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AR-15s are meant for slaughter, not self defense, so Massachusetts man can't outfit his house with them while his suit over state gun regulations continues, judge rules

A federal judge says the state's ban on certain high-powered assault weapons complies with the Second Amendment and so he's rejected a request for a preliminary injunction that would let one Massachusetts man in particular, but also other gun fans, stock up on semi-automatic weapons and high-capacity magazines while a lawsuit over the issue wends its way through the courts.

US District Court Judge F. Dennis Saylor's ruling came last month in a suit brought by Joseph Capen, who wants to buy the "the proscribed firearms and magazines for self-defense and other purposes," and the National Association for Gun Rights over the state's ban on the ownership and sale of a specific list of rapid-fire weapons and magazines that can hold more than ten bullets, or five shotgun shells.

The AR-15s on which Capen and the gun group focused are meant for mass killing, not the sort of self defense the Supreme Court says the Second Amendment gives Americans the right to practice, and so while Capen and the gun group can continue to press their case, they cannot act as if they've already won - because, in fact, they will likely lose, Saylor concluded.

"The statute comports with the requirements of the Second Amendment, and therefore plaintiffs cannot demonstrate a likelihood of success on the merits of their claims," Saylor concluded.

Saylor wrote that recent Supreme Court rulings declaring the Second Amendment gives Americans the right to possess guns for self defense - including a ruling striking down a Massachusetts law banning stun guns - did not overturn the right of states to regulate just what sort of guns could be allowed for self defense. He noted that the decisions specifically state they are not giving Americans an absolute right to buy any sort of firearm but only ones that are "in common use" and not "dangerous and unusual."

Saylor acknowledged that Americans have put AR-15s and similar weapons "in common use" but said that at the same time, they are also "dangerous and unusual." He rejected Capen's argument that semi-automatic weapons have existed since the 1700s, since early models were far from common, and used completely different methods for spitting out more than one shot at a time, and discusses, in great detail, the unique characteristics that make AR-15s weapons of mass murder.

It seems clear - indeed beyond reasonable dispute - that there has been a "dramatic technological change" from a pepperbox-style pistol to a modern AR-15. The features of modern assault weapons - particularly the AR-15's radical increases in muzzle velocity, range, accuracy, and functionality - along with the types of injuries they can inflict are so different from colonial firearms that the two are not reasonably comparable. Even without considering the threats posed by mass shooting events, the Court is satisfied at this stage that defendant has met her burden of showing that there has been a "dramatic technological change" that, in turn, requires reasoning by analogy from the historical record. See Bruen, 597 U.S. at 27-29.

Unlike handguns, assault weapons are uniquely dangerous to law enforcement because their features allow shooters to engage targets from far greater distances, to do so more accurately, and to penetrate body armor. As a result, assault weapons are disproportionately used to kill police officers. ... [T]hey pose a unique danger to the public, among other reasons due to their destructive power. Those concerns - the protection of law enforcement and the public - have animated the states to pass regulations on dangerous weapons throughout the nation's history. ...

[T]here can be little serious question that assault weapons, such as the AR-15, have characteristics that give them capabilities far beyond those of a typical handgun. See Worman, 922 F.3d at 37 (considering that question under the Act and noting that "wielding the proscribed weapons for self-defense within the home is tantamount to using a sledgehammer to crack open the shell of a peanut"). For example, the AR-15 has substantially greater range and muzzle velocity than a 9mm handgun. Assault rifles were developed for modern military combat, not self-defense. Indeed, the AR-15 is functionally identical to its military counterparts, the M16 and its carbine version, the M4, which have the same basic structure, operation, near-equivalent muzzle velocities (3300 feet per second), and rates of effective fire (45 rounds per minute). ...

Of course, the fact that the AR-15 was developed as a military weapon does not alone render it "dangerous and unusual." Rather, it is the fact that the design and features of an AR-15, compared to a typical handgun, makes it an unreasonably dangerous and unusual weapon for ordinary self-defense purposes.

