Anecdotal evidence (more dead deer by the side of the road) seems to indicate a growing deer population in the large reservation just south of the city. The Friends of the Blue Hills reports the state Department of Conservation and Recreation is getting ready to do some serious studying to determine if there are more deer than the reservation can support and, if so, what to do about them. The process could take several years - one thing the DCR might do is fence in some small pieces of forest to keep deer out and compare the plant growth on either side of the fences.
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Deer Problems
By plt3012
Thu, 09/16/2010 - 6:34am
This isn't a unique problem. This is occurring across the US. A big part of this problem is encroachment. This is where man is moving into the habitat of deer and developing the land. Another part of this problem is the lack of what is called, in some places, hunting pressure. With more humans in these areas and land being posted against hunting, the deer flourish. The lack of this game management tool allows this. When you think of it, in eastern Mass., a deer's main predator is an automobile. In suburbia there are problems with deer strikes on autos, damage to landscape and the arrival of deer ticks.
I realize hunting isn't popular with some people and in the Blue Hills maybe not practical. But the DCR should consider a limited bow season. The Quabbin has had some success with this.
Habitat
By John-W
Thu, 09/16/2010 - 10:18am
Not sure that is completely accurate. Development has certainly taken a lot of habitat for the fauna, but the increasing number of coyote, deer and other critter sightings in or near urban areas has more to do with the animals coming back into the area. The habitat was lost a couple of centuries back when most all the forests of the area were cut down (and coyotes never were in this area to begin with). Look at old photos at the turn of the century and recognizable city squares and such look like the surface of the moon.
After a hundred years of growth in and around the urban development of the industrial revolution, we have pockets of habitat unwittingly (in many cases) restored, providing pathways for things like moose to stroll down from the north all the way inside of route 128.
That being said, increased hunting (I'm not a hunter or fan of Ted Nugent, ever since Damn Yankees) would be helpful with the deer to, as Scrooge said, "decrease the surplus population."
Hunting in Urban Areas
By SwirlyGrrl
Thu, 09/16/2010 - 11:51am
The real problem with that is areas with high population density are not good places for hunting. I live next to the Fells and the deer populations seem to be up - the family that slept in my backyard last winter is a clue. I would not, however, want anybody wandering around shooting in the local woods because of all the people, kids, and dogs that use them regularly - and I say that as a rifle owner and a former hunter.
I suspect that the conditions in the Blue Hills and around the reservation aren't much different with respect to trail use and abutting properties.
Our neighborhood likes the coyotes around our area and considers them to be a fit control on deer populations. If it came down to overpopulation of deer, I'd far rather see non-hunting means used to cull the population - securing the area for hunters or even for a very "controlled" hunt would be nearly impossible given the number of trails and access points off-trails and the risks to humans living closely and using the trails just too high.
Ban homosexual activity in the Blue Hills, not deer
By O-FISH-L
Thu, 09/16/2010 - 7:17am
Although it's unpopular and not "PC" to mention on the blogs, it's the homosexual activity, not deer, that has ruined the Blue Hills Reservation. Ask any State Trooper out of the Milton (Blue Hills) barracks, or any Milton or Quincy cop, if they would allow a young child to explore the trails there, even with a parent. The answer is no! Even the Boy Scouts have given up. Any focus on the deer is a red herring. Of course with Gov. Patrick living in Milton and endorsing homosexual behavior, no state trooper in his/her right mind would risk a promotion or other advancment over enforcing the laws of morality. So anything goes.
"Homosexual activity"? Are
By anon
Thu, 09/16/2010 - 7:47am
"Homosexual activity"? Are we talking non-stop, wall-to-wall, butt-plowing and wiener-choking spectacular?
are the deer homosexual?
By bostnkid
Thu, 09/16/2010 - 8:47am
im confused.
No.
By SwirlyGrrl
Thu, 09/16/2010 - 12:27pm
Therein lies the problem. They keep breeding.
If we could infiltrate the woods with gay deer ... hmmm ...
queer deer
By Pete Nice
Thu, 09/16/2010 - 1:11pm
I've actually never heard of cops talk about homosexual men in the Blue Hills. I have heard about issues at that Weston rest stop that the above poster mentioned.
priest arrested at blue hills a few months ago
By bostnkid
Thu, 09/16/2010 - 2:08pm
i believe he was accused of grabbing some other guy in the woods.
i may have told this story before but here it goes. my brother and his friend lost a hubcap on their car several years back. it happened behind the arsenal mall along the charles river. they went into the woods to retrieve it and my brother saw two guys going at it in the woods. he was all freaked out and flagged down a passing statie. the statie told him they were aware of the activity in the area but he would not do anything about it. he said something about some cops getting hit with civil rights infractions for harrassing gay men. he told my brother he would wait while he retrieved the hub cap. i drive by this place frequently and now i know why all those sketchy dudes are walking in and out of the wooded area (which, by the way, is a public bike path.) and they arent sketchy because they are gay its because they are having random hookups with other strange guys in the woods behind the mall.
Would your brother have
By anon
Thu, 09/16/2010 - 3:16pm
Would your brother have flagged down the State Police if it had been a hot heterosexual couple banging?
what difference would that have made?
By bostnkid
Fri, 09/17/2010 - 7:38am
a "hot" heterosexual couple?
Trooper! Trooper! Please
By anon
Fri, 09/17/2010 - 8:16am
Trooper! Trooper! Please hurry, sir! In the woods! A blonde chick clad only in a BU baby-tee is riding cowgirl like there's no tomorrow! Please, make them stop! Oh, the humanity! The horror, the horror! Oh god, I'm gonna puke, it's so awful!
