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Even with almost all the new power-leaking Orange Line cars fixed and back on the rails, MBTA begins to study bringing back some remaining rolling rec rooms

Old Orange Line car

Fire up the eight-track, Mabel, let's party!

The MBTA reports it's replaced all those nasty old, um, new power cables on Orange Line cars that might have started arcing at a moment's notice, so there are now nine trains hurtling along the tracks, or almost the ten that is now considered normal, well, except when something else goes wrong.

Still, you can't be too safe, so the T is now "developing a backup plan using some older cars temporarily if needed." Guess it's a good thing the T hasn't managed to truck all those wheezers down to the junkyard to be crushed into extended metal pancakes and there are still some left sitting around at Wellington and along the Arnold Arboretum.

Sure, they're a bit rusty, but they got you where you wanted to go, usually:

Rusty old Orange Line car

Plus, remember when the T was able to run trains every four minutes? Ask your grandparents.

Trains every four minutes

All that's missing is a disco ball:

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You hint at it, but what's the status of the newly hired dispatchers? To remind people, what's why Orange Line service went from 16 trains to 10 (except when it's only 7 or 8 during weekday rush hour.)

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On days I go into the office, I have been asking myself should I take the 39 bus or take the over crowded train to Forest Hills. I generally wait for the next train if my anxiety is getting to me but they are all super crowded lately. I have been taking the 39, while slower but less crowded.

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Demand is clearly back but the service levels simply aren’t. Every time I’ve ridden the train anywhere close to rush hour it is absolutely packed and it’s been pretty busy in the off hours too. Need to bring the service levels back, the T is stunting is own ridership recovery numbers with abysmal service.

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What makes an already-bad situation worse is the fact that most people riding the MBTA trains and buses do not wear masks, which doesn't help when we're in the middle of a goddamned pandemic.

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It is mainly crowded because there are about 20 minutes or so between trains.

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The T and feds have blamed lack of dispatchers and surely that's part of the reason. But given the T's lack of transparency and general hardware problems it wouldn't be surprising if the real reason for the long headways is simply because they don't have enough working trains coupled with speed restrictions.

The longer the region goes with long headways, the more likely it becomes the agency target as if it's always been that way.

The T has a habit of making "Temporary service changes" permanent.

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SHNS via NBC Boston December 7, 2022: MBTA Makes Hiring Progress, But Still Needs Dispatchers

https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/mbta-makes-hiring-progress-but-stil...

The MBTA is getting close to a fully staffed slate of subway dispatchers

there are 27 dispatchers working in the operations control center, and six prospective workers are in a training program to become dispatchers.

Officials would like to bulk up that critical office to about 32 dispatchers, Ester said, though he added that he would "put an asterisk by it" until the T completes a full workforce assessment required by the Federal Transit Administration.

As of April 29, the FTA found, the T had only 14 heavy rail dispatchers

So as of about one month ago, the T has nearly doubled their dispatch staff from when the FTA report came out, and has 6 more in training to get to the needed 32 total, and then maybe they will hire more once the full workforce assessment is completed?

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that over the next several months we're going to hear a lot more of this, as the scope of the mess Charlie left Maura becomes clearer.

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May he never return.

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Unfortunately, the MBTA's woes are not only due to our former governor Charlie Baker. The MBTA, including the Orange Line, and the Green, which has always been the world's worst, has been a mess for years. Unfortunately, I don't see it getting better anytime soon.

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Graffiti vandals will spray-paint the old trains and boom boxes will blast disco music to give us the seventies vibe.

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so there's that.

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I think I’d enjoy riding one of these cars one more time just for the nostalgia.

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The old trains still make me feel at home more than the new ones, even though the new ones were desperately needed.

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I’m all for nostalgia, where it belongs…in Kennebunkport, next to the Northampton el station at the Seashore Trolley Museum.

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They've only been out of service for a few months now.

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… for when you’re allowed to feel nostalgia?

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"Do I have enough time to take the T? Or should I walk."

Read this recently. Sums up the state of the T with tight concision.

Yesterday I needed to travel from point A to point B on the 39 route. The app which supposedly shows the predicted data of bus arrivals showed that the next bus to reach Point A was in 3 minutes. I walked to Point B instead since it was doable. No bus appeared by the time I reached my destination. About 20 minutes.

I chose wisely. Less time was needed to walk than needed for taking the 39.

I kept thinking that three words identify the state of the subway and bus system: Poor, bad and death.

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I'm not sure if there's anyone at the T who actually manages bus headway, or if it's just up to drivers in the field to figure it out themselves. But it's gotten way worse recently, and it has nothing to do with the rail operations center. On major routes like the #1 or 77, you'll see next bus arrival times like "18 min, 19 min" or "24 min, 26 min". Really? Why is no one managing the spacing of those buses - maybe hold one, express another ahead to a midroute point. It seems like no one at the T thinks about how to manage the reliability of these heavily-travelled bus lines.

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The 32 out of Forest Hills seems to be the one they pull drivers from especially in the evening like at 7 because I have been waiting and waiting while there are several buses of other lower busways coming like Mattapan and Ashmont and the 16. The 32 seems to be a forgotten but wicked busy route.

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That's not the least big surprising. You did the wise thing by going to your destination on foot, because you reached where you were going a lot faster. Public transportation, not only here in the Boston area, but in NY, Chicago, Detroit, to mention afew places here in the United States is rather inefficient, overall.

