A small but boisterous group of Boston first responders has come up with a way to protest Boston's impending vaccination requirement: Everybody files for exemptions the night before the mandate goes into effect, then when the city moves to terminate them, claim their vacation time so the city still has to pay them while adjudicating their claims - and forcing the city to hire expensive replacements.
The group, Boston First Responders United, sent out details of its plan for mass religious exemptions last night to the roughly 350 people on its mailing list. By contrast, Boston has roughly 2,100 police officers, 1,600 firefighters and 400 EMTs and paramedics.
Leaders of the two main unions who represent first-responder rank and file have been battling the city over the imposition of a vaccine mandate as a collective-bargaining issue: If the city wants to require vaccinations, they have to bargain with the unions to give up something in return.
But this new group says screw that, they don't want shots, period, because they claim vaccines violate their God-given rights to preserve their holy immune systems and, they claim, to protect pregnant first responders and others with what they say are legitimate health reasons not to get shots that can reduce the spread of a deadly virus. They vow to fight what they call tyrannical plans by politicians to deprive them of their freedom, their jobs and even their cars.
![Think of the children, group says](/images/2021/thinkofchildren.png)
Some members have also used the city 311 system to attack union leaders, in particular Ed Kelly, formerly head of the Boston firefighters union, but now president of the International Association of Fire Fighters.
In their plans, leaders of Boston First Responders United provide a sample statement first responders can use to demand a religious exemption at 10:45 p.m. on Jan. 14 - which is when the group says everybody should file their demands for exemptions, just before the start of the new city shot requirement on Jan. 15:
I am notifying you that I am exempt from this activity based on my sincerely held religious beliefs. God created me with an immune system and I will not alter his design. It is a sin against my God-given conscience to allow unwanted intrusions into my body which is a temple of the Holy Spirit.
That statement was written by Peggy Hall, an Orange County, CA anti-mask activist who now fights vaccines, in part by selling cards that claim bearers have a right under federal law to ignore local mask mandates, which they do not.
Under the vaccination mandate announced by Mayor Wu, city workers will have to show proof they have gotten at least one shot by Jan. 15, and a second by Feb. 15, if they don't get the one-shot Johnson and Johnson vaccine. Failure to do so can mean being placed on unpaid leave. Wu said today that roughly 90% of city workers have already gotten their shots.
When the state announced a similar mandate earlier this year, the union representing state troopers claimed many would fight rather than get a shot. To date, after the union lost in court, one state trooper has been terminated, although several dozen more are awaiting disciplinary action.
The first-responder group says they are ready to grind out the system through delay:
![Use vacation time to still get paid](/images/2021/documentdump.png)
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"Expensive replacements" It
By anon
Thu, 12/30/2021 - 3:19pm
"Expensive replacements" It is worth every penny. Slow the review process so they use up all their vacation time.
I'm tired
By cybah
Thu, 12/30/2021 - 3:20pm
I'm tired. This shit is just exhausting at this point.
2 years into this, almost a million deaths and we still have people doing this crap.
I hope everyone loses their fuckin jobs over this. First responders who meet with the PUBLIC as apart of their jobs do not want to be vaccinated? that is fucking insane. You have no business being a first responder then if you won't take precautions to aid the people you may be in contact with.
Seriously go fuck yourself people. So sick of this crap.
I wonder why I spend less and less time on here and online. Just so over people's attitudes, its depressing and why we're gonna be mega fucked for years to come.
(my apologies for my language but I am just so fucking done with these people)
Adam - between this and
By anon
Thu, 12/30/2021 - 3:31pm
Adam - between this and Swirly’s posts, you seriously need to get a handle on the foul language being used here. The lack of respectful discourse is really bringing this place down. It’s not fair to the people that can deal with their frustrations and have a dialogue without resorting to this kind of thing.
Can we get rid off anon posts
By cinnamngrl
Thu, 12/30/2021 - 3:51pm
Can we get rid off anon posts at the same time?
Hey anon?
By Parkwayne
Thu, 12/30/2021 - 3:56pm
Go fuck yourself or get a log-in.
Have a blessed day.
Holy (expletive)
By Will LaTulippe
Thu, 12/30/2021 - 4:36pm
We share a sentiment. Happy holidays!
Happy Holidays Will
By Parkwayne
Thu, 12/30/2021 - 8:53pm
I don't agree with almost anything you think but you're probably good people.
Just Stop
By BobGoblin
Thu, 12/30/2021 - 3:58pm
Your pearl clutching over some strong words is pathetic. You need to get a handle on why a few swear words send you into a tizzy and make it impossible for you to hear to the message.
