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New Hampster to Amazon: Boston sucks, so come to NH because it's near Boston
By adamg on Wed, 10/18/2017 - 5:38pm
Cow Hampshire officials think Amazon should set up shop in Londonderry ("Gateway to Manchester!") so they can be near Boston, even though Boston sucks. And there's absolutely nothing hypocritical about a governor who's called plans to extend commuter rail from the Evil City up to the Graniteheaded State "a boondoggle" saying he'd be willing to extend commuter rail from Boston to New Hampshire if that's what Amazon wants.
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NH has a point
NH has a point
And ...
That and a little cooperation might mean a rail line.
But they have to pay their share ... which they never will while whining whining and whining about it.
As you'd expect from a Sunnunu
It's a deep pile of BS. From the article:
Sunnunu is going to transform Londonderry into an urban center with mass transit? How? What international airport is Londonderry close to? Manchester isn't one; it's a regional airport. Closest international is Logan. But Sunnunu thinks it takes 2 hours to get to "overburdened" Logan from Boston:
If it takes 2 hours to get to Logan from Boston (by pogo-stick, maybe), how long does he think it will take from NH? (Notice that the last word of that bit has an extra 'n' in it.)
I would be amazed if Amazon fell for this nonsense. There are reasons NH has trouble attracting major corporations, and that's why so many NH residents find themselves commuting South and paying Mass income taxes.
Boston to Logan
Ignoring the fact that Logan is in Boston already ...
I had a 6:15 flight last week. I left my office at 4:30, got on the Blue Line, cleared security, ate dinner,visited the loo and boarded. The flight even left early as they had everyone checked in and on board by 6:00.
It wasn't even two hours from the time I left my downtown office to when my plane was airborne.
...and...
some of the "Best", "dedicated", "die-hard" boston sports fans live in NH.
We wouldn't have the great fandom without them.
Adam I thought you
Adam I thought you progressives didn’t want this company and it’s great jobs coming to your town.. now you are fussing that “cow hampshire” says Amazon can go there? Flip flopper!
Stupid is as stupid does
One can oppose massive Worcester-style subsidies for a giant corporation while still marveling at the stupidity of a yahoo governor to our north who thinks he can convince that company to move to his state by proclaiming how much Boston sucks.
Great jobs?
I'm going to bet that you have never known anyone who has actually worked for Amazon, at a warehouse or technical level.
Actually, pretty great jobs
Software engineers at Amazon make close to $100,000 in base salary right out of school. If you factor in the signing bonus and stock it's close to $125,000. And this is for a job that only requires a bachelor's degree and requires a lot fewer hours a week than working in, say, management consulting, finance, or big law. So, yeah, they're pretty great jobs.
yup, and the warehouse gig
is slave labor at slave wage, until the robits take over.
sooo....yay Amazon?
If you work in a warehouse it
If you work in a warehouse it does not matter what company you work for, the job is going to be hard, add a freezer and it is even worse.
It is the nature of the business. But you make good hours and thus money.
You could look it up
Amazon warehouses are notorious for being more-than-normally-shitty warehouses to work in. There have been a raft of newspaper stories detailing just how bad working conditions are. Here's just one. These stories tend to use words like "brutal" and "abusive," and talk about ambulances parked outside, waiting for the day's heat-exhaustion victims.
I have been a warehouse worker, and it wasn't great, but it wasn't brutal, either.
No, they don't
Engineers make market rate, maybe a little above. Out of school they make $65K. $100K? Masters degree - maybe. More like $80K
But they never get a day off and get put on call over weekends. Sure, they are promised vacation time - just never get approved to actually take vacation time. And if they do, they are still on the leash to respond immediately.
My husband lasted only six months with that bullcrap. What they promise and what they actually deliver are two different things.
$100K a year?
Please supply some documentation for that.
My cousin started at $55K a year in 2014 plus a modest bonus in lieu of moving expenses - are they planning to double that in Boston versus Seattle? I doubt it. A classmate from high school, >25 years post bachelor's, is a mid-level tech manager - around $125-150K/year is the pay range for that.
I'd like to see where you got those numbers (unless toilet paper is involved). Such fantasy is not the reality of people that I know who actually work there.
glass door
Search for Software Development Engineer 1 Amazon on Glassdoor. That's the job level for new college hires to a few years out of school
Not a starting salary
Average salary. There is a difference when that "several years out of school" kicks in to the "average" mix.
Salaries straight out of school are around $65K.
Mine was $92k in 2013
My starting salary as a new college grad at Amazon in 2013 was (I think) $92k with a $25k signing bonus the first year. $100k starting salary for new grads in 2017 sounds about right. I don't think there's much variation between a new-grad SDE1 and an SDE1 with 1-2 years of experience. It's a pretty big jump up if you come in as an SDE2.
