evans praised community members for providing information the helped lead to the suspects:
We asked community members to step up and help us identify those responsible for this senseless murder and they did. And, for their help, we are grateful.
Innocent, etc.
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All I can say is
Yesssssssssssss! I know the "enlightened" justice system in our Peoples' Republic will not permit it, but I hope these two just spent their last night sleeping as free persons. May the closing of prison bars accompany their evening ritual until their souls go to the depths where they belong.
Apart from that I have no strong feelings in the matter.
How right you are that this
How right you are that this state will not allow it. Youthful offenders in this state cannot be committed to a natural life sentence. So even upon conviction they will be eligible for parole in 15-25 unless the judge puts in writing why it's such a threat to public safety that they never see freedom. I don't expect this case to qualify for that standard.
With the laws the way they are regarding juveniles, I believe it's more likely that gangs will recruit kids at gunmen. They typically won't go away for their entire lives and dependin on the age at the crime can be out by 30.
You grasp how parole works, right?
Yes, they could be up for parole by the time they are thirty (if convicted, of course), but nothing is automatic. They will have to prove that they have been rehabilitated, and the victim's family will be able to comment on their views on the matter.
And, of course, by the time they are eligible, they would have been in prison for more of their life than they spent out, including their entire 20s. So, killing this kid (if they are guilty and proven as such) won't work out to be the good deal you make it out to be.
I'm very familiar with how
I'm very familiar with how parole works. I don't consider this to be a good deal, as you've turned my words into something they are not.
I work in prison and with the court system in a daily basis.
I'm not saying they will definitely be out by the time they are 30. I'm just stating its a possibility. I fully understand that their behavior in prison, their willingness to complete programs, etc all come into play when considering parole.
Okay
But when you wrote
There was something implicit in that statement that juveniles will do the bidding of gang leaders due to some bizarre concept that the punishment will not be as severe. Now, assuming the sentence for a proposed crime is considered, I would not say that taking 15 to 20 years out of the prime of my life to settle a score would be a good bargain.
That said, my assumption is that people tend not to think about the legal consequences when they kill, but that might just be me.
Why? This is sad, sad, sad.
Why? This is sad, sad, sad. Please stop....
Heartbreaking.
Heartbreaking.
Great job by the Boston Police. I continue to believe we are blessed with the best Police Department in America.
And kudos to the DA for having the courage to charge these teens as adults. They committed an act from which there is no coming back from.
No Choice There
Murder is an adults-only charge. The juvenile courts have no jurisdiction, so they have to be charged as adults.
Always worth noting that this wasn't true until 1996
http://www.wbur.org/2013/11/05/massachusetts-juvenile-murder-cases
I personally think locking up somebody for life based on something they did at 14 is a crime against humanity, but maybe that's just European socialist-talk.
I'm sure the mother of the dead boy
disagrees with you. I would venture a guess and say you've never had an encounter with an armed 15 year old sociopath. These are not escapees from Father Flanagan's.
15% of my high school was in a gang
I've seen children commit drive-bys, stabbings, drug robberies. So please don't try to speak for me on how I only know sweet innocent children. I also live near Fuller and Washington, so the kids charged here directly impacted my neighborhood, and I'm not just reading about them on the interwebs.
And for the love of God don't try to speak for the mother. Not only is it incredibly offensive to wield her like that for a political argument, you actually have no idea what her opinions are on the matter.
Strangely, the argument of "ooga-booga look at how scary these kids are" does not change my opinion on the human rights of children. We can quibble about the rights of a 17 year old, but imprisoning a 14 year old for life is not only illegal in this country (thanks to a 2013 Supreme Court ruling), it's also a barbaric and cruel act of power which I find nearly as repugnant as the gang violence.
Massachusetts should be ashamed of its juvenile justice system.
Really?