This is YOUR problem- not Adam's Swirly's or Cybah's.
Indeed.
By anon
Thu, 12/30/2021 - 6:21pm
I rarely if ever curse in print. I try not to do it around people I don't know well.
With friends, I curse like a sailor.
I'd prefer it if folks cursed less in mixed company, but here's the thing: at the end of the day, it's Adam's rules of his road. And the cursing -- it's easy enough to read past.
ok
By tape
Thu, 12/30/2021 - 3:59pm
lmao @ tone policing from an anon
Kiss My Grits
By cybah
Thu, 12/30/2021 - 4:02pm
Seriously.
LANGUAGE is your concern. Not that a paramedic or firemen who may come to save your life is not vaccinated and may have covid to give to you or your loved ones.
Get off the cross. We need the wood.
And not for nothing, I'm using such language because I am so tired of it. I'm worn out on these people to the point that I just don't fucking care anymore about my decorum online.
I think others can agree.
PS - I've been a poster here for 11 years. Would you like a side of bacon with those grits you're gonna kiss?
^ Agreed
By anon
Thu, 12/30/2021 - 4:04pm
One of the best parts of UHUB are the comments. You have readers with a vast array of knowledge, and experiences presenting views that I would not have otherwise considered. Intelligent people, presenting their insights do not need to use foul language.
You know what?
By SwirlyGrrl
Thu, 12/30/2021 - 4:04pm
There is a little X in the upper right corner.
Feel free to use it.
Some of us who have had to work at quelling this pandemic have little patience for tone policing, let alone plague rat stupidity tantrums.
Strawman
By THE_WIZ
Sat, 01/01/2022 - 12:38pm
As I have said before, you have no patients, especially for those of differing perspectives
Why continue to pretend?
Did you ever take any logic or philosophy courses? Or did you avoid them as a means of preserving your ego?
"Patients"? or "patience"?
By lbb
Sat, 01/01/2022 - 7:39pm
Not a strawman. It WAS tone policing.
Definitely!
By ShamusJP
Thu, 12/30/2021 - 4:05pm
I clutched my pearls so hard after reading this that my monocle fell out.
Póg mo thóin
By spin_o_rama
Thu, 12/30/2021 - 4:08pm
Is non-english foul language ok in your book?
Just want to be sure where the line is for your personal sensibilities.
I'm gonna need a first responder
By Will LaTulippe
Thu, 12/30/2021 - 4:37pm
Because I just sprained my wrist making the wanking motion at you.
do you honestly think
By Fenway Crank
Thu, 12/30/2021 - 5:49pm
that the "first responders" doing this are going to handle it politely?
do you think that their plan of action is a healthy contribution to our society?
I think we should fire all of them, every single one that's involved in this action
Actually, anon, language used
By Rob
Thu, 12/30/2021 - 6:32pm
Actually, anon, language used here is mostly pretty good, and enough room to facilitate actual conversation and allow for occasional frustrated outbursts. Most of us registered users (including Cybah) restrain ourselves when tempted - out of respect for each other (or at least for civilized discourse) and for all the work Adam puts in.
Sure, there are one or two trolls among the registered users who noticeably resort to crude language when they're tired or don't have anything to bring to the table. It's annoying, but helps mark their level.
We're all adults here
By adamg
Thu, 12/30/2021 - 8:17pm
Well, kids, if you're reading this, you're either very sophisticated or very bored ...
Yes, there are ways to express anger or amazement that don't involve swearing. We should perhaps all strive for that, or at least count to the new CDC number of five first before pounding out those four letters.
But at the same time, damn it, sometimes you just need to really let it out about something. A topic like Covid-19, one that's assaulted us for nearly two years now, and which has exposed some of the worst of humanity (along with some of the best, granted) certainly qualifies.
My delicate ears!
By Keiko
Fri, 12/31/2021 - 2:21pm
Love your use of "damn it". You really let it all out!
Yeah, fire them all. Now.
By jmeltzer
Thu, 12/30/2021 - 7:26pm
Don't wait for them to actually do it. Anyone who is a member of that group or shows up at one of their "demonstrations".
Not going to work how they want it to
By perruptor
Fri, 12/31/2021 - 7:34am
We know what happens when you submit something to a swamped website, right? Your submission disappears into the ether. So, the first X-number of these clowns will get their religious exemption demands into the system, whatever good that may do them, but all the ones after that will just not exist. The moron lawyer they're taking advice from should stick to printing fake exemption cards.