You can also look up the H1B salary data if you don't believe glassdoor. This is something companies have to report to the government when they get an H1B visa.
http://h1bdata.info/index.php?em=AMAZON&job=SOFTWARE+DEVELOPMENT+ENGINEE...
Median for SDE1 - $125k, range $78.5k - $140k
I have met people who work
I have met people who work for amazon both in Boston and Seattle as engineers. I have heard good stories I have heard bad stories. Many of them are still there though.
Amazon's Boston presence is
Amazon's Boston presence is still made of many Kiva Robotics people. So you're going to get a sample of employees who have not yet been subjected to the full measure of Amazon's morale destroying corporate culture.
Probably depends on the manager
at least in Engineering. There have been news stories about the awful treatment of warehouse employees and the differently soul-destroying work environment in Engineering, but I've also heard some stories first-hand. Sounds like it's possible to be more sheltered depending on where you are in the organization, but Bezos comes across as a micromanaging tyrant.
Adam, as a former New
Adam, as a former New Hampshirite, can I ask you to drop the "Cow Hampshire" epithet? As of the most recent USDA livestock census, New Hampshire had only about 33,000 cattle, as compared to almost 36,000 in Massachusetts. (The numbers in both states are dropping, alas!) On a cattle-per-square-mile basis, the two states are practically identical.
What about moose?
Should I stop listening to the Mooosachusetts song?
NH will insist
That despite the Old Man of the Mountain falling down over 10 years ago that we (born/raised NH'ites) still identify with it.
As a former NH near native
As a former NH near native, I don't mind cow hampshire. I even use it myself :-)
But then again, I'm from a rural farming community.
The Cows are Coming Home to Massachusetts!
Back up to 38,000 head in MA and 35,000 head in NH!
Seems the cows have started coming home with the rise of locally-produced meat and organic dairy farms.
http://www.cattlerange.com/cattle-graphs/all-cattl...
MA also recently saw an increase in farmland from 2007 to 2012 - the first in many decades! http://www.mass.gov/eea/docs/agr/facts/snapshot-of...
If you want cows, however, Vermont is a good pick - 260,000 head! Whoh Bossie!
How about...
Cow Hampshire per capita?
Cow density Hampshire?
Cows also don't pay sales tax in Hampshire?
Be honest
This is all udder nonsense.
finally!
I just came to these comments to see how long it would take for the cow puns to start. Thank you!
we curd do better
Must be a whey to milk these for all they are worth?
Maybe
We're guern have to wait and sey.
Whatta buncha...
... bull.
Not when you take cows per
Not when you take cows per capita into account!
I give them this much
The governor is offering neither cash nor tax incentives. That’s refreshing.
Note- if Londonderry offers property tax incentives, my praise is moot. I mean, would they do the same for every company.
Our Young Teen Child
I hate you! Go away! But first get me some jobs and pay for my rail line!
Yet another reason to put a
Yet another reason to put a toll on 93 at the state line.
They forgot to mention the
They forgot to mention the new $10 tolls going in both directions in and out of the State on the Massachusetts border if Amazon were built in NH
Do it. Fill the most
Do it. Fill the most Republican corner of the state with new workers who will be 3/4 or more Democrats and Independents.
NH is weird
I was going to challenge this assertion but then looked at the NH map from the 2016 election. Trump did win southern NH but not Portsmouth or Concord. The thing I was surprised by was that the White Mt. counties all went for Clinton but the Lakes counties all went Trump. This surprised me.
You have to Remember Clinton
You have to Remember Clinton made a lot of connections in 2008 and targeted low income communities where she thought she could pull votes away from Obama. So it is not shocking she still had people up in those areas who were very loyal.
As for the Lakes, there are a lot of Scott Brown Republicans in those regions , including Scott Brown.
Scott Brown
Doesn't he live in Rye when he's not in New Zealand?
I like New Hampshire. I have
I like New Hampshire. I have a sibling who lives in Londonderry. I like going to Hampton Beach. I like going to Manchester and Durham and Hanover for hockey games. The White Mountains are terrific. However, if you were to cut off all things Boston from New Hampshirites, they would scream bloody murder.
“Choose Boston and next year
“Choose Boston and next year when you leave your tiny $4,000-a-month apartment only to sit in two hours of traffic trying to make your way to an overburdened airport, you’ll be wishing you were in New Hampshire"
Nope, only to visit - the Whites or the ski slopes, trying hard to avoid the truck-driving locals.
Two Hours?
Sounds like you took a cab who went down to I-95 in Canton and back up around to 93 in Woburn.
Two hours from DuhHampstuh maybe ... like ten minutes from East Boston.
If having Amazon in Londonderry means that
New Hampshire is forced to actually finish the widening of I-93 between Salem and Manchester, I wouldn't object to us losing the bid.