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Not everybody's a fan of the Walhberg version of the Marathon bombings
By adamg on Tue, 12/20/2016 - 3:18pm
Sean Burns, for one:
The movie spends so much time fellating its bogus hero, were it about an actual living person “Patriots Day” would feel like a North Korean propaganda film. ...
The filmmakers have no time for civilian heroes like Carlos Arredondo, who you surely remember as the man in the cowboy hat from that iconic finish line photo. Here he’s been erased from history to make more room to celebrate the phony white movie star hero.
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I'm not sure what people
I'm not sure what people expected from The Happening's Marky Mark, the little guy who said he would have prevented 9/11 by himself.
No one should be surprised.
Marky Mark is the same guy the racially attacked an elderly man and has refused to apologize for it til this day. exploiting a tragedy probably doesn't even break the top 25 of immoral things this townie has done.
Stay in hollywood walhbag. boston is too intelligent and sophisticated for you now.
- the original sobo yuppie
First of all...
...townies are from Charlestown. The Wahlbergs are Dorchester. Period.
You want a good read or movie? Try "The Finest Hours". The book is about the Pendleton rescue in 1952 (I think, possibly 1953). A ship breaks up off the Cape and the Coast Guard, in a motor lifeboat is called upon.
There's a movie by the same title. It's got Ben Affleck in it and it's by Disney. Don't let that put you off. It's a hell of a movie. Think 'A Perfect Storm' level of movie gripping goodness.
Its actually Casey Affleck
Its actually Casey Affleck and I thought the movie was good as well.
Stay on topic
based on your response....so it sounds like you are OK with him assaulting an elderly man.
He actually has apologized
He actually has apologized but don't let your hatred of Boston stop you from spewing falsehoods.
my bad..
he did.. so he can get pardoned.
so nice of him.
he did not get pardoned
he likely would've been denied anyway, but he wound up dropping the request.
I'm still waiting
For everyone who screamed and moaned and made every local newsstand pull that Rolling Stone issue off the shelves to get equally incensed at any local movie theater shoving this in our faces.
The sensitivity of a special-snowflake face
Every time I see this idiotic expression, I wonder what kind of world the person using it lives in, and I conclude that they live in a world where they have never had anything at all "shoved in their face" in even the most figurative sense. Given how much you have to pony up to take a seat in "any local movie theater", how on earth is simply showing the movie "shoving this in our faces"?
another movie
I went to a local movie theater and paid to see another film. The first or second trailer to screen was for Patriots Day. I have made every effort to avoid the trailers and any news of this movie (and that other one) and yet, here it was, thrown in my face, and I was paying for the privilege.
Oh my god, THROWN IN YOUR FACE!!!
Well...I guess I'm authentically sorry if your level of sensitivity is really that high. I have to wonder, though, about all the other people who go to movies and put up with scenes of movies that they wouldn't pay to see, and that might actually be offensive to them, and yet who don't get in such a state of dudgeon about the previews. If someone doesn't like the idea of interracial couples, would you be ok with them being as upset about a preview of "Loving" as you are about this preview?
This is a "no win" situation
No matter what kind of movie someone makes, some group of people will hate it or be insulted by it. It goes with the territory of something that is so personal to people in Boston. That doesn't mean that the movie is bad or that the insulted person is wrong. It's just the way it is.
I figured Wahlburg's ego would rear it's ugly head
He'd have to be the hero and they'd cover it up by saying his character was an amalgam of several real people (which they did). Apparently they get a lot right except for the main character, in lieu of real people who deserved attention though. There's another movie based on Bauman's book coming out in the next year that should be more accurate:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stronger_(film)
Actually, a bad movie can just be...bad
In fact, there are at least two movies that are widely held (by both reviewers and much of the general Bostonmetro populace) to have been pretty decent tellings of the story of the Marathon bombing and its aftermath.
The Hunt for the Boston Bombers and Marathon: The Patriots Day Bombing were each favorably recieved by most reviewers and the viewing public. There were things some didn't like about them, but overall, no screaming and yelling, and little in the way of folks feeling insulted. Tellingly, both were documentaries.
So it seems less that this is Bostonians looking to be upset for its own sake and more that Marky W. just made a crappy movie (again).