Personally, I think IT should
By Rob
Fri, 12/31/2021 - 9:19am
Personally, I think IT should send an email alert that day at noon that there will be crucial system maintenance that night starting at 2100 hours and some system functions will be unavailable until Tuesday morning.
Petty, I know, and would just give the litigious sorts something to file a grievance about - but fun to think of.
They could simply add a
By Brent Jeffries
Fri, 12/31/2021 - 11:32am
They could simply add a reCaptcha to the login and make these losers pick out fire hydrants and buses and traffic lights until the deadline passes.
Awesome
By Doug1001
Fri, 12/31/2021 - 10:47am
You took 3 doses of an untested product in less than a year.... the shots do nothing to stop transmission.... and you’re mad at people for not taking shots which do not stop transmission.
Lots of logic here, per usual. Some nice virtue signaling though.... congrats! Sending you hugs <3
Untested… nothing
By Sock_Puppet
Fri, 12/31/2021 - 10:51am
I hope you are one of the losers soon to be kicked off the public tit. Because those words describe your reasoning skills more than the vaccine.
Let’s discuss briefly
By Doug1001
Fri, 12/31/2021 - 11:03am
9 months total, 3 of which were the FDA reviewing the documents for “safety and efficacy”... documentation which, by the way, they said you can review in 75 years...
6 months to identify all attributes of the virus, test the different formulas, etc.... seems reasonable.
You seem to be a science lover... the FDA is required by law to answer FOIA requests... they first said 50, then 75 years to release the documentation they “reviewed” for the EUA.
How come?
Brief
By Sock_Puppet
Fri, 12/31/2021 - 2:16pm
1. "untested product"
False. The vaccines went through extensive research trials. For example, the Pfizer vaccine was tested on more than 46K people in the trials.
https://www.pfizer.com/science/coronavirus/vaccine...
Following the authorization of the vaccines, more than 9 billion shots have now been given. This is the biggest vaccination campaign ever performed in history. No medical product has been given to more people in history. Untested? Insanely nonsensical.
2. "nothing to stop transmission"
False. The main purpose of the vaccines is to stop people from getting sick from COVID, and they're very effective at preventing severe illness, but they also reduce the rate at which people contract COVID and the rate at which they transmit COVID.
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/0...
As for the FOIA hysteria, the problem is that a bunch of folks asked FDA to send them around 239,000 pages of information. This information, per the rules of the FDA, must be reviewed. There are ten employees in the branch that will do the review, and they will review 500 pages a month in addition to their preexisting duties.
https://www.snopes.com/news/2021/11/19/fda-2076-va...
If you and your buddies want the 239,000 pages faster, help push through a federal budget that will radically increase the staff in the review department.
...
By Doug1001
Sat, 01/01/2022 - 12:37am
Pfizer released results from a 6 month trial, the results were garbage, then they vaccinated the control group... like anyone would do in a serious study... right?
How did they manufacture the doses so quickly? They’re good.
You’re using the revised “main goal” and you know it. As of June, the head of the CDC said “the science is settled” and said vaccinated couldn’t transmit it, until she retracted that 3 months later. Your president still says vaxxed folks won’t get it. “Breakthrough cases” (aka vaccine failure) is common, aka you were lied to again.
The FDA managed to thoroughly review all those pages for safety and efficacy in like 110 days but in order for us to see it, it’ll take 75 years. Nothing says trust the science like 75 years.
All of it makes sense if you don’t think about it whatsoever.
All of it makes sense...
By lbb
Sat, 01/01/2022 - 11:38am
...if you're an antivax trollboy.
tRuSt ThE sCiEnCe!!!!
By Doug1001
Sat, 01/01/2022 - 8:37pm
Pfizer released shit data after 6 whole months and then vaccinated the control group. That’s good science, right?
The regulatory agency said you have to wait 75 years to see what they “reviewed” to grant an EUA. That’s good science too, right?
Dummy
What results were garbage?
By cinnamngrl
Sat, 01/01/2022 - 12:29pm
What results were garbage? every thing I can find says 91% effective. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.28...
The data was so good, the following things happened:
By Doug1001
Sat, 01/01/2022 - 8:50pm
They vaccinated the control group after only 6 months, the FDA still refuses to comply with their regulatory/legal obligations and is using excuses equivalent to “the dog ate my homework”, and you’ve taken 3 doses in less than a year for a disease that 99+% people survive.