First, the intrinsic characteristics of assault weapons make them poor self-defense weapons. AR-15s are physically unsuited to typical self-defense scenarios. They are significantly heavier and longer than typical handguns, making them less concealable, more difficult to use, and less readily accessible, particularly for an inexperienced user. ... They are not generally useful or appropriate weapons for ordinary citizens to keep at their bedsides, or to carry on city streets as they go about their daily business.

And, he continued, Capen and the gun group are simply wrong in stating that today's weapons of mass death are really just marginally different from 17th-century weapons - which involved multiple shots from multiple barrels, rather than today's fast-firing semi-automatic weapons.

There were, of course, homicides in 1791. No doubt, some portion of those homicides were perpetrated by people using firearms. But there is no evidence that there were any single-event, single-perpetrator mass homicides, much less homicides of that nature on a regular basis. Again, while the Court need not reach the issue of whether such homicides are an “unprecedented societal concern,” the truth of that proposition nonetheless seems obvious. In any event, because defendant [state Attorney General Andrea Campbell] has met her burden of showing that there has been a "dramatic technological change," the Court may reason by analogy to evaluate historical analogues to the Act.

Saylor wrote that the 1998 Massachusetts ban - modeled on a similar, but now expired federal law - comports with the Second Amendment and Supreme Court rulings because it is not an all-out ban on all firearms, but a carefully tailored list of weapons that, like the AR-15, have certain characteristics that make them uniquely "dangerous and unusual."

First, the Act poses a minimal burden on self-defense. It does not prohibit all magazines, only those that can hold more than ten rounds. Again, any semiautomatic weapon using a detachable magazine can accept one that holds ten rounds or fewer. And there is no restriction on the number of magazines that an individual may own or carry.

If there is a reason why an eleven-round magazine, rather than a ten-round magazine, is reasonably necessary for purposes of self-defense, it is not apparent from the record. Ordinary citizens undertaking lawful activities do not typically engage in extended firefights. To the contrary, defendant has provided substantial evidence that, in typical self-defense scenarios, a defender will only fire two or three shots. To the extent that the ten-round limit burdens the use of a semiautomatic firearm at all, it is because a brief pause to reload a new magazine would be required before the next round can be fired. Indeed, plaintiffs have not pointed to a single case where the ability to fire more than ten rounds without reloading has been essential to self-defense.

Plaintiffs again simply fall back on their assertion that magazines capable of holding more than ten rounds are “in common use,” and therefore deserve protection. They have not, however, provided any evidence at this stage that a magazine that can hold more than ten rounds is necessary, useful, or even desirable for self-defense purposes. Based on the record, therefore, the burden of the Act on the reasonable requirements of ordinary citizens for self-defense is minimal at best. Second, the prohibition on LCMs [large-capacity magazines] is comparably justified to respond to threats to public safety, particularly mass shootings. In mass shooting events, the average number of shots fired is upward of 99 rounds. Out of 115 such events, where the type of magazine was known, 73 involved the use of an LCM. In the same dataset, there was an average of 25 casualties when an LCM was involved, versus 9 without one. That data supports the government's proffered reasoning that the regulation of LCMs is justified based on their role in these incidents.

Via Massachusetts Lawyers Weekly.

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“AR-15s are meant for slaughter, not self defense.”

What a refreshingly sensible take. And no, it’s not a hunting rifle, either.

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The M16 A2s that I trained with had a three shot burst for a reason - accuracy, and ammo conservation.

This feature was a response to actual combat situations where the Viet Kong would notice a platoon coming through and do something to spook them. The US soldiers would blow their entire clip in one burst, and the locals would pick them off when they were reloading.

Of course ARs can be modded to take enormous clips, but let's be honest here - their use is never about having to actually aim.

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The AR15 was specifically designed to be used by the US Military by Eugene Stoner and his ArmaLite company in the early 1950s.

Colt's Manufacturing Company LLC got it's hands on the design and trademark of the AR15 in 1959 because Stoner's company was having financial problems. Colt's Manufacturing is responsible for the civilian version of the AR15 and released it to the civilian market as The Colt AR15 Sporter, Semi-Automatic Rifle with a 5 shot magazine in 1964 the same year that the US Military adopted the automatic version as it's main battle rifle and called it the M16.