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Yeah like the UTMS LRV's that replaced the ailing PCC's in the mid 70s. And the T had to do a quick overhaul on some of the PCCs to make up the difference of the UTMS cars that were pulled quickly after being deployed because they had so many issues

its like a cycle. sigh.

I just worry we're not going to have these go up in flames and people jumping into the mystic again. Wasn't the main reason to start fresh with the CRRC cars because the old Hawker-Siddly cars were just unsafe?

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Red Line (Ashmont) rider here. I feel the pain of all you Orange Line riders.

But keep in mind that the Red Line is just plain awful these days too. And we only have 1 train with new cars. The old cars are filthy dirty inside and out and falling apart. We hear horrible noises as the trains bounce up and down on the tracks. Between the dispatcher shortage slowdowns, and the numerous slow zones, it takes forever to get where I am going.

I've been using the Red Line since the 70s. It's never been worse.

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"8 Minutes to Park Street".

The last time I had occasion to ride the Red Line in that direction it was closer to 15 minutes.

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Normally these days it's 10 minutes, due to going slowly around the sharp curve inbound of Harvard.

The TransitMatters slow zone tracker says the median travel time from Harvard to Park is currently about 10.8 minutes, which is less than the peak of 12.5 minutes in early December, but up from the baseline of 9.5 minutes over the summer. See https://dashboard.transitmatters.org/rapidtransit?config=Red,70067,70075...

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Even in the almost 25 years that I've lived in the Boston area, the Red Line has never been worse. When I moved here, the Red Line was the modern, showcase line.

Now the cars are dirty, the nose that the Pullman's make as it goes down the tracks is deafing. They were not like this back then, but when they rolled off the factory line The Monkees were a popular music group.. they are just old now.

Even the nicer (or when I moved here in 1999, the nicest in the system) Bombardier cars from 1994 are now showing their age. More issues. Louder.

And that's not even the service related issues. Cars that break down, much longer headways since covid. It sucks.

Its a far cry from what it was like in the late 90s.

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The Red Line, even back in the 1970's and the 1980's, used to be fairly decent. Unfortunately, however, it's gotten more unpredictable, like most of the MBTA. The Green Line was always the worst, and still it.

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My Dad used to have an email address of lrvvspcc. He started on the green line working for the T after he got out of Vietnam.

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Could any of this be prevented if Charlie didn't choose a Chinese low-bidder to manufacture new trainsets?

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The CRRC trains (Orange and Red) were ordered under the Patrick administration, although Baker placed an add-on order to replace the newer Bombardier cars as well.

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right? This is on MA Dems as much as Baker.

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The decision to award the contract was made by the governing board of MassDOT, the members of which are appointed by the governor. That doesn't absolve Deval Patrick of accountability but presumably he appointed generally qualified board members who unanimously made the decision that we are suffering the consequences from now.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2014/10/22/massdot-awards-red-orange-l...

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To not know which administration chose this manufacturer?

As if it matters. Both parties have done a lousy job managing the T. The Legislature has the ability to fund and fix the T and has repeatedly declined.

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To leave off which administration expanded the order for new Red Line trains from that same manufacturer? Hint: It was not the same one that placed the original order.

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When you want something done, you put someone in charge, give him or her what he or she asks for, and let him or her get the job done.

When you want it to look like you want something done, you appoint a committee. That's what Charlie Baker did.

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One Governor is to blame for the Orange Line trains and the other is to blame for the Red Line trains.

Or, on my theme, T troubles go back decades.

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If you go back in time, and look at the data in the RFP responses, the track records of the bidders, etc., the right company was awarded the contract. If there is a manufacturer problem, it's because that company no longer exists. Shortly after the contract was signed, CNR merged with CSR to form CRRC. The successor company has proven to perhaps be less reliable than the one to which we awarded the bid. But then again, there are a lot of external factors such as supply chain difficulties that are the likely real culprit for the troubled manufacturing history.

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This, find a new contractor, or turn it in to a bus line. And we all know how well it was received last time they did that...Yes, the Washington El to be exact, and the Silver Lie was one of the most racist and classist decisions they ever made.

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Finding a new contractor is one thing--and is probably the best way to go.

Turning the entire MBTA system into a bus line----forget it--Boston would cease to function as a real city if the MBTA system were turned into a bus line.

It's one thing to have temporary bus service when repairs to the MBTA system must be made, but turning the whole MBTA system, or even part of the MBTA system into a permanent bus line---forget that--it would be a complete fiasco!

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All along the big wigs in the transportation building have wanted to have the entire T leased to another company while they sit in the transportation building and manage them. That is when under utilized bus routes will disappear, because money won't be made on those routes and prices would go through the roof. No no no no no leasing of the T out.

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My grandparents would remember when trains ran every 2 minutes, like a real subway system. The stupid 1980s signal system that chokes on attempted 5 minute headways is a disaster, but it’s been like this so long that nobody thinks about fixing it.

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Back in the early 1970's, when I visited my younger sister, who was then attending undergraduate school at McGill University, in Montreal, Canada, I remember taking the metro system to go somewhere. Not only were the subway stations much cleaner, better lit, and safer, but so were the Metro trains, which ran every 2 minutes. There was a huge difference there.

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