Avenue Louis Pasteur is currently jammed up with cars idling with parents picking up their kids from...something. On both sides of the road, they're double-parked, as well as filling bus stops, blocking crosswalks, and all manner of annoyingness. It's got traffic backed up onto Longwood Avenue, which is one of the major routes ambulances take, and is also causing problems for the MBTA busses and shuttlebusses that use that road.
Parents: if your kids are so smart, they can probably figure out how to take a bus to get home, or walk 2 blocks to the Green Line. Or you can!
Sidenote: I've never seen so many Boston-area candidate bumper stickers!
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Orientation or First Day?
By SwirlyGrrl
Mon, 08/23/2010 - 12:17pm
Note that if it is the former rather than the latter, the T won't run the buses and other additional transit that it usually does.
My son has orientation at the high school next week and the T will not be doing the special bus runs it does for the school days.
if they're Boston's best and brightest...
By Brett
Mon, 08/23/2010 - 12:26pm
...they can figure out how to take the T, like everyone else.
Or their parents can carpool. "Hi Jenny, this is Jane. Can you pick up little Robbie?"
I know my parents did that all the time for special functions- we'd end up packed in someone's minivan and either meet our parents at one home, or get dropped off.
As a Boston Latin graduate, I
By anon
Mon, 08/23/2010 - 12:39pm
As a Boston Latin graduate, I don't really appreciate your condescending tone. You have a legitimate gripe with the amount of traffic on Avenue Louis Pasteur. Fine. Don't frame it in a way that diminishes how hard these kids work. Your sarcastic tone suggests: A: Latin School kids aren't actually the brightest in the city and B: they come from rich spoiled families that don't want their precious children on the train every day.
I did not have the privilege of having a parent who was able to take me to school every day but if I did I would take the ride in a second. You know why? The T sucks. And after 6 hours of homework and 4 hours of sleep a night, the last thing I want to do is stand on a crowded bus with my 10 pound backpack and baseball bag.
Bahumbug.
Blog #Fail
By Anonymous
Mon, 08/23/2010 - 1:09pm
I nominate the post as a Blog #Fail. Are you with me Brett? If not, what's the main issue?
These kids could be as young
By Jenkins
Mon, 08/23/2010 - 12:49pm
These kids could be as young as 11 or 12. Would you send your 11 year old on his first t ride on his first day of Latin? Plus, how do you know the parents aren't supposed to attend as well.
Yep
By adamg
Mon, 08/23/2010 - 12:59pm
It's orientation for incoming seventh graders (11 and 12) plus a scattering of new ninth graders.
Note to crabby people: This will repeat the rest of the week.
so, then the parent can ride with them?
By Brett
Mon, 08/23/2010 - 2:22pm
Also, guess what's done for the rest of the year? (Special route) MBTA busses pick up and drop off the kids, which they seem to handle just fine.
T takes hours from outlying areas
By SwirlyGrrl
Mon, 08/23/2010 - 2:46pm
Using random addresses and the T trip planner, with the assumption that they had to be there by 10am:
Roslindale: 54 minutes
West Roxbury: 63 minutes
Charlestown: 72 minutes
No doubt some people made the trip this way. I don't blame people who own cars and don't live that far away for not spending 2-3 hours on transit, especially since the routes will likely be different on a school day.
I think you're carrying your resentment
By Anonymous
Mon, 08/23/2010 - 12:53pm
of 14-18 year old kids a bit too far. You cleverly conceal your post as a traffic report only to come back in to the dialogue in the comments and criticize the "snowflakes". Remember, they are admitted to Boston Latin based on merit, not privilege, which is a value we should applaud and support.
As far as being taken from one activity to another, it is standard operating procedure for many kids from suburban and urban homes when the family has the option. Why should they not exercise the option if they wish. If you want to criticize it, criticize the parents who make the choice.
As a Boston Latin graduate, I
By anon
Mon, 08/23/2010 - 12:56pm
As a Boston Latin graduate, I don't really appreciate your condescending tone. You have a legitimate gripe with the amount of traffic on Avenue Louis Pasteur. Fine. Don't frame it in a way that diminishes how hard these kids work. Your sarcastic tone suggests: A: Latin School kids aren't actually the brightest in the city and B: they come from rich spoiled families that don't want their precious children on the train every day.
