The Patriot-Bridge in Charlestown, home to Charlestown High School, which Eliot School parents want to remake as an innovation school reports that parents are now upset because of a BPS plan to penalize their kids 10 points on their GPAs to try to level exam-school admissions across the entire BPS district.
Parents say this means none of their kids will get into Boston Latin School or the other two exam schools. The GPA lopping will also happen to students at the Lyndon and Kilmer schools in West Roxbury and the BTU Pilot School in Roslindale.
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Not a “penaltyâ€
By BikeBoston45
Thu, 01/13/2022 - 3:26pm
I read but generally don’t comment. I don’t think it’s fair, Adam, to describe this as a “BPS plan to penalize their kids 10 points on their GPAs†or as “GPA lopping.†No one is being penalized or having points lopped off. Points are being added to some students, and not to the Eliot school students. It’s a pretty well-thought out plan. These are the schools that receive and do not receive the additional points: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/1/d/1Vb3vSU...
Interesting info, thanks
By Parkwayne
Thu, 01/13/2022 - 3:28pm
Is there one which includes non-BPS schools in the city? I.e. charters, parochial, etc...
Non-BPS schools
By anon
Thu, 01/13/2022 - 3:43pm
Get nothing.
Its
By anon
Thu, 01/13/2022 - 3:36pm
Still giving some students a competitive advantage. It doesn't matter if you are adding or deducting points. Its still an unfair practice.
Misleading, under-explained article
By npyritz
Thu, 01/13/2022 - 3:46pm
True. It's a ten-point addition to the 100-point scale BPS is using to assign exam school seats. They are not taking away 10 points from anyone's GPA (or even adding 10-points to anyone's GPA).
And it has absolutely nothing to do with punishing high-performing schools. It is based entirely on how economically disadvantaged the schools' populations are. It does not matter if it is the best or worst performing school.
It is in some ways a convoluted, confusing system, and BPS has done as terrible a job of explaining it to parents as they did when they overhauled the school choice system several years ago, but this article has also done a terrible job of explaining what is actually going on, which has lead to a number of comments which are way off-base.
Your explanation is misleading too...
By anon
Thu, 01/13/2022 - 4:07pm
This year, a student's standing on the 100-point scale is determined solely by their GPA, so how is adding the 10 points not adding directly to a student's GPA?
For example: two students each receive a 90 on the 100-point scale, based on their GPA. One student attends a qualifying school, and the other doesn't. The first student will be at 100 points, and the second will be at 90. If this is not called "adding", please let me know so that I can re-enroll in BPS ESL.
Even in future years, where an exam will be administered, each student's standing on the 100-point scale will be determined by a 70% GPA, 30% exam formula. This means that the 10-point bonus will still be added on top of a score that is largely determined by their GPA.
They are adding points to the GPA!
By anon
Thu, 01/13/2022 - 5:43pm
Ten points are added to the GPA of students in a BPS school where 40% or more of the students come from families who are economically disadvantaged. This is the majority of BPS schools! Eleven BPS schools in total will not get the extra points.
So if a student as a 99 GPA and they are in a school that qualifies for bonus points, they will now have a 109 GPA. In order to get into the pool students must have a B GPA. Effectively nearly all BPS students in the pool will have an A with the 10 points added to their GPA.
If a students lives in public housing they get an extra 15 points added to their score, so a 99 GPA becomes a 114 GPA.
Then students are assigned tiers based on their economic situation. There are 8 tiers and about 125 seats to allocate in each tier across the 3 exam schools. The tiers include families from across the city, not just in a specific neighborhood.
Students who do not get the bonus points, and are assigned to the higher tiers will have a very hard time getting a seat at the exam schools. This includes students from the BPS schools who are not allotted extra points, students in charter schools, METCO, parochial schools and private schools.
A test is coming back this year for applicants this fall, and it will count 30% towards the admissions formula. Everything else with bonus point and tiers will remain the same. The tests will be administered this spring and this fall.
Many parents do not understand the new system and they will be very surprised in May when the exam school results come out this year. There are very few options available for students in a K-6 school if they do not have a seat elsewhere by May of the 6th grade.
BPS has information on their web site about how the process will work this year.
https://www.bostonpublicschools.org/site/default.a...
There is a map on the web site where families can enter their address and see what tier they will fall into.