Spend a lot of time in the witness stand testifying about all those crimes you witnessed? How about a drive-by? Can you give me the date of at least one of those drive-by's? Can you give me at least one crime I can pull a report of and see your name down as having given a statement as a witness?
Secondly, where did I say you knew only sweet innocent children? And I feel I can speak for the mother, as I have sat with more than one mother whose kid died from violence. I can give you some names if you'd like.
And as far as barbaric and cruel, you don't find the notion of barely into their puberty murderers barbaric and cruel?
Grow up. These little psychotics will. Then we'll see about "European socialism".
This is not worth getting in to
The drive-bys were in April 2004 and March 2005, both in Oklahoma City (where I grew up; worth noting that it's a much more violent town than Boston). No, I didn't talk to the police about them, but I was also far away both times - the first time I was on the opposite end of the street and didn't actually see anything, the second time I was in a car and drove away quickly. I was also a teenager without a cell phone and just did not see the point of calling after I got home.
"Can you give me at least one crime I can pull a report of and see your name down as having given a statement as a witness?"
No, I can't, because I didn't actually testify. OMG MAYBE I'M LYING ON THE INTERNET, GET THE INTERNET POLICE
Jesus Christ on a Cracker, dude, this is a blog! The only thing I know about you is that you're a jerk and you go by dvdoff on UHub. Calm down.
Not nearly as barbaric and cruel as a state run by post-pubescent people, mostly middle-aged or older, which decides its okay to imprison 14-year-olds for life without parole.
Here, maybe this is easier for an authoritarian douchenozzle like you to understand:
gang violence - shitty, awful, evil things perpetuated by individuals
life imprisonment of children - a horrible crime against humanity perpetuated by the state
I am much more upset about the second category than the first. A healthy state can fix gang violence, but I think a state that imprisons children for life is quite literally as evil as the gangs it goes after. I am not even slightly exaggerating here.
And one more thing
"Here, let me give you the names of mothers who lost their children to violence. That way I'll win the internet for sure!!!"
You are a preposterously shitty person.
Lot of words for something
not worth getting into. I'll just leave you with this:
Graham's Hierarchy of Disagreement lists name calling as the worst type of argument in a disagreement.
The saddest part is that
The saddest part is that three young black men have in essence lost their lives before they had any kind of shot at a good life. The murdered 16 year old and the two gunners who will now spend their youth in a prison. What is it all for? Is it just drugs or is it something else? Sad sad state of affairs when a neighborhood is held hostage by children with guns.
three families devastated.
and whose lives are irreparably changed.
Ego trippin'
All of these kids have ego problems. They are not men yet they want 2 b treated as such. Children don't wanna be children anymore.
When I was a kid
When I was a kid, I couldn't wait to be an adult either - you know...drive a car, drink a beer legally, get out into the world, etc. Murder didn't really fit into the equation.
neighborhoods held hostage
This is the scary, unnerving part.
Young people with weapons, knowing they instill fear in their neighborhoods and beyond.
When/if released from jail, will they reoffend in a much worse scenario?
Do either of these kids have
Do either of these kids have known parents? And are these known parents being held responsible? If not, why not?
From what I read earlier,
It was the mothers who turned the kids in. (From the Herald. Sorry.)
http://www.bostonherald.com/news_opinion/local_coverage/2015/06/14_year_...
Yup.
Fox news (I know, I know, I know), also reported this:
http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/29313068/2-arrested-in-connection-with-...
For the record, my first and favorite news source is Uhub.
"Why aren't the parents being held responsible?"
Probably because "being biologically related to a criminal" isn't a crime, and the police don't charge parents with nonexistent crimes while they're cooperating in a murder investigation.
But thank you for what I am sure is your deep and heartfelt concern...
i dont see how
you could possibly charge the kids as adults and then also hold their parents responsible
Im not saying that i know for a fact you cant, but it would be pretty mind boggling if you could
You're assuming rationality
You're assuming rationality and logic in our criminal justice system, aren't you.