I did not have the privilege of having a parent who was able to take me to school every day but if I did I would take the ride in a second. You know why? The T sucks. And after 6 hours of homework and 4 hours of sleep a night, the last thing I want to do is stand on a crowded bus with my 10 pound backpack and baseball bag.
Bahumbug.
Listen to you: "As a Boston Latin graduate wah wah wah"
By anon
Mon, 08/23/2010 - 1:03pm
You seem like the kind of person who would bring up where they went to college in every freaking conversation for the rest of your life. Know what? Nobody but people like you cares where you went to school.
HahHahHah
By Allsteam
Mon, 08/23/2010 - 1:12pm
Sounds like someone who couldn't make the grade. Jealous much?
I stated it for perspective
By anon
Mon, 08/23/2010 - 1:14pm
I stated it for perspective not for bragging you d*****bag. I also go to Boston College which if you haven't heard, rose 3 spots in this year's US News and World Report rankings.
All in all, I'm kind of a big deal. People know me. I have many leather-bound books.
Hey...
By JamaicaPlained
Mon, 08/23/2010 - 1:15pm
Some people are actually proud of their education... whether it's from Brown or Bunker Hill Community College. Just because you're content to be a dumbass doesn't mean others shouldn't take pride in what they've accomplished.
Are they "actually" proud?
By anon
Mon, 08/23/2010 - 1:58pm
Or only "figuratively" proud? Whatever-- I'm proud of my education, too, but let's not pretend that getting into a top-level school or not confers any kind of superiority. I was just pointing out this person with their ten-pound ballbag and leather-bound books was being tedious.
Ten-pound ballbag?
By Stewart
Mon, 08/23/2010 - 2:42pm
What does the size of his scrotum have to do with anything?
Doesn't it?
By anon
Mon, 08/23/2010 - 9:23pm
Are you saying there are no advantages to getting into a school that almost the entire city wants their kids to get into. That there's no difference in the quality of education, or where those kids matriculate to or what they become? You can point out success stories from any school, but getting into a great school and the merits through which these kids got there -- through their own academic excellence -- matter. Sorry you didn't make the cut at some point.
How nice of you
By anon
Mon, 08/23/2010 - 2:37pm
To grant Bunker Hill grads the freedom to celebrate their accomplishments. The condescension is there whether you mean it, or realize it, or not.
Wow...
By anon
Mon, 08/23/2010 - 9:19pm
way to go right to the negative of what was obviously a positive comment about taking pride in education. You're a prize jackass.
"You seem like the kind of person who would bring up where...
By The Beer Guy
Mon, 08/23/2010 - 2:20pm
they went to college in every freaking conversation for the rest of your life."
Yeah dude. One Swirlygirrl is more than enough for UH.
Interesting
By SwirlyGrrl
Mon, 08/23/2010 - 2:38pm
Showing intelligence = bad
good at school = bad
bringing up your resentment of someone about five times in a day = good
How sad your life must be if this is all you have to brighten your day. If hating and attacking are all you have to show for yourself.
and how sad your life must be
By anon
Mon, 08/23/2010 - 2:32pm
If all you have going for you is clucking at people all day long. Oh wait, I forgot, your presence brightens and enlightens everyone around you, except those who disagree with you.
"Do not feed the trolls"
By Anonymous
Mon, 08/23/2010 - 3:06pm
.
Mmm. Trolls.
By eeka
Mon, 08/23/2010 - 3:19pm
*burp*
reading through the comments...
By Brett
Mon, 08/23/2010 - 2:28pm
: they come from rich spoiled families that don't want their precious children on the train every day.
Reading through the comments in this thread expressing outrage at the suggestion that a child step foot inside an MBTA station...
Judging from a)the fact that the parents even HAVE cars, b)the kinds of cars and c)the fact that the parents were able to take the day off...
You really don't know what you're talking about, do you?
By adamg
Mon, 08/23/2010 - 2:53pm
Nobody took the day off for a three-hour orientation program.
In our case, my wife drove our daughter to school and I picked her up. Tomorrow, we'll probably do it in reverse.