Very Old News
By LTG
Thu, 01/13/2022 - 5:51pm
How is this news? And it's confusing. Is this about the CTown Innovation proposal or exam schools. If exam schools, this has been going on since July since SJW supporters (all applying to exam schools right now. You know who you are) endorsed a small group of CRT experts to create this mess and let's face it, racially balance BLS. And you forgot the Alighieri and Manning - not getting bonus points.
-Manning
-Alighieri
-Lyndon
-Kilmer
-BTU
-Elliott
Rich kids go to bonus point schools and poor kids go to non-bonus point schools. Don't forget the 8 socioeconomic tiers. Rich kids live in poor socioeconomic tiers and poor kids like in rich socioeconmic tiers. Advantages given to rich kids and disadvantages given to poor kids arbitrarilty and capriciously.
https://www.change.org/p/mayor-wu-no-10-point-pena...
But points are being added...
By anon
Thu, 01/13/2022 - 3:57pm
To all BPS students, except for students attending the four schools that Adam listed (plus the Mozart, so that makes it five). The very large number of students who receive additional points makes it a penalty for the students who do not.
Yes, there are a total of 11 schools (out of 120) on your list that won't get points. So let's go through the 6 others:
1. So because the number of
By Jm
Fri, 01/14/2022 - 3:10pm
1. So because the number of kids applying is small at the Aleghieri, it doesn’t matter?
2. No. 5th graders at the Manning do not have a guaranteed pathway to BTU because they added a 6th grade two years ago. Definitely not one and the same. Your info is behind the times.
3. It counts what school the students is at in 5th grade so any guaranteed 6th grade pathways wouldn’t matter anyhow.
A 10 point bonus for everyone
By anon
Thu, 01/13/2022 - 3:57pm
A 10 point bonus for everyone else is the exact same thing as a 10 point penalty. Especially since Eliot School parents have discovered that ZERO kids from there would get into the exam schools under this plan.
Is this in addition to the incredibly stupid low-income zip code preference plan, which hurts poor kids who live in a zip code that's rich on average?
When I read the title I
By Notfromboston
Thu, 01/13/2022 - 4:01pm
When I read the title I thought I don't know grammar, but now I realize I also don't know math.
BikeBoston, Based on the data
By AS
Thu, 01/13/2022 - 4:02pm
BikeBoston, Based on the data you provided, they are penalizing higher-performing schools. All of 120+ Boston schools except 9 schools are eligible for 10 extra points. That tells me that they are penalizing the 9 specific schools.
Instead of creating these complex systems to pick exam schools making it a zero-sum game, why not increase the number of seats in exam schools or build another exam school or magnet school of BLS caliber? Why do we need to stick to three exam schools with a limited number of seats?
Giving access to an exam school to a student from a disadvantaged school does not mean you need to take away the place of equally deserving students from Eliot or another good school.
There is enough demand, interest, resources, and money in the city of Boston for another high-performing exam school. All students, whether they are economically disadvantaged or advantaged, deserve a high-quality high school.
"We're not penalizing you.
By Refugee
Thu, 01/13/2022 - 4:20pm
"We're not penalizing you. We're just giving a bonus to your opponents."
evil: a > b - x
good: a + x > b
Kinda like those same parents
By anon
Thu, 01/13/2022 - 4:21pm
Kinda like those same parents that get better schools just b/c of where they live...that's not unfair at all.
The plan doesn’t help
By Anon
Thu, 01/13/2022 - 4:31pm
The plan doesn’t help disadvantaged students. All schools have some disadvantaged students. If you go to a West Roxbury school and you are low income you get zero extra points. The only thing that this plan accomplishes is eliminating students from certain neighborhoods.
Giving 10 bonus points to all
By Anon
Thu, 01/13/2022 - 4:39pm
Giving 10 bonus points to all “disadvantaged†schools does not help the students, it just eliminates the students who get no points.
opponents, they're students
By Los
Thu, 01/13/2022 - 5:04pm
opponents, they're students in elementary, what the hell are you talking about?
To 2104 of your opponents, 568 who aren't econ disadvantaged
By Kathleen
Thu, 01/13/2022 - 6:38pm
The reasons the superintendent cited for the points was (1) to correct for the historical overrepresentation of invitations at 7 BPS schools and (2) to prevent the exclusion of 10 sending schools that have historically received <5 invitations.