My point is despite Colt's marketing push the AR15 was designed as a weapon of war.

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Both this guy and the judge have it all backwards. The 2nd amendment doesn't say you need a reason to own a gun, or a certain capacity magazine. What the 2nd amendment does is take the government out of the decision and leave it up to the individual whether to own a gun.

If the guy was going to give an excuse, he should have just said it was so he could volunteer for the militia.

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They're the final arbiter of what the Constitution means short of amendments being passed, and they say, no, you don't have an absolute right to own a gun no matter the reason.

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A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

Reading is only slightly more work than doing nothing while the murder of children by firearms is now the leading cause of death for children and adolescents in the U.S. This problem has no equal anywhere else in the world except active war zones.

It is one of America’s greatest moral failings that we’ve let a hobby and gross misreading of the Constitution text and intention take precedence over people’s right to live.

You will lose. When the kids growing up in fear rightfully take their place in the halls of power your stupid hobby will be curtailed for the betterment of society.

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Because it already has on exTwitter (of course), Saylor became a judge in 2004, nominated by that noted Communist America hater, George W. Bush.

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. . .are no secret at Moakley.

(*Late 90s mid 00s conservatism, not post-Tea Party contemporary conservatism.)

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Rolls right off the tongue.

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I wonder if it occurs to people like this how incredibly afraid they look? Somehow I manage to get through every day without feeling like I need a gun.

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I wonder if liberals' interpretation of the Second Amendment will change.

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Anyone who thinks an AR-15 will protect them from a tyrannical US government is the purest form of idiot.

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would like a word.

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About how the Viet Kong dealt with US soldiers and automatic weapons.

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Command structure, etc. make a military,

Weapons don't help if you don't have discipline and training. See also January 16. Sure, some militias drill a lot but they don't know wtf they are doing and will likely end up shooting each other over some stupid argument.

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And exactly how do you visualize Joebob Ammosexual conducting a VC/Taliban-type insurgency? Do you remember the "takeover" of the Malheur Refuge?

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I'm visualizing a JP "progressive" conducting a revolutionary insurgency against the President-for-Life and his fascist decrees.

Of course as your comments indicate, they would not even try

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Of course as your comments indicate, they would not even try

Not that way they wouldn't. Only the purest, most distilled form of idiot would make such a completely ineffective, boneheaded, futile but very very ego-stroking gesture.

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. . .famous for their “self defense.”

I don’t think comparing Americans who use ARs for self defense to the Taliban is the pro-gun argument that you think it is.

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This sensible ruling seems primed to be overturned by the Supreme Court and this further weaken state gun laws.

I hope I'm wrong.

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Rifle. They aren't full automatic.

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Google "bump stock" and get back to me.

p.s. semantics don't matter to the dead.

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Until recently, I used to think that only a handful of lunatics civilians -like in the thousands- owned a AR15 in the US.

Then the other day I came across this estimate saying that there are some 24 millions AR15 in circulation in the country and that as many as one in 20 American (16 million) may own one or more!

https://thereload.com/poll-one-in-twenty-americans-own-an-ar-15/

Other useful fact that any woman who choose to live with a guy should know; a woman is five times more likely to be murdered when her abuser has access to a gun. The guy who killed his wife and daughter before killing himself last week in their 20,000 sqft mansion in Dover-MA is only the latest sad illustration of that fact. And he wasn't even officially recorded as an abuser.

I take a bit of consolation in knowing that we live in the US state with the least ridiculous gun laws.

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Yeah I mean why does anyone need heavy artillery in their house? And where are all the stolen guns coming from that are poisoning our Boston neighborhoods with violence and taking lives away? Crazy.

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When was the last murder in Boston that was committed with an AR-15 or even AR-15 style rifle? I mean the last murder with a pistol was a couple days ago.

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When was the last murder in Boston that was committed with an AR-15

There's probably a reason for that. Give me a minute and I may get lucky and think of what it is. Perhaps reading the subject line of the post will help me.