Yes, we're lucky we have flexible enough schedules to do that. No, we didn't just want to give her a CharlieCard, push her out the door and say "the bus stop is that-a-way. Best of luck to you!" Don't like our parenting decisions? Tough.
Some kids did take the T. Surely you saw them waiting at a bus stop near the school. I know I did.
As for car ownership, you do realize that most people in Boston own a car, right? Especially in the neighborhoods where most of Boston's residents live, where people have things like driveways and parking lots? And that car ownership is not quite the status symbol it was in, oh, 1937?
A majority, but not sure about "most"
By eeka
Mon, 08/23/2010 - 3:10pm
As of 2000, 35% of households in Boston had no car.
Way to split hairs
By anon
Mon, 08/23/2010 - 3:16pm
Adam's use of "most," in this case, is proper in the sense of "more people have cars than don't have cars." But it's OK, you're mostly not a publishing or news professional. I bet you mostly get offended most of the time.
Get a login
By eeka
Mon, 08/23/2010 - 3:21pm
I can't make personal attacks if I don't know who you are.
New Rule
By Anonymous
Mon, 08/23/2010 - 3:24pm
You can't make personal attacks if you don't know who they are.
Wasn't a personal attack
By anon
Mon, 08/23/2010 - 3:54pm
Just correcting you, or rather, criticizing your incorrect criticism. You take a lot of things personally, don't you?
Here's a personal attack
By eeka
Mon, 08/23/2010 - 4:02pm
...on your reading comprehension, because I was looking to make personal attacks toward you, not the other way around.
Go nuts then!
By anon
Mon, 08/23/2010 - 4:07pm
Just pretend I'm one of the many people who offend you during the course of your day. You clearly have a lot of anger in you, so I doubt the target really matters.
Please don't smackdown the trolls
By Anonymous
Mon, 08/23/2010 - 4:22pm
.
In politics, that would be a landslide
By adamg
Mon, 08/23/2010 - 3:18pm
But, yes, I stand corrected.
Still, I'm going to continue to argue that car ownership is no longer the status symbol it was in 1937.
Yes
By eeka
Mon, 08/23/2010 - 3:30pm
I'm going to agree with you there. Particularly since they're considered disposable (and many are built that way...) and any person scraping by can get one in an auction or something, then abandon it as soon as it needs fixing. Or finance the living bejeezus out of it.
Which also relates to Brett's moronic comment about "the KIND OF CARS THESE PEOPLE HAVE." The kind of car someone has isn't representative of income or anything like that, because you don't know it's theirs and you don't know if it's paid for. And with all the bassackwards loans that people are willing to sign, someone can have a luxury car for the same payment as most people have for a modest car, except it will never be paid off.
You know what I saw?
By adamg
Mon, 08/23/2010 - 3:46pm
A lot of mini-vans and SUVs. What that says to me is that there are a fair number of BLS parents with more than one kid. Not sure why this would surprise anybody.
And Brett's comment about bumper stickers? Good for them! It shows they care enough about their city to want to get involved in local affairs - not, as Brett sure seemed to be implying, that there was any sort of favoritism going on.
Wow, NOW you sound like Emily Rooney!
By Brett
Mon, 08/23/2010 - 3:19pm
As for car ownership, you do realize that most people in Boston own a car, right? Especially in the neighborhoods where most of Boston's residents live, where people have things like driveways and parking lots?
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Um
By eeka
Mon, 08/23/2010 - 3:21pm
You're fucking up the margins.
Hey, that's fine if you want to stay out of Roslindale
By adamg
Mon, 08/23/2010 - 3:25pm
Or Hyde Park, or Dorchester, or Mattapan, or West Roxbury, or Roxbury, or significant parts of Brighton and Allston.
What your graphic shows is what eeka just said: 65% of Boston households own a car.
How about some supporting text?
By Statistician
Mon, 08/23/2010 - 3:25pm
Looks to me like you're backing up his "most" contention, as it looks to me like more then 60% of households have cars. Unless of course you're siding with the axis of eeka and making some lame argument about the meaning of "most."
"household"
By issacg
Mon, 08/23/2010 - 3:58pm
The census bureau defines a household as "all the persons who occupy a housing unit. A housing unit is a house, an apartment, a mobile home, a group of rooms, or a single room that is occupied (or if vacant, is intended for occupancy) as separate living quarters. Separate living quarters are those in which the occupants live and eat separately from any other persons in the building and which have direct access from the outside of the building or through a common hall."