Honest question - does anything I’ve written generate even a mild suspicion that maybe these multi-billion dollar entities could be lacking transparency and integrity?
The vaccine was 91% effective
By cinnamngrl
Sun, 01/02/2022 - 9:36am
The vaccine was 91% effective. the control group is unprotected people willing to take the vaccine. It would be immoral to not let them take the vaccine that they clearly wanted. opinions are not evidence. What about your integrity? Vaccines reduce transmission to the insignificant people that do die.
6 months?
By Doug1001
Sun, 01/02/2022 - 3:05pm
Many of my clients had FDA obligations and none of their testing protocols ended at 6 months. 0 of them. What kind of science is this? You’re kidding, right?
Below is an article written by the lawyer who is being stonewalled by the FDA and CDC - they are billion dollar organizations with legal requirements. The public is legally allowed to review certain data these entities reference in making comments like “safe and effective”
Put your sword down for 5 minutes, read this, and please explain how this makes any sense (newsflash - it doesn’t)
https://aaronsiri.substack.com/p/the-fda-wants-to-...
Listen to science or a
By cinnamngrl
Sun, 01/02/2022 - 3:11pm
Listen to science or a lawyers opinion about science?
This is not an opinion piece
By Doug1001
Sun, 01/02/2022 - 3:15pm
The FDA and CDC are skirting their legal obligations. They are entrusted to deliver safe products, the public is entitled to review data they reviewed while making their determination that granting an EUA is appropriate.
They have not done any of this - they are willfully ignoring their legal obligations.
If any of my clients did this, they’d be fined, have products removed from the market, and possibly face jail time.
Again, put your sword down and read it for 5 minutes... then please explain to me the logic you see in this.
skirting or shirking? Have
By cinnamngrl
Sun, 01/02/2022 - 3:46pm
skirting or shirking? Have they violated the law or some internet lawyers interpretation of the law?
Scared to click on the link for 5 minutes?
By Doug1001
Sun, 01/02/2022 - 4:02pm
How come? It’s not spam... there are court briefings you can peruse also, if you’re feeling extra brave.
Is that the ivermectin proponent Aaron Siri?
By cinnamngrl
Sun, 01/02/2022 - 8:19pm
Truth : FDA Did NOT Ask For 75 Years To Release Pfizer Vaccine Data!
This is really just some “creative hyperbole” by Aaron Siri, the lawyer working on this FOIA (Freedom of Information Act) request.
And here are the reasons why…
Fact #1 : FDA Did Not Ask For 75 Years To Release Pfizer COVID-19 Vaccine Data
First, let me be clear – the US FDA did not ask US District Judge Mark Pittman for 75 years to release the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine data.
That is merely the “interpretation” of Aaron Siri, the lawyer working for PHMPT (Public Health and Medical Professionals for Transparency) – the group requesting the data that the FDA used to licence the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine.
As you will see below, it’s based on ignoring facts and basic math…
Fact #2 : FDA Has To Redact Files Before They Are Released
It is not simply a matter of handing over the documents to PHMPT.
The FDA has to go through every document and redact information that are exempt from disclosure under FOIA, before it can release them.
That process is not only time-consuming, it is resource-intensive because it requires government information specialists to review each page line-by-line.
The FDA estimates that it takes 8 minutes per page to read and review records for FOIA production.
Fact #3 : FDA Has 400 Other Pending FOIA Requests
The FOIA request by PHMPT is being handled by the Access Litigation and Freedom of Information Branch at the FDA’s Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research (CBER).
This is a small department with just ten employees, including the director and two trainees. So they really have just seven people who are trained well enough to process FOIA requests.
This small team is currently processing “approximately 400 currently pending FOIA requests“, while being embroiled in “6 active FOIA litigation matters“.
Needless to say, the heavy workload greatly limits how many pages this office can go through and redact every month.
Fact #4 : PHMPT Demanded “Everything” In 108 Days
The FDA asked PHMPT to narrow their request by specifying records they don’t require, so they can focus on processing the important documents they need.
The PHMPT, however, insisted that the FDA process and deliver ALL documents related to the approval of the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine – some 329,000 pages!
On top of that, the PHMPT demanded that the FDA accomplish that within 108 days. That would require a processing rate of over 80,000 pages per month – far in excess of what the FDA FOIA office is capable of handling.
Your copy/paste hatchet job is embarrassing...
By Doug1001
Mon, 01/03/2022 - 2:59pm
These agencies have 20,000 employees, and annual budgets of over $7 billion....it’s a small team by choice, so they have an excuse to break the law. Stop covering for them.
