Rally in support of Israel on Boston Common

By adamg on Sun, 10/08/2023 - 9:20pm

Combined Jewish Philanthropies, the Israeli American Council and the Jewish Community Relations Council of Greater Boston are organizing a rally at the Parkman Bandstand that starts at noon on Monday.

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Of course

By Kaz on Sun, 10/08/2023 - 10:19pm.

It's as if this nation learned nothing from its support of the apartheid state in South Africa.

Cool non sequitur bro

By Dave on Sun, 10/08/2023 - 10:34pm.

Cool non sequitur bro

Um

By adamg on Mon, 10/09/2023 - 12:08am.

Markos Moulitsas is no fan of rightwing governments. But even he's outraged:

By following Russia’s playbook of targeting civilians and children and engaging in sexual violence against women, Hamas lost any semblance of moral high ground, and rallied not just Israeli public opinion against it, but much of the world’s.

The atrocities Hamas gleefully committed against Israeli civilians yesterday were perhaps the worst I’ve seen in the last two years, and that includes my daily diet of Russian atrocities in Ukraine. It might’ve been worse than what we saw in Bucha early in the war. ...

This butchery against civilians is terrorism, plain and simple. Hamas struck Israeli military positions, even used Ukraine War-style drone warfare to destroy equipment via drone-dropped explosives. In a war, that’s all fair. It’s a problem in the broader sense of the ongoing conflict, but war is war. But directly targeting civilians isn’t a military operation, it’s a terrorist one. And the joyful celebration around that death goes beyond even Russia’s savagery in Ukraine. Russia may murder civilians and feel justified in doing so, they may even celebrate those murders, but I haven’t seen them express joy over it.

Hamas is evil

By Kaz on Mon, 10/09/2023 - 2:58pm.

I hope that subject is clear enough for everyone, even Lecil, and isn't too glib or snarky to obfuscate its meaning or anything.

However, Hamas didn't take over the PLO in Gaza overnight and the organization and its evil beliefs and desires didn't spawn from Israel treating Palestinians well and working towards an equitable solution to the destruction of the region by the post-WWII decisions of Europe that Israel has entirely benefitted from.

For literal generations, Israel has treated Palestine, Palestinians and Palestinian land, as a pet. It has abused them like an abusive owner. And Hamas is the result of generations of that abuse and now the abused pet has bit its owner worse than at any point prior. That's not something to be encouraged or proud about or happy it happened or cheer or anything else. But it's definitely understandable. It's definitely not shocking or surprising it happened (as it seems to be to some who woke up on Sunday and couldn't believe the news).

Sorry if I'm not rushing to kiss the wounds of the abusive owner. In the fallout of the Sharpeville massacre, the UN instituted a voluntary arms embargo against South Africa (the US and UK chose not to participate). And after the Soweto uprising, more of the world joined in boycotting South Africa and isolating it...but Reagan and Thatcher doubled down on supporting the apartheid government through the 80s.

And when the US and UK finally came around to cracking down on South Africa...suddenly, with basically no real allies left, apartheid broke.

So, yeah, having our government and NGOs and others rushing to aid Israel in this "moment of need" because of all the truly heinous things Hamas just did is very touching. It also shows we've learned nothing from our past errors. Which is what I've expressed. We don't need a rally for the abusive owner.

abused pets…

By bostnkid on Mon, 10/09/2023 - 3:54pm.

don’t rape women or murder entire families.

This you?

By Kaz on Mon, 10/09/2023 - 4:32pm.

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There is no justification for

By anon on Mon, 10/09/2023 - 6:03am.

There is no justification for what Hamas has done and will keep doing. The Palestinian cause will only be hurt by the terrible crimes that they committed. And in recent years, US public opinion has turned more pro-Palestine. I doubt that trend will continue

While we are talking about "no justification"

By SwirlyGrrl on Mon, 10/09/2023 - 5:48pm.

There is also no justification for fascism, apartheid policies, disenfranchisement, torture, collective punishment, rape, and summary execution because some soldier is having a bad day.

All of which Israel as a state engages in. https://www.amnesty.org/en/location/middle-east-and-north-africa/israel-...

No justification?

By FenwayFrank on Tue, 10/10/2023 - 1:03am.

While no one is claiming Israel is perfect, actions like the ones you described are generally not condoned in Israel. Israeli soldiers are routinely prosecuted for infractions, even if it may not be as frequently as one would wish. Israel would never intentionally kill civilians or allow rape and kidnapping as a policy, but Hamas, and really Gazans as a whole, evidently have no issues doing so.

This is not the place to get into arguments about the Middle East, since we have enough to worry about in Boston. However, I think the fact that Israel even bothers to try to avoid civilian casualties speaks volumes to the difference between it and Hamas. Not to mention that only one side even attempts to respect women, LGBTQ, people of different religions and ethnicities, different cultures, etc. Personally, if I’m picking a side, it’s going to be that one.

Seriously?

By Lecil on Mon, 10/09/2023 - 9:55am.

You know, it is possible to express support for Palestinian civilians and the hope for improvement in their lives without celebrating the massacre of babies, elders, and concert goers by terrorists...

And don't pretend that isn't what you just did with that glib snark you posted.

Will the DSA be counter

By anon on Sun, 10/08/2023 - 10:27pm.

Will the DSA be counter-protesting?

Yes

By Miaow on Mon, 10/09/2023 - 9:20am.

And they basically are saying that it’s OK that Hamas massacred 260 civilians at a music festival. And the parading of a woman’s body around Gaza cheering. We need peace and a two state solution, but Hamas wants the total destruction of Jews and what they did, backed by Iran, will do nothing to help the Palestinians or further a two state solution. All it did was guarantee further misery.

Got a cite?

By lbb on Mon, 10/09/2023 - 12:54pm.

And they basically are saying that it’s OK that Hamas massacred 260 civilians at a music festival.

Citation needed.

The DSC

By Boston_Bloke on Mon, 10/09/2023 - 10:36pm.

is supposed to stand against toxic masculinity. That is until a Hamas soldier wants to rape an Israeli girl.

Hate rides the rails

By anon on Mon, 10/09/2023 - 8:00am.

Whichever side you support be careful and respectful when you are riding the T to the rallies and the protests.

Rally in support of Israel on Boston Common

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