I think the 35% figure is deceivingly large because there are many undergraduate student "households", particularly in A-B, Mission Hill, etc., which do not have cars (not least because of the Resident Parking Program).
Just sayin'.
Okay
By SwirlyGrrl
Mon, 08/23/2010 - 4:18pm
Now let's play the subpopulation game.
What percentage of households with school-age children in Boston have a car? I would be willing to believe that car ownership tends to be higher among families and lower among singles/marrieds without kids and the elderly.
Hmmm as a defense I'm not
By anon
Mon, 08/23/2010 - 4:16pm
Hmmm as a defense I'm not sure that "Don't like our parenting decisions? Tough!" is the best strategy since this is precisely the attitude Brett is complaining about. The notion that ones own personal desires and choices trump any other considerations. I'm reminded of the guy I saw once trying to push a double wide stroller down Hanover street at 9pm on a Saturday night. Okay, sure, you're the kind of guy who decides that you must buy the most disruptive and space hogging form of child transport available on the market. But one of the side effects of that choice is that you should realize that there's things you give up doing so. Like the right to push said transport down one of the most crowded streets in the city like a bulldozer. It's not the decision that's problematic but the lack consideration for others.
Do I think that this is mostly motivated by elitism as Brett seems to suggest? No. I suspect that this is mainly a problem at Boston Latin because more of the parents are able to take time off from work in order to pick up their kids. But I think there IS a point in the fact that a lot of the people involved simply didn't think that, "HMMM maybe there will be a lot of other parents trying to pick up their kids at the exact same time and that all of those cars might cause a traffic problem on the street."
I do find the horrified reactions to junior high kids riding the T to be more than mildly amusing and, in that case perhaps, indicative of a certain level of elitism. Oh yes the horrors, children riding the T where they might actually have to see and be in close proximity to, people who they don't know. Even people from, gasp, a different social background than them. In my day we had to walk uphill to school, both ways! Well not really, but I did take the bus. Albeit a school bus not a public bus. But as a junior high school kid we did stand out there on the public street waiting for the bus. Somehow we survived unscathed.
Frankly I'm also a little stunned by the lack of reading comprehension here. Perhaps some folks need to take a refresher course along with the "little snowflakes." At least from the OP it seems clear that Brett's problem is not with the children themselves but with what he sees as the over entitled and inconsiderate parents who feel that their "special little snowflakes" can't endure a little rain or a scary trip on public transportation. After all I doubt there's a lot of kids out there wailing and moaning for mom and dad to come pick them up because the rain is too much.
I also find it a bit amusing that people who were, in another blog post, giving Emily Rooney a, justifiable, raft of shit for acting like Dorchester is the dark side of the moon are now acting like the medical area is so ungodly far that only fleets of cars could possibly return the students home in a timely fashion.
And is the post perhaps a bit petty? Sure. But then most of the posts on this site are petty. At least Brett's is about something which actually impacts people's lives, albeit in a minor manner. As opposed to hand wringing about what the oldest house in Boston is or that Vermont advertising agencies don't know how the local public transit system works.
True, there's "tough" and then there's "tough"
By adamg
Mon, 08/23/2010 - 4:38pm
By "tough," I didn't mean there is no room to criticize anything done by parents, especially en masse such as a potential situation on Avenue Louis Pasteur, even though I disagree it was some apocalyptic meltdown that the governor should have called the National Guard out to deal with.
By "tough," I mean: I'm not going to agree that some guy who doesn't have kids knows more about the readiness of a specific 12-year-old to travel halfway across town by herself on public transit than her parents. When he's old enough to have a kid, fine, he can knock himself out and toss his kid into a pool without swimming lessons - although hopefully a pool with a lifeguard.
As a BLS graduate, I disagree
By Adam Pieniazek
Mon, 08/23/2010 - 6:45pm
As a BLS graduate, I disagree with your assessment of the "condescending tone". For one, the condescension is valid. I went to BLS for 6 years and took the T nearly every one of those days. It's not a big deal and these kids should figure it out sooner rather than later.