Hollywood wants heroes
Men In Charge who Save Things!
Not real people who work together after years of training and in a fully cooperative spirit seamlessly taking care of all the little and big things with a lot of communication but very few orders from anyone in command.
They want red state "reality", not blue state competence and coordination and professionalism.
nice work
sliding the red state/blue state division into a comment about a movie.
Hero who is being picked on by having to follow rules!
The elites just don't understand him!
If you can't see how very red state that attitude is, you need to wake up.
Zzzzz Zzzzz ZZzzz
Sorry, I needed to wake up.
This is a Hollywood product. Hollywood is red-state now? Suuuure. Maybe if this were a Mel Gibson / Bruce Willis / Kelsey Grammer Production.
Hate to break it to you, but
Hate to break it to you, but a police force isn't some basket weaving collective, they are an organization with a top-down command structure with the rank and file being told what to do by those in charge.
Hate to break it to you
But that's the superstructure of emergency response. It isn't the on-the-ground reality of emergency response.
Most emergency response is in the training to coordinate, communicate, and jump into your service role with a certain amount of flexibility.
A top-down command structure cannot deal with chaos in a fluid way unless there are people on the the ground at the front line who are enabled to constantly make decisions, within a defined set of limits (hence the need for training). The top of the command chain, or even mid-levels of a command chain, cannot possibly deal with the flow of 2-way communication with those ground force responders and make all the decisions that need to be made. This is very much like how your spine coordinates much of the neural activity needed to walk and pretty much leaves your brain out of the routine things. Much of that command is devolved to lowest levels, which interact closely with each other to cover the entire mess.
It is amazing to watch this in action, if you ever sit in on a drill. Perhaps you would learn something about how professionals carry out their duties and train for disasters.
..real people who work
Cooperative. Spirit. Seamless. Communication. Few orders. ?
Coordinated & professional?
Does that include the part the night of the firefight (particularly the aftermath - the pursuit and search) where orders from those in command to officers rushing in from all points to join the effort - DO NOT SELF-ASSIGN, DO NOT ENTER SEARCH PERIMETER - were ignored and they had to spend time reining people in and figuring out who was where?
Brave people, all, and eager to help - but not the coordinated, professional, seamless response you'd want in a textbook scenario. Of course, real life and adrenaline happen.- and it's hard to program that into textbooks.
Firefight
Those were not people who had worked together or trained together.
Apparently they don't have the time for Officers...
Apparently, they don't have time for Police Officers who lost their lives in the line of duty as well. Dennis O. Simmonds Jr., who was one of the first to respond to the Tsarnaev's bomb throwing in Watertown and who also had an IED thrown his way that knocked him to the ground, passed away April 14, 2014 from injuries sustained from the bomb throw. He wasn't even mentioned in the rolling credits.
I found the Herald reader!
Opinions sure are like *ssholes....everybody has one....
Yes, I read the article featured in the Herald. Did I get my information from the Herald? Nope! Wouldn't that have been so nice as to have no connection to the Officer who lost his life, much like you. Rather, my connection with Officer Simmonds runs much deeper than that. People like you are part of the problem. If you have nothing constructive to say, why bother? Oh, you must be one of those "my first amendment rights protects my free speech" kind of people, you know the ones who insist that their useless opinion must be heard. And yes, what you wrote was an opinion, as you have no idea who or what my sources are.
This was in The Globe as well
This was in The Globe as well.
And WBZ.
And WHDH.
We cops aren't happy about this.
But troll away, good sir.
- a Boston Cop.. (who was at the bombings. And Watertown.)
Keep fighting the good fight
You know...against the terrorists. Not the one against the movie people.
I'm of the opinion that the movie was pointless and didn't have to be made in the first place. That basically puts me on your side. I don't like the people involved with the movie because of what they've done either.
But, feel free to attack me just because I also think trying to attack the movie makers for not making a documentary or including every aspect of every real life impact on you, your friends, or the city in their made-up story. I'm sure that will be the best way to get us all to remember Officer Simmonds' sacrifice. Do it by using the local media to create a petty squabble with the land of make-believe and then bark at anyone who responds in a manner you don't deem fit for purpose.
