By adamg on Thu., 3/24/2022 - 8:31 pm
WBUR reports that Suffolk County - Boston and three far smaller communities - lost 24,000 people from 2020 to 2021.
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You could be right
By brianjdamico
Fri, 03/25/2022 - 11:03am
but you definitely haven't provided enough support in your statement to assign such causality.
Enrollment is going down
By Bostonperson
Fri, 03/25/2022 - 5:00pm
Enrollment in a number of cities is going down at a much higher rate than other areas.
https://www.bostonindicators.org/reports/report-we...
“ Boston Public Schools (BPS) experienced an enrollment decline of more than 2,000 students this year for a total decline of just over 4,500 across the pandemic. This change is not encouraging when placed against state enrollment, which remained flat compared to last year.â€
There are around 54,000 BPS students. They’re close to losing 10% in 2 years.
https://www.npr.org/2021/12/15/1062999168/school-e...
But that doesn’t establish causality
By brianjdamico
Fri, 03/25/2022 - 8:19pm
That just repeats the statement that enrollment is down and happening rapidly, which I was not nor do I have any reason to question. Enrollment in schools dropping would likely trend with overall population decreases, but the fact alone that it is happening does not assign a cause.
Does it matter?
By robo
Fri, 03/25/2022 - 8:35pm
BPS is in a lot of trouble if their per student cost goes above $30k, which they’re dangerously close to now.
And to question your questioning - BPS student population is decreasing at a rapid pace. What other cause is there aside from people leaving the city or moving their kids to private school both of which are bad for BPS? You’re getting caught in the details and the true answer is obvious.
Does supporting your position matter?
By brianjdamico
Fri, 03/25/2022 - 8:53pm
I guess only if you want to be taken seriously.
My position?
By robo
Fri, 03/25/2022 - 9:19pm
I don’t have one.
I’m leaving the state because I can continue to make lots and lots of money in a state that costs 1/3 that of Boston AND has way better weather (hint - it’s not Florida). BPS was never really an issue for us because we make enough money to send our son to the best of the best without noticing it, but it’s still frustrating that I’m continuing (for a little while longer) to pay for that disgrace.
"Better weather" is relative
By merlinmurph
Sat, 03/26/2022 - 10:16am
I have no problem with winter and actually embrace it.
Warm climates are unbearingly hot in the summer, at least for me.
To each, his/her/their own.
Fair point
By robo
Sat, 03/26/2022 - 11:06am
Like everything, ‘nice’ weather varies person to person. July/August is warm where I’m going, but that’s why we have a beautiful in ground pool. ;)
We hate the cold, but love winter activities, which is why we’re in the process of buying a condo in Park City, UT too. Waaaay better skiing and we only experience the cold when we want to.
I think there is enough proof
By Bostonperson
Sat, 03/26/2022 - 10:37pm
You’re correct in saying correlation does not imply causation, however, I think if you look at the disparity in dropping enrollment in cities vs their states, you will see the numbers do not lie. Schools in cities stayed closed longer than in suburban and rural areas during Covid. This definitely factored into parents deciding to enroll their children in other schools that were open, either through moving or going to private school.
The people making the decisions to keep the schools closed for so long should have seen this coming, as well as any other problems that have arisen or increased.
Even prior tro 1974, people were moving to the suburbs.
By mplo
Sat, 03/26/2022 - 4:01pm
It was happening long before busing came in.
Will only get worse
By willisan
Fri, 03/25/2022 - 6:32pm
As we continue to reduce standards of the few good schools left for "diversity."
Yeah!
By emac
Sat, 03/26/2022 - 9:14am
Schools should only serve the white kids who can afford tutoring! Fuck yeah, willisan!
Which suburb do you live in, by the way?
Right now, I am barely able
By redheadedjen
Fri, 03/25/2022 - 10:41am
Right now, I am barely able to afford to live here in Boston. I can't afford to get the first, last, security and brokers fee needed to move (which could be over $10,000) And if I move farther from Boston, the cost to commute to my job goes way up. Commuter rail passes are very expensive. So any money I save, goes to commuting.
Ten grand?
By Will LaTulippe
Fri, 03/25/2022 - 12:44pm
Where are you trying to move, London? I just paid $2,550 for first/last/security.