On the first point, 3 of the 7 schools deemed overrepresented (the Quincy, the Murphy and the Ohrenberger) actually receive bonus points and will see no change or an increase in their admission rates.
On the second point, of the ten schools that historically received <5 invitations, five schools will still receive <5 invitations. The net gain for the other schools as a result of the 10 points is just 4 seats this year. That’s 4 seats for 854 6th graders. The reason the 10 points do not work for these schools is (1) most of the students at these schools do not earn the minimum B GPA required to apply and (2) because almost everyone gets points, no one really benefits from the points - least of all the most disadvantaged students. These students are still competing with almost everyone.
That is why the 10 points should be viewed as a penalty. The only thing they accomplish is to penalize 4 of the 7 “overrepresented†schools (the Lyndon, the Kilmer, the Eliot and BTU Pilot) and the 5th school, the Alighieri, gets hit in the crossfire. They also penalize most non-BPS schools which is obviously the intent.
The good stuff
By emac
Thu, 01/13/2022 - 10:56pm
Hundreds of years of slavery, decades of Jim Crow, redlining, school segregation and systematic school underfunding* and here’s someone kvetching about how poorly treated the rich white kids of Boston are.
This is the good shit!
*edit: I left out decades of an exam school selection process begot by a noted racist with predictably prejudiced results.
This made me wonder how my
By redheadedjen
Fri, 01/14/2022 - 11:51am
This made me wonder how my grandfather got to BLS. He lived in Chelsea. There were shenanigans there!
Classic BPS
By anon
Thu, 01/13/2022 - 3:30pm
Run a school into the ground to such a degree that the parents take over. A new principal is hired and works her tail off for ten years to turn the school around. Enrollment soars, the place becomes a true success story for the families. And now Casellius resents the school because it’s not a BPS success story.
Casellius is enacting revenge on children. Think about that.
Be right back
By Will LaTulippe
Thu, 01/13/2022 - 4:43pm
I'm getting a fresh pack of Trojans.
Is there also a plan in place...
By Friartuck
Thu, 01/13/2022 - 4:57pm
To deduct 10 points from MCAS scores from students at these higher performing schools just for shits and giggles?
There is no plan in place to
By npyritz
Thu, 01/13/2022 - 5:00pm
There is no plan in place to deduct any points from higher performing schools.
Very Old News
By A+ Annie
Thu, 01/13/2022 - 5:33pm
Don't forget the Manning and the Alighieri. Whether you get 10 bonus points is determined by which school you go to the year prior to applying for exam school (5th or 7th).
Thank the self-righteous, privileged SJWs for supporting this mess - those who are ALL applying to exam school right now (you know who you are). Also thank the biased Exam School Task Force who created this mess, several more outspoken and influential than others (you know who you are).
Tanisha Sullivan, President, NAACP Boston Branch and former BPS Chief Equity Officer
Rosann Tung, Independent (Critical Race Theory) Researcher
Matt Cregor, Mental Health Legal Advisors Committee, Supreme Judicial Court
Simon Chernow, student, Boston Latin Academy
Zena Lum, parent, Boston Latin Academy
Michael Contompasis, former Boston Latin School Head of School and former BPS Superintendent
Pastor Samuel Acevedo, Co-Chair, Opportunity and Achievement Gaps Task Force
Acacia Aguirre, parent, John D. O’Bryant School of Math and Science
Tanya Freeman-Wisdom, Head of School, John D. O’Bryant School of Math and Science
Rachel Skerritt, Head of School, Boston Latin School
Katherine Grassa, Principal, Curley K-8 School
Zoe Nagasawa, student, Boston Latin School
Tamara Waite, parent, Philbrick Elementary School
There's no link to the
By Vicki
Thu, 01/13/2022 - 5:43pm
There's no link to the Patriot-Bridge article. It looks like a line or two was dropped from this UHub item.
This Is Old News
By A+ Annie
Thu, 01/13/2022 - 5:49pm
How is this news? And it's confusing. Is this about the CTown Innovation proposal or exam schools. If exam schools, this has been going on since July since SJW supporters (all applying to exam schools right now. You know who you are) endorsed a small group of CRT experts to create this mess and let's face it, racially balance BLS. And you forgot the Alighieri and Manning - not getting bonus points.
