By adamg on Thu., 5/26/2022 - 9:04 am
Mom Hustle reports:
My 5 year old BPS student does "quiet drills" where the children sit in their cubbies silently. My daughter said she just snuggles her stuffies. They aren't told what it's for.
Part of a longer discussion on crazed-killer drills in Boston schools.
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Crazy people not needed for guns to be bad
By perruptor
Thu, 05/26/2022 - 8:35pm
I'm not going to bore you all with another list of links to news reports of accidental shootings by policemen, gun safety instructors, gun range masters, and other "properly trained" good guys with guns. If you're interested, you can find lots and lots of those stories. Guns are intrinsically dangerous. They're designed to be, to apply lethal force with a minimum of preparation or effort. They do that really well. If only humans were designed that well to be able to control their impulses, twitches, clumsiness, substance use, anger, and general human randomness.
You're not going to increase school safety by introducing more guns to schools. Just the opposite. Introducing guns to any situation inevitably makes that a more dangerous situation. More guns, more danger. This isn't just common sense. Numerous studies bear it out.
Evidence
By perruptor
Fri, 05/27/2022 - 5:51am
Here's some evidence that more guns = more danger:
A society with fewer guns is safer. Gun fetishists are going to say that I'm advocating sacrificing freedom for security, but I'm actually advocating that we prioritize the freedom from fear of being shot over the freedom of gun-cultists and their enablers to make our being shot acceptable.
Press candidates for public office to take a stand on gun control. Don't vote for any candidate who enables the gun subculture. Even Bernie Sanders should be held to this standard.
Less guns is more safe
By Bostonperson
Fri, 05/27/2022 - 3:26pm
Yes. I never said that wasn’t true or tried to imply otherwise. More criminals with guns means more gun crimes and many legal gun owners kill themselves with their own gun.
Guns in the hands of bad people are bad. One can declare all guns to be bad, fine. What about the ones we are shipping to the Ukraine? Or the guns the secret service carry to protect the President? Or dare I say, the police?
If you’ve ever been shot at and unarmed, it is an incredibly powerless and scary feeling. If you’ve ever had your kids shot at, it’s even worse. I have experienced both of these situations and it is more awful than you can imagine. The police showed up in every time very quickly (less than 90 seconds) and armed with guns. If armed police did not show up, the bullets would have kept flying and my kids could be dead.
We should be pressing candidates and district attorney’s to uphold the law and do everything in their power to keep the residents of their district safe by keeping gun offenders off of the street.
I too think we should be prioritizing the freedom from fear of being shot, as do many residents in this city and others who live with and have survived gun violence.
Uvalde
By lbb
Fri, 05/27/2022 - 7:08pm
Tell that to the people of Uvalde.
Those cops
By Bostonperson
Fri, 05/27/2022 - 7:33pm
Those cops that arrived on scene are sorry pieces of garbage and did not do their jobs. There will be an investigation into their unwillingness to enter the school.
The Boston police did do their jobs and were willing to go towards gunfire to save lives. I would imagine there are different levels of training in Uvalde than Boston, but I don’t have details on that.
Also
By perruptor
Fri, 05/27/2022 - 12:49pm
It seems that there are still mandatory sentences on the books for carrying an unlicensed firearm in MA, but these sentences are not being applied. At one time, there were even signs at the state borders, warning gun-toters of the jail time they were risking. Why are these sentences not being applied? The people illegally carrying guns are a danger to us all. Lock them up. Make room by letting some drug users out.
Let's Pretend You Care About Chicago
By Pete X
Fri, 05/27/2022 - 1:34pm
Agreed, in this case better door security might've helped. I'm guessing the school already had some kind of door policy that they let slip. But blaming elementary school security is just surrendering to gun nut culture instead of facing the problem head on. How are you going to do that to every church, every shopping mall, every grocery store, etc, etc...?
All that being said, lets pretend that you, a garbage troll who claims "CRT" is ruining america's youth, actually care anything about "60 juveniles" in Chicago.
You know a good way to decrease shootings in Chicago? Remove the easy access to guns people in Chicago have from neighboring states like Indiana. 60% of the guns used in crimes in Chicago were purchased out of state. https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/national-internati...
How do we fix that "systemic" problem"? How about a national gun licensing program like we have in Massachusetts where we have some of the lowest rates of gun deaths in the country? There's no need to re-invent the wheel. https://www.vox.com/2018/11/13/17658028/massachuse...
Or...
By lbb
Fri, 05/27/2022 - 7:10pm
...let's consider the case of Dylann Roof, who also didn't have to shoot his way through a locked door. He went to a bible study meeting, was greeted with trust, and killed a bunch of people.
"Lock the doors" isn't an answer if you want a free and open society. It isn't the answer if you want a society where people can extend trust to others. But maybe you don't want those things?
You can
By Bostonperson
Fri, 05/27/2022 - 7:24pm
You can definitely lock the doors of an elementary school. They do this in Boston and many towns throughout New England, New York, and the rest of the country.
If I operated a place of religious worship, I would consider keeping only one entrance unlocked along with some kind of security check point.
Of course I want a free and open society where we can all extend trust to others, but keeping people safe takes priority over ideology. Why are you so hostile?
Pete you keep putting words in my mouth
By Bostonperson
Fri, 05/27/2022 - 7:15pm
I never said “ruining.†I said a number of things but I didn’t say that.
Nearly all guns used in crimes are purchased illegally. I am aware that lax gun laws in neighboring states can create a problem in a state with strict laws, allowing criminals more sources for illegal purchase. Guns are trafficked into the cities from neighboring states or far away states.
A national law tightening things up would help, but both republicans and democrats nationally are holding that up. We’ll see if they can compromise on anything after yet another tragedy.
I care about innocent people, especially kids, being shot anywhere. It’s nice we are having a national discussion on the issue, but the fact is kids are shot in this country all the time and there is rarely little coverage in the national media because it doesn’t sell like school shootings. A dozen kids every six weeks in Chicago apparently isn’t enough. If 20 kids in first grade and now 20 in another elementary school isn’t enough, then I honestly don’t know what will do it.
I do know a small percentage of the population has to live with gun violence at a much higher rate than the rest and this problem is systemic. Within this subset, it is an even smaller percentage of people consistently perpetrating acts of gun violence and they are often members of gangs.
Gang violence taking over neighborhoods (and cities) is never something to take lightly and is not easy to rein back in when things get out of control. More community intervention programs, gang units, tougher sentencing, and stricter gun laws can be used in combination to lower gun deaths, which would actually be much higher without the magic that doctors are performing these days.
For a lone wolf shooting, like these AR-15 military style school shootings, there are almost always enablers that allow the sociopath to commit their crime. They house and feed them knowing they have deadly weapons and growing mental health problems. There are also online enablers if the criminal is talking to anyone about their desires and it goes unreported.
In both situations, mental health intervention is needed and should be focused on. Whatever is happening in school is not moving in the right direction to improve the mental health of young people, otherwise we would have the data to prove that. The numbers are mostly trending in the wrong direction.
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