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I know in advance that my opinion on this topic is not going to be a popular one, but I know from personal experience that I'm not alone in what I'm about to say.

The AR-15 was designed back when cars had tail fins. It is not the harmless sporting rifle the right makes it out to be, to be sure, but it is not the physics-defying super weapon so often demonized by the left. The idea that this is a "Weapon of War" and that, as such, it doesn't belong in civilian hands is an appealing argument when taken at face value; however, for the vast majority of American history, civilians had possession of small arms that were often more advanced than those carried by the military. Colonists carried rifles while the recoats carried smooth bore muskets, the Sioux carried repeating Winchesters at a time when Custers's men carried single shot trapdoor carbines, folks hunted big game with semiautomatic rifles at time when our Doughboys were stuck with bolt actions, etc. It mostly boiled down to a conservative ordnance department with a penchant for cheaping out. The point being, whatever merit there is to the idea that civilians should not have access to the latest in firearms tech, it's an idea that doesn't seem to have popped up in earnest until the Vietnam era.

My second point is that, as another commenter pointed out, the country is already flooded with these weapons. That horse has left the barn, and Massachusetts' border is not some magic force field of righteousness. If these weapons were banned tomorrow, the only people left with them would be cops--whose attitude towards leftists and the marginalized is already deeply problematic--and militant right wingers who would refuse to comply. As a left winger, I think that Venn diagram looks a bit too much like a perfect circle for my comfort. For me, this is not about resisting the federal government in some Red Dawn fantasy. It's about autonomy in a world where the bad guys won't be disarming any time soon.

(Lastly, I wish I had a nickle for every time I heard that "it's just those evil assault weapons--nobody wants to ban guns." It's the center-left version of the right's push for "reasonable restrictions on late-term abortions," etc., and every bit as sincere.)

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Canada and Australia have managed to maintain hunting as a sport/livelihood/farming activity while getting rid of these weapons of mass destruction.

Please explain how they have far fewer massacres to show for their efforts.

BTW: Just because a weapon of mass destruction was designed back when other devices that have resulted in mass killing - be they atomic or just "with tailfins" - doesn't make it less of a weapon for mass murder.

(note: I am a gun owner who grew up hunting so I'm not a gunphobe)

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You raise interesting questions. To jump right in, I would argue that Canada and Australia are both smaller in terms of population, both more culturally homogeneous, and both have done a better job of handling some rotten colonialist history than we have. I also firmly believe that the American far right is something without a real analog anywhere else in the collective west. Its financing, its viciousness, and the mainstream media's willingness to normalize it as a way of thinking strike me as something without parallel. There's an entire ecosystem designed to keep these people from ever having a personal reckoning.

Not too long ago, I took a friend out to the range. As we packed up, I got to hear an earnest discussion amongst other members about January 6th being an inside job personally organized by Nancy Pelosi. As we reached the parking lot and my friend asked "WTF?!," I stated that I'll remain armed as long as kooks like that guy feel the need to remain armed.

I'm sure you've heard the saying "when people tell you who they are, believe them" (apologies if I butchered that). As a shooter, most of the online spaces I run into are Trumpist, and it would be hard for me to overstate how vile the rhetoric is within a lot of them. Getting back into my hobby later in life has been a real eye opener. Under such circumstances, I am unwilling to outsource my protection to others. I'm fully conscious of the fact that I'm saying this as a super vanilla white guy. I certainly do not feel like I would have any standing to tell LGBTQ+ folks, people of color, etc. something to the effect of "relax--if all hell breaks loose, just trust law enforcement to have your back."

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Once again a reminder that the AR15 was specifically designed as a "Weapon of War". See my post above.

That being said I agree with your view of guns in general @Milwaukee Mike.

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have branches in Massachusetts.

they must be surveilled by LE, so take care

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I did not know that!
https://www.counterextremism.com/supremacy/john-brown-gun-club
https://socialistra.org/about/
But one of these things is not like the other. The JBGC has a dark history. That's AMAZING research though; Thanks for the info @deselby

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Canada blocked the importation and sale of ARs and the like in 2020, they are still waffling on the whole "getting rid" of the millions they have in private hands.

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