First: 2400
By redheadedjen
Fri, 03/25/2022 - 1:33pm
First: 2400
Last:2400
Security:2400
Broker: 2400
Total: 9600
Rent for my 2.5 bedroom in Hyde Park is 2400 a month.
2550? For all 3? You can't get a closet for that amount. Have you been living on the moon?
yeah, in Vermont?
By Parkwayne
Fri, 03/25/2022 - 4:14pm
You can't tell us you're moving to VT and then act like the housing costs are the same there as here?
My Brighton house now
By Will LaTulippe
Fri, 03/25/2022 - 4:23pm
First: $875
Last: $875
Security: $437.50
Broker fee: $437.50
I paid $2,625. Two roommates.
Jen, who sleeps in the other 1.5 bedrooms in your home, and do they pay bills?
You paid that ... in the last 12 months?
By Parkwayne
Fri, 03/25/2022 - 7:17pm
I'd guess the majority of three BR apartments have an average rent payer per unit under 2, being occupied by single parents or families.
Yep
By Will LaTulippe
Fri, 03/25/2022 - 7:52pm
I live with two single roommates.
My rent was $525 when I moved down there in 2003 first year (Cambridge apartment before I knew which Boston neighborhoods were hip).
Was $530 from 2004 well into the 2010's. I got lucky. Went 15 years without moving, and I waited out some real (expletive) roommates in the process. Got to $750 circa 2016(?). Went to $775 in 2019, now $875.
And now I get to live alone again after ending with a couple of really good ones. You didn't break me, Boston.
I live with my husband, my
By redheadedjen
Sat, 03/26/2022 - 12:02am
I live with my husband, my almost 3 year old grandson and my brother. My husband takes care of the grandson, until he starts K0 at BPS in April. My brother is a lot of issues and is only working retail. My one decent salary only barely covers rent.
You are very lucky to live in that Brighton place. It is so far from the norm to pay that rent. I am jealous.
Truth
By Will LaTulippe
Sat, 03/26/2022 - 1:35am
Certainly on the lower end for places with only two roomies at this point. I took what I could get this past November after not getting renewed at my old place for renovations.
Would 100% virtual college
By Refugee
Fri, 03/25/2022 - 11:04am
Would 100% virtual college students by itself explain this change?
Nope
By robo
Fri, 03/25/2022 - 11:40am
Virtual students are counted as if they’re on campus.
https://www.prb.org/resources/coronavirus-and-the-...
Hello from roughly 1.4K miles away
By Lecil
Fri, 03/25/2022 - 2:27pm
The trend may continue. I moved out of Boston this month. I owned my place (well, own, fingers crossed the sale goes through in a timely fashion!), so rents weren't the problem, and I don't have kids, so neither were the schools. I figure that everyone is born with only so many winters in them, and I ran out about three years ago, so I have settled into a tropical zone (yep, crazy Florida!). The real culprit is of course having a white collar job that I can do from anywhere I have a decent internet connection.
I'll always miss Boston, and I'm sure I'll visit often. During the warm non-snowy months. My ring-tone remains "Dirty Water", of course.
What's amusing is that everyone else down here is complaining about rising real estate costs, and I've got a serious case of reverse-sticker-shock. Just shows how truly insane the prices up there are. I am sympathetic to those who don't have the ability to move somewhere warmer or cheaper!
Hah!
By Michael Kerpan
Fri, 03/25/2022 - 7:32pm
One of the reasons I moved here from Georgia was colder weather and less sun... ;-)
The current US birth rate of
By anon
Fri, 03/25/2022 - 4:58pm
The current US birth rate of 1.7 will take care of this housing shortage within 2 generations.
Schools are tough, housing is expensive and the Traffic!
By hydeparkish
Fri, 03/25/2022 - 8:40pm
We bought a home in Boston in 2011 , at the bottom of the market so we could cash out and move out of the city, But anywhere we'd want to go is more expensive due to higher demand than Boston, higher taxes by double if nothing else due to our residential exemption. And our kids are in BPS doing pretty well, so we're staying, atleast for now as Milton isn't getting cheaper! Hopefully the schools will improve as the headcount goes down.
And we bought a two family in New Bedford last year as an investment, our tenants pay $875 and $1,050 each for a small two bedroom, so that's an example of a city that's still affordable, for now until the train to Boston stops down there....
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