-Manning
-Alighieri
-Lyndon
-Kilmer
-BTU
-Elliott
Rich kids go to bonus point schools and poor kids go to non-bonus point schools. Don't forget the 8 socioeconomic tiers. Rich kids live in poor socioeconomic tiers and poor kids like in rich socioeconmic tiers. Advantages given to rich kids and disadvantages given to poor kids arbitrarilty and capriciously.
https://www.change.org/p/mayor-wu-no-10-point-pena...
The most fun part
By Sock_Puppet
Fri, 01/14/2022 - 7:25am
Will be watching parents crunch the numbers and figure out how to work the system to get their kids the most bonus points. There will likely be open 5th grade seats in the poorest schools.
OK
By emac
Fri, 01/14/2022 - 12:04pm
What’s wrong with that? (There are two bonuses, correct? School stats and living in DPH, then there’s the tier system — look for tier 6 or 7 neighborhoods instead of tier 8.) Where’s the problem?
You bit
By Sock_Puppet
Fri, 01/14/2022 - 12:56pm
Any guesses as to the socioeconomic profile of the parents who figure out how to manipulate the system and max their points?
The more complicated the system, the more it will favor those able and likely to understand complicated systems.
Two things
By emac
Fri, 01/14/2022 - 4:24pm
I agree, never bet against privileged people using their political and economic power to tip the scales in their favor.
But:
1. …the old system wasn’t thoroughly prejudiced in favor of those socioeconomically advantaged people?
2. I said this elsewhere, but I’m encouraged by at least one aspect of what’s happening at Charlestown High.* Before 2020 lots of those socioeconomically advantaged people said “exam school admissions aren’t the problem, don’t fix what’s not broke — fix the other schools.†Did they give a shit about those other schools? Of course not. Now that their exam advantage is gone, lo and behold North End parents give a shit about improving other schools. I really hope that parents finally giving a shit about schools that aren’t the three exam schools becomes a trend.
*I don’t pretend to fully understand the Charlestown proposal or every party’s perspective. My opinion is limited to the aspect that I discuss.
Very Old News
By A+ Annie
Thu, 01/13/2022 - 5:50pm
How is this news? And it's confusing. Is this about the CTown Innovation proposal or exam schools. If exam schools, this has been going on since July since SJW supporters (all applying to exam schools right now. You know who you are) endorsed a small group of CRT experts to create this mess and let's face it, racially balance BLS. And you forgot the Alighieri and Manning - not getting bonus points.
-Manning
-Alighieri
-Lyndon
-Kilmer
-BTU
-Elliott
Rich kids go to bonus point schools and poor kids go to non-bonus point schools. Don't forget the 8 socioeconomic tiers. Rich kids live in poor socioeconomic tiers and poor kids like in rich socioeconmic tiers. Advantages given to rich kids and disadvantages given to poor kids arbitrarilty and capriciously.
https://www.change.org/p/mayor-wu-no-10-point-pena...
It is frustrating how
By DPM
Thu, 01/13/2022 - 6:14pm
It is frustrating how unappealing the school system can make the city. I grew up in Boston, did not got to public school, and only left in my late 20s for cheaper pastures, slightly south.
Now married with a kid on the way and in a more secure financial situation would love to look at returning to the city, but the public school system is a major detractor. I want my kids to attend public schools, not Catholic schools as I did.
Yeah, Boston has plenty of demand for housing already, and it does not need my money. But it does have a distinct lack of professional families raising kids in the school system. In my opinion that exodus of professional families has a negative effect on the overall system, despite the resultant increase in available funding on a per student basis. Decisions like this help reinforce that negative stigma BPS has.
I still want to move back into Boston. My suburban raised wife? Not so much.
Similar thoughts
By robo
Thu, 01/13/2022 - 6:43pm
I currently live in Dorchester and just had a beautiful baby boy. There’s zero chance we will send him to BPS at any level. I’m not trying to toot my own horn here, but we both have solid jobs and do very well financially and we will make sure he gets the best education possible. Unfortunately, that’s not BPS.
Give it a shot
By emac
Thu, 01/13/2022 - 8:10pm
You can do it.
https://schoolyardnews.com/bps-makes-your-kids-interesting-90bb4261212e
(The other litmus test I’d recommend is to look up pictures from Hingham schools. If you’re not bothered by how fucking pasty those pictures are, the thought of your kid growing up knowing nothing but that — then go ahead. Winchester will do too. Walpole. Norwell. Shit, there are a lot of vanilla burbs, aren’t there? Otherwise stay. It’s a ride, but be brave.)