I’ll say it ONCE AGAIN since you have extremely weak reading comprehension skills...pay attention this time: all companies that have regulatory/legal requirements with the FDA/CDC are NOT allowed to use any excuses and not allowed to ignore their legal obligations, period. There are no exceptions. The FDA/CDC are NOT exempt from following the law.
You seem extremely unclear on that topic, so go slow, and read it several times if you need it.
With regards to the release of the documents in question (in redacted form), they asked to release docs at a rate of 500 pages per month, which comes out to 75+ years. Aaron Siri’s law firm asked a professional medical documentation service for a quote to complete this review with redactions, etc: $132k with 20 reviewers over a 6-8 week period.
You’d know all of this if you clicked on the link I sent and weren’t consumed with this copy and paste hatchet job.
And you ignored this important fact (not surprising)
The CDC is refusing to release the deidentified post-licensure safety data. They gave this data to Oracle already and their own documents explaining the process already say it’s deidentified. They lied and said it’s not deidentified. This data could’ve been released the second Oracle got it; but they’re hiding.
What’s the excuse for hiding data already in deidentified form?
Now they’re not only ignoring legal requirements, they’re lying about publicly released information too.
Lastly, Ivermectin works, but it has NOTHING to do with the FDA/CDC discussion at hand
Your copy/paste hatchet job is embarrassing... do better
do better than an attorney's blogpost?
By cinnamngrl
Mon, 01/03/2022 - 3:18pm
They aren't refusing to comply with anything. Your attorney doesn't want them to comply because then his gravy train will end. So Ivermectin works how? Doesn't it kill the person along with the virus? Any studies on that?
As mentioned, there are court filings in every post
By Doug1001
Mon, 01/03/2022 - 3:32pm
How much more authentic would you like to get? Copies of all briefings that the court has are on those blogs, or you could look them up as a matter of public record. The FOIA records are there too.
Why are you ignoring briefings submitted to the court? Are those riddled with lies too? If they were, they’d have to be thrown out.
It’s important to note that if the FDA and CDC weren’t hiding and held themselves to the same standards they require other companies to uphold, we wouldn’t even be discussing this.
-The FDA wants to release 500 pages per month
-They have a budget over $7B annually
-Revenues from vaccines are in the billions and pubic knowledge
-If Pfizer is worried about trade secrets, their budget with or without vaccine revenue is more than enough to cover the $132k estimate provided by a documentation service team of experts to redact their trade secrets in their pre-licensure safety documentation
-Oracle has deidentified safety data in their possession at this very moment (that means it is all anonymous)
-The cdc will not release this anonymous safety information and contradicted their own documentation about the form this data is in.
I’ll end with this again - the FDA and CDC are not exempt from following the law.
Try again....
you try again. The FDA is
By cinnamngrl
Mon, 01/03/2022 - 4:01pm
you try again. The FDA is releasing more than 500 pages per month. Again where is the scientific evidence on the ivermectin Att Siri is selling?
I’ll try again
By Doug1001
Mon, 01/03/2022 - 4:25pm
500 pages per month of over 400k pages comes out to 75+ years. Your cut and paste hatchet job said they’re not asking for 75+ years... you just contradicted yourself.
The FDA has over 20,000 employees and a budget of over $7B. Their legal requirements do not say to purposely understaff your FOIA group in order to generate sympathy.
We aren’t talking about treatments - this whole thing is about the lack of transparency by the federal agencies entrusted with making sure the American people consume safe products. Stay on topic. We can discuss that separately some other time.
Also, see my post titled “challenge for you” assuming you’d like to back up your claims.
Your attorney doesn't want
By cinnamngrl
Mon, 01/03/2022 - 4:29pm
Your attorney doesn't want any pages. In November he turned down the first 12,000.
You said that Ivermectin works, based on what?
Pfizer didn’t submit 12,000 pages to the FDA for approval
By Doug1001
Mon, 01/03/2022 - 6:14pm
They submitted 400k+. The expert/credentialed team said they could complete the work needed to redact personal and trade secret information for $132k over 6-8 weeks. If you think that’s excessive, you have never looked at the kind of money Pfizer and the FDA make..
This is a separate discussion, as I’ve said, but based on the number of people who used it successfully... 2 of which you might have heard of (Aaron Rodgers and Joe Rogan).
This is the most important point on IVM:
https://twitter.com/PierreKory/status/144631229130...