And second, parents picking up kids from schools is a problem across the city. I live right between St. Margaret's and the Russell school and the idling parents are a huge nuisance and create massive traffic jams. We live in a city that's small and relatively easily travelled via public transportation. I don't get why these kids can't ride the T (or a bike home).
Whatever happened to the "I had to walk 6 miles in the snow through Mordor" group that forced kids to transport themselves to and from school? I get that cars are more convenient but seriously, these huge clusters of parents acting as chauffeurs for their kids is a bit ridiculous.
Okay Adam I understand your
By anon
Tue, 08/24/2010 - 12:22am
Okay Adam I understand your point. Although you might have gotten some "growing of age" experience from taking the T everyday, I on the other hand thought it thouroughly blew. I had to wake up at 5:45 every day to shower, grab a quick bite and leave the house by 6:30. It took me at least 45 minutes to take the blue line from Orient Heights to Gov't Center and the E Line to Longwood Medical that would give me a 7:30 arrival. And yes, I had a backpack with a math book and a chemistry book that on most days made it weigh about 10 pounds (and this was standard, I was by no means a book nerd).
I had to do this because both my parents needed to be at work by 7:30 and didn't have time to drive me.
Now, using your logic this experience is probably supposed to grow some hair on my balls? No. It lost me an hours sleep everyday and an hours worth of relaxing/homework after practice.
So yeah. I lament a little bit that I couldn't have been an hour fresher every morning and an hour more relaxed in the evening. And I think those like Brett who scold dedicated parents that can give their kids this luxury are douchebags. Fucking sue me.
And P.S. save your bullshit on the "well I guess someone didn't appreciate the Latin School experience" because I appreciate every second I spent in that school and all the doors it opened for me. Again, I just think the T sucks.
Surprisingly....
By Michael Kerpan
Tue, 08/24/2010 - 7:37am
... your long trip to BLS from East Boston took about the same amount of time as our kids' far shorter (in miles) trip to BLS from Roslindale. Your schedule is about identical to the one we had in our household for (many many) years. ;~}
We plan to carpool
By adamg
Mon, 08/23/2010 - 1:04pm
With our neighbor, whose son goes to Latin. But since he's already been at Latin for awhile, he doesn't need to go to orientation.
Tomorrow, you better watch out for a red Prius. I get a little cranky behind the wheel sometimes.
How very Emily Rooney like!
By anon
Mon, 08/23/2010 - 1:36pm
How very Emily Rooney like! Transferring from Route 50 to Route 39 at Forest Hills is not an option? (especially now since you can track the Route 50 to see if its really going to show up).
Your parenthetical is the whole point
By adamg
Mon, 08/23/2010 - 2:44pm
The 50 is not the world's most reliable bus. If it doesn't come on time, then we're screwed because getting from the Hyde Park line (we're way closer to that then Rozzie Square) to Latin at rush hour is no easy feat) - although I suppose, yes, we could get her to Forest Hills.
But why so crabby about our carpooling arrangements?
But the T is part of the
By Adam Pieniazek
Mon, 08/23/2010 - 6:49pm
But the T is part of the experience of BLS, you're depriving them of 4-6 years of T torture Adam! Oh, and don't forget the anxiety inducing schedule of the E line, which runs approximately once every two days. How will your kids learn to make up excuses for being late if you're driving them in each day?
All in good time
By adamg
Mon, 08/23/2010 - 7:41pm
But as somebody mentioned somewhere in this thread, probably no E line for her - 39 bus more likely.
It's orientation
By adamg
Mon, 08/23/2010 - 12:55pm
School doesn't start until Sept. 8.
Part of the problem today is that a big chunk of the parking lot in the back is blocked off for some reason.
Your son's orientation is relevant to this discussion how?
By anon
Mon, 08/23/2010 - 12:59pm
Please explain. Is he at Boston Latin?
Reading with comprehension!
By SwirlyGrrl
Mon, 08/23/2010 - 1:12pm
The MBTA adds transit services to get kids to schools where they have contracts with cities in the MBTA area (bigger than Boston, please note). That means that some buses go where they don't normally go and trains get added at times the kiddos are headed to schools.
The MBTA does not run added trains or modified bus routes to get kids to these schools for non school days including ... orientation days!