But what schools did the kids
By Jm
Fri, 01/14/2022 - 3:13pm
But what schools did the kids referenced in this article attend…the exam schools.
Gambling
By robo
Sat, 01/15/2022 - 12:29am
Sorry, not going to gamble on his education with these shenanigans. I’m brave, not stupid. He will get the best education we can afford and, again, that’s absolutely not BPS.
Exam schools
By Parkwayne
Thu, 01/13/2022 - 8:18pm
The K-5 schools are fine, especially in the Parkway and Dot. Exam schools are all top notch and are nearly 25% of the BPS high school seats.
Honestly, it's fine.
By Parkwayne
Thu, 01/13/2022 - 7:21pm
My kids have gone to a mix of charter and BPS school and it's been mostly fine.
That’s awesome
By emac
Thu, 01/13/2022 - 8:09pm
Which schools? We’re at Mozart, glad we’re there on many levels.
You are out of luck - the Mozart does not get bonus points
By dotrat
Fri, 01/14/2022 - 9:10am
A little known fact is that the policy uses your 5th grade school to determine whether you get the bonus points. The Mozart is not mentioned because it doesn't have any applicants to exam schools since it only goes through 5th grade but at 36.1% low-income per DESE, students who attend the Mozart in 5th grade will not get bonus points, regardless of the school they attend in 6th.
https://profiles.doe.mass.edu/general/general.aspx...
I’m aware
By emac
Fri, 01/14/2022 - 12:02pm
.
BPS spends ONE HUNDRED TWENTY
By anon
Thu, 01/13/2022 - 8:17pm
BPS spends ONE HUNDRED TWENTY EIGHT MILLION DOLLARS PER YEAR on transportation.
That money could go to hiring 2,500 teachers at starting pay of $50k per year.
End Busing, end the lottery. Bring back neighborhood schools. Laser focus extra staff and social services in neighborhoods schools that need it.
BPS been nonsense for 50 years.
So…
By emac
Thu, 01/13/2022 - 10:09pm
(Wait, was there a link?)
Anyways, what we’re saying is that once you cut off the near-guaranteed path for (relatively) rich kids to sequester in one of the three exam schools, then all the sudden the parents get serious about investing in and improving the other schools?
(Setting aside the years of bad-faith arguments from parents of kids safely ensconced in exam schools that BPS shouldn’t “mess with success†but should fix the other schools — bad faith because in fact those parents couldn’t care less about the other schools.)
I've added a link to the original story
By adamg
Thu, 01/13/2022 - 10:27pm
Very belatedly, for which I apologize, but here it is again:
https://charlestownbridge.com/2022/01/12/eliot-school-parents-circulatin...
Thanks
By emac
Thu, 01/13/2022 - 11:20pm
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My kid is learning nothing
By Anon
Fri, 01/14/2022 - 8:37am
My kid is learning nothing this year in an exam school. The teachers don’t show up for work, he sometimes only has one class per day.
The Eliot was going out-of-business 15 years ago
By Former Eliot parent
Sat, 01/15/2022 - 9:40pm
When my child was in 2nd grade in 2007, the Eliot was slated to be closed. Abysmal enrollment + even more abysmal performance.
Then a new principal was hired, Traci Walker Griffith. She spent the first couple of years - and many hours - getting the school on track, and enlisting staff, parent, and community support. It was a ridiculous amount of work (that should have been done by ‘Court Street’) but we were all-in.
And then the real work began - many more hours (and years) dedicated to improving the course curriculum and learning experience.
The Eliot had very few students accepted to exam school before Mrs. Griffith arrived. There were no ‘privileged’ families when my children attended the Eliot.
My husband and I have often said BPS should replicate the work and focus Mrs. Griffith and her team have put in place.
This needs to be in place for ALL BPS students. The Eliot should not be penalized for working hard and committing to the success of its students.
I love how Bostonian' fight
By anon
Sat, 01/15/2022 - 10:20pm
I love how Bostonian' fight over a few hundred seats in stars if setting up thousands. No political agenda is going to set your kid up to pass LSAT or GRE. The T and Post office pay better than poetry too.
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