Who are the people mentioned here? Why haven’t any of them come forward to tell the public about it? Don’t they want to save lives? Does that kind of secrecy bother you? Ever hear of “right to try?”
how much money does the FDA
By cinnamngrl
Mon, 01/03/2022 - 7:33pm
how much money does the FDA make? And why doesn't he want to start reading the pages they offered? So an immunization study gives the control group immunizations after 6 months of success at protecting the non-placebo group from death is invalid but ivermectin don't need no studies? just celebrities? What about the people that poisoned themselves with ivermectin?
2019 budget - $6.1 billion
By Doug1001
Mon, 01/03/2022 - 7:56pm
He doesn’t want to read what they offered because it’s a cop-out. Every time he submits a FOIA request or goes to court to request what they’re legally obligated to provide, they come back with some half assed effort to appease the court and pray that the lawyers find it acceptable. It’s not acceptable, and if we owned a medical device company and tried to pull this kind of shit with the FDA, we would face real consequences.
What kind of conclusions can one draw from 6 months of data? I haven’t read Pfizer’s study protocols, but I honestly don’t think vaccine clinical studies allow for the control group to be vaccinated after 6 months. That’s way too soon.
IVM is on the WHO list of safest meds. Under the “introduction” heading (link below), it gives some background on IVM. It’s been around forever, for starters. The Covid vaccines are brand new and the technology has never been used in humans before (the non J&J ones). People say they’ve been studying it for 20+ years - to that, I say the animal trials didn’t fare very well as they allegedly all died. People say (as they do with vaccines) that the animals did not die from the shots - fair enough, I think it’s too risky for me and I don’t believe those claims as I don’t think you can prove either claim.
I saw an HCQ trial that went horribly, but the dosage was excessive and way more was administered than would be provided under normal circumstances. If you take 40 Advil in one sitting, you might be severely ill or die also. My guess is the same excessive/unnecessary dosage was given and caused bad outcomes in the IVM trial you reference... I’m not sure though as I never read about it.
Check out the “introduction” section here for some IVM info - looks safe to me.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3043740/
Your attorney doesn't want
By cinnamngrl
Mon, 01/03/2022 - 8:10pm
Your attorney doesn't want any pages from the FDA, this lawsuit is Fake PR. Real attorneys negotiate.
So 2011? how does that show invermectin treats covid? It seems like you weird conflicting standards when it comes to studies. What animals died?
There’s nothing to negotiate
By Doug1001
Mon, 01/03/2022 - 10:23pm
The CDC and FDA would make your life a living hell if your company ever played the games they did. What they’re doing is disgraceful.
They’re trying to mandate everybody take their product, you are not allowed to sue them for any reason and now they’re ignoring their legal/regulatory requirements and lying about their own publicly released statements. They’re also ignoring natural immunity, which studies have shown yield way better antibodies than any vax.
Can you read that again and explain why you are so trusting of these folks? Separately, ask Alexa “who paid the largest criminal fine in history, and why.”
It shows that IVM is very safe to take and it shouldn’t be demonized. It is not “horse de-wormer” it’s a safe medication administered billions of times. The NIH referred to it as a “wonder drug” in that link. If people prefer to try it as opposed to taking an untested series of shots, that’s their right and it isn’t hurting anybody.
The only thing that IVM is bad for is the profits of Big Pharma companies.
Big pharma like Merck?
By cinnamngrl
Tue, 01/04/2022 - 8:52am
You really don't know much do you? I haven't demonized ivermectin, just false statements about vaccine research. You are welcome to trust your local pet store guy, just stop lying about covid vaccines.
Lying about Covid vaccines
By Doug1001
Tue, 01/04/2022 - 12:23pm
I issued you a challenge you ignored (shocker). You lied about the CDC - you said they’re hiding nothing yet can’t produce simple data I’ve asked for. If what you say is true, it should be an easy find for you and I’ll Venmo you a reward.
Nothing I’ve said is false. You are defending billion dollar entities who are breaking the law and laughing in your face.... there is no science to trust because the gatekeepers won’t allow us in.
What a world we live in... these people hate you. Shut up and take our products and we aren’t going to show you the pre/post licensure data at all.
I got Covid last Monday, the worst of it was done in 2 days, and the only thing that remains is fatigue.
Horse dewormer and vitamins for the win! Anyway, enjoy your 4th upcoming booster. The need for 4 shots in less than a year just means it’s working.