Well, carry on then. I feel there are better ways to make his story known than that.
How do you insert into a
How do you insert into a dramatization that takes place over five days that one of the characters dies a year later? It makes sense to leave it out.
You put a memorial in the credits
"In Memory Of Officer ... " That's how.
At the end of the film, they
At the end of the film, they loop through those who lost their lives and left out Simmonds. Assuming this is so, that is ridiculously dumb. Especially since the officers who had a screening at the premiere have asked them to add him since the premiere that happened , so it would have been feasible to make a last minute edit and avoid the controversy. You put in a picture and some words and you're done. Stupid they didn't do so in the first place.
Part of the criticism a stretch
Burns is all miffed that Carlos Arredondo isn't portrayed in the movie, but he glosses over the fact that there is no Jeff Bauman character either. Sorry, but if there is no Bauman, there is no Arredondo. And unlike Burns, I've known Carlos for about a decade, so I begrudge him nothing.
Now, Bauman's role in identifying the Tsarnaevs is crucial, so he probably should have appeared, but I'm guessing that Walhberg and Berg are deferring to the "Stronger" people.
he was guiding
Carlos was guiding the wheel chair not pushing it. Who was the Asian women who was actually doing all the work pushing. She's the hero amongst many others
One thing she has not done is get in front of every camera that covers this terrorist attack. Unlike him.
Maybe its time to comes to terms that his possibly fame is over as well as the dancing blond who's never seen a camera she didn't like either.
Who is she again?
Bickerton
Appropriate name for this type of comment.
At least
I can say who I am. Unlike you and many others who have an alias. Show some balls. I hold my head high. You and others hide. FOR WHAT? Ashamed of your own opinion?
Serously?
Where were you and what were you doing when all this went down - cowering behind your sofa?
I was
Playing golf on Cape Cod which I took up after being discharged from the United States Marine Corps after a 3 hitch 1974.
Then I came home to Dorchester to hear my son ( an immediate first responder) tell me one of my neighbors were killed.
NEXT!!!
Craig Caplan
Carlos is a good man. He was heroic that day. There is no reason to disparage him.
Mark Wahlberg on the other hand.....what a putz.
Seriously? Please post Adam
As an anon who posts infrequently but sincerely I'm getting a little sick of the tone from a few of the registered users.
Seems anything goes and insults can fly if you register but good luck getting a post in calling this out.
The Eastie drug bust thread that turned into a deportation argument is a great case in point.
Registered user basically admitted to be unhinged and apologized for his rant but commnets were shut down, even civil ones by the likes of me.
Disappointing, Adam.
(BTW, FWIW, I'm usually in agreement with the regulars but it's getting out of hand.)
An Anon is annoyed!
Don't pick at me, dear. I'm not the one who is rating and judging the heroism of others who were there, who didn't run, and were actively saving lives when I was far away. I think that set the tone, don't you?
How the hell can you make
How the hell can you make such an assumption? You do realize, I hope, that a few BPD officers post here and do so anonymously to protect themselves.
You might've just insulted one of them who was not "cowering behind their sofa" when all this went down.
What noble and brave thing were you doing that day? Trolling in the comment section?
Huh?
What the hell are you talking about?
Guy comes in here and smears a guy who saved a guy who ID'd the bombers, and we are supposed to worship him because he plays golf?
No
Definitely not.
What assumption?
That was a theory based on his hateful and judgemental tirade against a man whose selfless actions led to a quick resolution of the case.
FTR, I was buying beers in a San Francisco hotel bar for a colleague at a conference, who was also a child of high ranking BPD brass and was sharing her closed twitter feed. That, and being grateful that my husband and one son were with me, and the other son was in Italy. The son in SFO ended up using all our data plans comforting his friends via Skype during the night. He would have been with them otherwise - they were between the bombing sites and traumatized.
Whooosh
It's because you were bickering.
scumquistador
is my legal designation tyvm
Who Cares?
So he's been in front of a camera and he was to the side of the wheelchair instead of in back of it... so what?? He was there during the bombings. He was doing what he could during a time of crisis. He had blood on his hands from helping the injured. He's a hero. So were the others helping. Full stop.
While you were playing golf ...