The situation is the same whether your city that uses the MBTA buses and trains for its middle and/or high school transportation is Boston or Medford or Quincy or Newton ...
Remember: it's MASSACHUSETTS BAY transit authority, not MY BOSTON.
WIN
By eeka
Mon, 08/23/2010 - 2:15pm
Remember: it's MASSACHUSETTS BAY transit authority, not MY BOSTON.
:o)
eeka declares a win for Swirrly-- what are the odds?
By anon
Mon, 08/23/2010 - 2:22pm
And where's Kaz? Oh god, I hope he's OK!
"Do not feed the trolls"
By Anonymous
Mon, 08/23/2010 - 3:05pm
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Boston Latin...
By Gentleman-scholar
Mon, 08/23/2010 - 12:34pm
...was my safety school.
Was Adam there picking up his
By anon
Mon, 08/23/2010 - 12:38pm
Was Adam there picking up his daughter?
uh oh, did another special
By pierce
Mon, 08/23/2010 - 12:44pm
uh oh, did another special little snowflake have an extra 5 minutes on his commute today?
this is truly the saddest day ever. Maybe you should have been on the T!
orientation probably started,
By nick
Mon, 08/23/2010 - 12:45pm
orientation probably started, so it's most likely little soon to be 7th graders whose parents are just as clueless as they are
Oh, go trip on a log
By adamg
Mon, 08/23/2010 - 12:52pm
I was one of those parents. Bite me.
Not high school then
By SwirlyGrrl
Mon, 08/23/2010 - 1:01pm
If we are talking 7th grade, a bit of coddling on day 1 is probably justified.
Citywide - that means, one to two hours from Charlestown via the T, off peak hours. Even I'd drive my kid for that - and not due to the rain - although we would park elsewhere.
And I'd love to see Brett try out the program my "special snowflake" did these last two weeks. MWAAHAHAHAH
This is no surprise. It's
By Nat
Mon, 08/23/2010 - 1:01pm
This is no surprise. It's this way every morning and every afternoon when school is in session.
Precious little kiddies.
Really stinks when you park right next to the school.
no, it's not.
By Brett
Mon, 08/23/2010 - 2:17pm
In the morning and afternoons, the street is lined (single file) with MBTA busses.
If this was an orientation that parents were required to be at, then it's the school's fault for not telling parents "there's no parking, take public transit." If it was an orientation that only the kids needed to be at, then it's the fault of the school and the MBTA for not arranging for bus service.
Blame the newbies
By adamg
Mon, 08/23/2010 - 2:27pm
When I got there at 11:50 or so, there was still parking in the back of the school, so I'm betting that while some people just didn't want to walk in the pouring rains (you know how easily us snowflakes melt in the rain), some didn't know it was there - it's not obvious from the Avenue Louis Pasteur side.
But also, the exit from the rear lot onto whatever that street is there was chained, so people, like me, who normally would have gone out there and continued onto Huntington had no choice but to double back and leave via Avenue Louis Pasteur, adding untold scores of seconds to Brett's backbreaking commute.
But you know what? Tough. This wasn't orientation for the entire school. It was for one grade (and a bit - the small number of ninth-grade transfer students). Arranging extra bus service for roughly one-sixth the school population seems like it would cost way too much - it's not like the T has short buses for times like this. And, yeah, the traffic was bad, but I've seen worse - we were probably onto Brookline Avenue within three minutes.
So where were the Boston Latin staff?
By Brett
Mon, 08/23/2010 - 2:34pm
Given this happens every year, where were the BPS or Boston Latin staff? For fuck's sakes, Boston even has a "Boston Public Schools" police force, entirely separate from Boston Police.
When I got there at 11:50 or so, there was still parking in the back of the school [...] some didn't know it was there - it's not obvious from the Avenue Louis Pasteur side.
Why didn't the school distribute as part of the orientation materials to parents beforehand encouragement to carpool or take public transit, and a handy "where to park" map?
I don't know
By adamg
Mon, 08/23/2010 - 2:38pm
I don't much care, either. I was stuck in the middle of the mess every bit as much as you, and honestly, I didn't think it was that bad, and wouldn't have even given it a second thought, except the kidlet and I stopped at a WiFi-enabled pizza place for some subs and I made the mistake of calling up Universal Hub to see this thread.
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