You are not qualified to issue any challenges
By cinnamngrl
Tue, 01/04/2022 - 2:10pm
The CDC isn't hiding anything. You haven't proved that the CDC is hiding anything. You don't seem to understand that the ivermectin patent is owned by big pharma company Merck. You don't understand much about parasite medications either. These meds are like radiation for cancer, they can treat it but there are lot of side effects. Merck is not recommending that ivermectin be taken for covid. Merck says its not safe.
https://www.merck.com/news/merck-statement-on-iver...
Find me the CDC data in question, I will pay you. Simple as that
By Doug1001
Tue, 01/04/2022 - 2:44pm
I did prove it - there is a pending federal lawsuit against the CDC and the HHS on behalf of ICAN regarding the data in question. It’s public record.
I’m aware of IVM’s history... the only issue is that it’s been decades and now it cannot generate revenue for Big Pharma anymore, so they want to ridicule it so you’ll be a good little gal and take the vaccines they tell you to take.....they killed people by not administering IVM as an early treatment.... they’re laughing all the way to the bank... and you’re STILL battling on their behalf. It’s awesome.
The NIH (Lord Fauci’s outfit) called it a wonder drug.
IVM is a generic drug and inexpensive. Plus, Merck is forced to say it doesn’t work and isn’t safe. If they said anything to the contrary, your government wouldn’t be able to issue Emergency Use Authorizations for Covid shots.... as there would be other, documented safe treatments available.
Follow the money. Surprising I have to explain any of this, yet here we are.
None of this is true
By cinnamngrl
Tue, 01/04/2022 - 3:09pm
Ivermectin use would not prevent authorization of vaccines. There are a number of treatments for covid infection that have been authorized ( at least emergency authorized). These treatments have not changed the authorization of vaccines. Who forced Merck to say it doesn't work? This is the statement from Merck that you are afraid to read.
No scientific basis for a potential therapeutic effect against COVID-19 from pre-clinical studies;
No meaningful evidence for clinical activity or clinical efficacy in patients with COVID-19 disease, and;
A concerning lack of safety data in the majority of studies.
We do not believe that the data available support the safety and efficacy of ivermectin beyond the doses and populations indicated in the regulatory agency-approved prescribing information.
A pending federal lawsuit exists, and proves nothing. The CDC is releasing the pages and you lied about it taking 75 year to do so.
You don’t know how an EUA works... read up.
By Doug1001
Tue, 01/04/2022 - 6:15pm
Monoclonal antibodies were working so well, Biden had to “step in” and make them unavailable. In NYC, certain races aren’t allowed to have them. You’ll tell me it’s for the greater good or some shit tho.
Most importantly, I don’t give a shit whether our overlords authorize treatments. It’s not up to them to keep me healthy - I don’t want or need their advice. If I do, I’ll ask. You clearly don’t know about “off label use” either.
I don’t listen to Merck - I listen to people. You ripped Joe Rogan and Aaron Rodgers the other day. They’re elite athletes that choose to emphasize a healthy lifestyle: eating right, sunlight, exercise, etc. A Hawaii board of health propaganda piece showed a woman making her New Years resolutions..., she crossed off healthy eating and exercise and got all hot and bothered about the vaccine.
You do not inject health, period. The best part is you still won’t see propaganda here.
The FDA is releasing pages each month at a rate which will take them 75 years to complete. I asked you for deidentified post EUA safety data that the CDC and Oracle have at this moment in time. I said I’d pay you to send it to me - why don’t you want free money? I’ll meet you in a public place and give you cash in an envelope if you don’t want to use Venmo.
Oh noes - right from Pfizer’s 6 month data. Did Pfizer lie or is this wrong? https://rumble.com/vqx3kb-the-pfizer-inoculations-...
you listen to liars, Joe and Aaron included
By cinnamngrl
Tue, 01/04/2022 - 6:40pm
https://factcheck.afp.com/http%253A%252F%252Fdoc.a...
rumble.com is another Youtube, all of that crap has been debunked months ago.
It’s from Pfizer’s own data
By Doug1001
Tue, 01/04/2022 - 9:33pm
They debunked their own data?
Here’s that video from the Hawaii department of health. It’s right up your alley. This might be you for all I know.
https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1478465471...
you are liar and a hypocrite.
By cinnamngrl
Wed, 01/05/2022 - 8:18am
you are liar and a hypocrite. Having a tantrum that Pfizer hasn't released all their proprietary data immediately, but ivermectin is safe without any supporting data? A lot of medications are safe to take for a prescribed condition but will hurt and kill you otherwise.