... that Real Hero wasn't guiding the chair or pushing it.
You conveniently omitted what Carlos was actually doing, in your quest to smear him.
What was he doing?
He located Bauman's severed and stripped femoral arteries and pinched them off with his bare hands. There are plenty of pictures of Carlos holding these arteries while the woman piloted the chair. I won't post them because they are graphic and horrible.
You probably don't even know why that was so important - you are too self absorbed and hateful to study anatomy.
Nice try to spin it, though.
There were hundreds of heroes
Men and women who risked their lives to save their fellow citizens I salute you all. As far as Hollywood goes its kind of tough for Mark Wahlberg to play anything other than a tough white Boston cop. I'm not sure if anyone plays this character in the movie but I remember when Watertown was under lock down, a mouthy white guy was stripped naked in the streets because he broke curfew and wouldn't identify himself talk about profiling.
I also give credit to the wife of the homeowner who discovered the bomber in the boat because she uttered the famous words "I don't give a dam about Governor Deval and his shelter in place order you ain't smoking that cigarette in my house now go outside" and the rest of the story is for history and Hollywood to figure out.
Wrong role then
If Marky Underpants had played the role of that mouthy white guy instead, the movie might do better.
Ghoulish moneygrab
I'm no snowflake.
I actually know some of the Wahlberg family from growing up. Good reputation for big family with its share of problems like anyone's. Wished them well but never made excused for Marky's earlier behavior.
This movie is frigging BS. I'm 2 or 3 degrees of separation from 2 of the fatal victims and worked in the Back Bay and worried about the lives of people I knew that day. And looked out on Boylston from a high-rise for weeks as they processed the scene.
I was at a bar with a friend watching an interview with Mark W. where he said he just wanted to get the story right for Boston and the victims.
My friend asked if he donated all the profits to the One Fund. He didn't say that he had and as far as I know no one from him to the producers to John Goodman to Ed Davis or any of the consultants have.
i'll be happy to be proven wrong but doubt i will be.
He's proven he can do reality. If he wanted to tell the story correctly why fictionalize it into a blockbuster?
A reality show or documentary on the responders and esp. thew victims and their families and recoveries would really tell the real story.
Scumbag move and I'll never watch this movie.
Charity correction
Actually, the One Fund doesn't exist anymore - it was dissolved after it finished distributing the donations. (http://www.wbur.org/news/2015/07/16/one-fund-closing)
And, the production team of the Patriots Day movie is donating $200,000 to various survivor and first responder related charities (full list here: https://www.crowdrise.com/patriotsday) and encouraging everyone who watches it to do the same.
Thanks for the charity clarification
Good for them. That should certainly be taken into consideration.
My opinion of the movie and its makers still stands. that amount doesn't move the needel for me.
The really sad thing is that
The really sad thing is that it CAN be done. a gripping and even thrilling drama can be made without distorting the truth - by respecting the truth & being willing to tell the stories that are there and resisting the temptation to embellish & create.
It has been done (at times). Apollo 13 comes to mind - I think they managed to tell that story without much embellishment.
And sometimes it can't
And that's okay! Maybe the events as they played out didn't spell out a well-crafted suspenseful drama. Maybe you look at the tragedy and figure it's not something everyone might be able to relate to or that the fucked up way in which the terrorist both acted cowardly and ran poorly won't be the dramatic arc you're looking for. So, then it's okay not to make the movie at all. But you'll never convince Hollywood of that unfortunately.
"Sully Sullenberger: A Movie about a Goose and a Man named Sully who Piloted a Plane and Landed it On the Hudson, The Sully Sullenberger Story (PS we got Tom Hanks!)" comes to mind as an example.
bummer
I had moderate hopes of being wrong about this movie. Sounds like it's just as bad -- or worse -- than the congratulatory bastardization of a tragedy people were saying it would be. I'll probably still pirate it.
Missing Arredondo?
Not to throw shade on what Arredondo did that day, but every day thereafter he managed to find a news camera and get in front of it. We need to check the the movie carfully; I'll bet anything we'll see him somewhere in the background.
Don't worry
He'll be on the big screen next year.
And jeez people, learn his backstory. He's been in the media eye for a decade.