Drugs are only approved for specific uses after analysing the relationship between how the body treats the drug (pharmacokinetics) and how the drug treats the body (pharmacodynamics). Experts call this PK-PD.
The same drug can give very different PK-PD profiles depending on the dose, how often it is given, and whether the drug is administered by mouth, intravenously, or under the skin.
Drug concentrations safe and effective for one disease may not immediately translate to another. Higher, more frequent doses may be required, with increased risk of unintended toxicity or even death.
So drugs intended for repurposing still need to be thoroughly studied in animals and clinical trials to make sure a new dosing regime is
I don’t have tantrums on message boards - dumb comment
By Doug1001
Wed, 01/05/2022 - 1:01pm
Pfizer released their data to the FDA, the FDA hasn’t released it to us and its legally obligated to. IVM is being used successfully “off label” and people (including myself) have reported good outcomes. It’s none of your business how people treat themselves, period. Pfizer’s own data (which you claim is “debunked”) shows its product isn’t what you say it is.
It’s obvious every drug can affect every person differently. It’s also true for vaccines, yet they’re trying to mandate them and ignoring religious exemptions. I’m not mandating that you take IVM. How you treat yourself and look out for your health isn’t my business.
They ruined one of the IVM studies by purposely administering a dosage that is unreasonable. Pierre Kory, MD on Twitter has linked to many IVM studies over the last year - go hunt around.
Even if he hadn’t, my health decisions concern nobody but me. It’s insane that people want to pry into what others put into their bodies. You want my bank statements too? Browser history? Tv watching history? Mind your business... people can think for themselves and do what they want - it’s not hurting anyone.
Your standards are
By cinnamngrl
Wed, 01/05/2022 - 2:33pm
Your standards are inconsistent and it clear that you are just a troll that doesn't care about anything but getting attention.
What a joke.
By Doug1001
Wed, 01/05/2022 - 2:44pm
I don’t seek attention. I don’t trust the narrative and there are a million reasons why, all of which I’ve outlined here and you ignore.
It’s much easier to call me a liar and troll than to effectively defend your positions. I encounter this all the time here. Uhub loves their predetermined narrative... anyone who questions it or doesn’t agree must be a troll and a liar.
It’s kind of funny but i also feel bad for you.
Listen to science or a
By cinnamngrl
Sun, 01/02/2022 - 3:11pm
Listen to science or a lawyers opinion about science?
Challenge for you.....
By Doug1001
Mon, 01/03/2022 - 4:05pm
Oracle has deidentified post-licensure safety data in their possession at this moment that I say has never been released publicly. As of 12/30, Aaron Siri says it has not been released and sued the federal government to force the CDC to release this data as part of its legal requirements.
You say the CDC isn’t hiding anything and allege these accusations are fake and it’s all a money grab.
Where can I find this data then? The CDC said VAERS isn’t good enough and created its own system of monitoring the same things called “v-safe”
I want to see this v-safe data as soon as possible. If you can send it to me, I’ll Venmo you a reward.
Point of clarification - this assumes the data is already out there, today. If it’s released as a result of the lawsuit, no reward because I’ll be able to find it easily then.
Your tell
By Daan
Sat, 01/01/2022 - 2:36pm
is in the words, "your president."
If you get sick from Covid I hope you survive. Better that than the fanatical radio talkers and religious power addicts who preach stay away from vaccines, damn inoculations and then contract Covid and die.
Better people who choose to be foolish, suffer, live and hopefully then repent by being a power of example of what happens to folks who choose to be foolish.
I got Covid on Monday...
By Doug1001
Sat, 01/01/2022 - 8:42pm
Mild fever, mild body aches, mild/infrequent cough...it’s gone now. I didn’t need an ICU bed or hospitalization or ventilator like the dumb as shit rhetoric being spewed all over this page.
I couldn’t care less who takes the vax - I’m not even anti vax... I’m pro choice and anti-mandate.
I have something in common with all the vax cultists here - we’ve all done nothing to control the spread.
By the way, what diseases in history have people needed 3 doses in less than a year for? Even that isn’t enough for the cultists to simply ask a question.
Vaccine dosages
By WhaddayaTalk
Sun, 01/02/2022 - 10:15am
The Hepatitis B vaccine requires 3 doses in less than a year. The HPV vaccine can require 3 doses in less than a year, depending on a person's age and immunocompromised status.
And I shouldn't need to say this, but just because -you- had a mild case doesn't mean everyone who gets it will. Most people who contracted polio didn't die or become paralyzed either, but hardly anybody's refusing the polio vaccine on that basis.
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