Greenough Blvd?
By The Beer Guy
Fri, 09/17/2010 - 8:54am
Right near Arsenal Street?
"endorsing homosexual behavior"
By The Beer Guy
Thu, 09/16/2010 - 9:01am
Wait, what?
On the ballot?
By SwirlyGrrl
Thu, 09/16/2010 - 11:54am
What office is Homose Xualbe Havior running for?
Are you upset or sad?
By anon
Thu, 09/16/2010 - 9:07am
Did someone tell you that you would be able to find a strapping young buck in the Blue Hills & you were disappointed to only find the four legged kind?
Hunting for Win
By Kaz
Thu, 09/16/2010 - 11:36am
Sometimes having anon comments pays off.
This is one of those times.
someone needs to take the
By AnonĀ²
Thu, 09/16/2010 - 9:57am
someone needs to take the dick outta their ass...
Right. It's just not PC.
By erik g
Thu, 09/16/2010 - 10:08am
I don't really have any kinder way of expressing this, so:
You are a crazy person.
I work with a couple of similarly crazy people, and am constantly bewildered at their deeply ingrained, unshakable conviction that there are "gay pickup spots" abounding in eastern Massachusetts, and that there's a huge population of homosexual men who are running over to these spots 3 or 4 times a week for a good time. No one has ever SEEN anyone actually doing anything untoward, but, hey, everyone knows it's happening. Just ask my friend's cousin's buddy, who totally saw two guys leaving in a van from the "known spot out by the reservoir" and then coming back fifteen minutes later. Or ask the guy I eat lunch with, who jogs past the "known spot" in Weston and is sure he saw the same guy drive by him slowly three times with a gleam in his eye. Or ask any cop in Blue Hills. (Odd that I've never heard it discussed by any police officer anywhere--if people are scared to bring their kids there, you'd think they'd at least mention it when talking about detailed crime statistics and neighborhood safety in Roxbury/Mattapan)
Meanwhile, never mind the fact that every time I've gone past any of these alleged areas, there's been no evidence of anything. And that gay men now make up something like 10% of the male population, and don't have to hide their shame in secret rendezvous spots in the woods like they did in the 70's, since they live in a state that actually acknowledges that they have human rights. And that anyone looking for anonymous sex just does what the heterosexual population has been doing for years and goes on Craig's List. And that if "everyone knows" about these spots, they'd immediately become the local police department's favorite spot to patrol so that they can later trumpet their enforcement of family values to panicked parents in the 'burbs.
Seriously, just because you're not openly dropping slurs doesn't mean that you can keep parroting this homophobic bullshit.
Dogging etc.
By SwirlyGrrl
Thu, 09/16/2010 - 10:59am
There are some spots around, but it isn't what you would expect. From what I've seen on early morning bike rides or paddling, it is mostly older guys, in large cars. Would not surprise me if they were married to women and "just out for their morning walk".
Who cares. Not like I've never stumbled across a het couple going at it in a back seat or making it in nature near the shore while taking my kayak out.
So you think gay hookup spots
By anon
Thu, 09/16/2010 - 2:25pm
So you think gay hookup spots don't exist? Take a look at cruisingforsex.com -- you'll see a lot of first-hand reports of men hooking up.
Get a kayak
By SwirlyGrrl
Thu, 09/16/2010 - 3:52pm
Head for some areas that are secluded from roads and trails, and you'll see plenty of straight people "drinking light beer" as it were.
oh, please.
By anon
Thu, 09/16/2010 - 4:00pm
Your inability to examine a situation is once again on display. You really want to draw a comparison between these two types of events? There are no "designated areas" for hetero folks to congregate and shag in public. Except maybe nightclub bathrooms.
erica g string
By anon
Thu, 09/16/2010 - 3:45pm
you go girl
Garden street?
By John-W
Thu, 09/16/2010 - 10:19am
Was this guy seen flinging keys around on Garden Street the other night?
so heterosexual happyfeet is okay
By SwirlyGrrl
Thu, 09/16/2010 - 10:50am
Because you like to watch?
Really.
Or do you just not see it happening around you because gay sex just fascinates you sooo much? Or maybe it ISN'T happening for reals, but it gets you really just so excited just thinking about it?
Of course every discarded condom you see HAD to be from some santorum-laced backwoods adventure, and not from your typical teenage boy-girl shagging in the woods.
Sorry, but "homosexualty" needs no endorsement by anybody like the Governor, toots. Teh Gay is just nature, baby. The troopers know that if there is such activity, the rules have to be applied evenly to all couples, and the law is that everybody can get it on with anybody so long as they hide good. That's been through the courts and the MDC got smacked down on targeting gay couples and not straight couples in the mid-90s.
thats specious reasoning
By anon
Thu, 09/16/2010 - 8:50am
If deer were getting hit on 1-90 would you say there are too many cars on I-90? There are too many cars in the Blue Hills!
Its sad that the 2 biggest parks in the Boston area are chopped up by highways and roads going through them. I think all the cars and trucks are a lot more dangerous than the deer. I like seeing deer when Im hiking, I don't like breathing all the fumes and hearing all the highway noise from cars though.
The state should shut down more roads in the Blue Hills so it can be enjoyed as a natural resource instead of a shortcut. Or just name it after some politicians mom, put more roads on it and get rid of the sidewalks and trees and call it a greenway. Then no one will ever go and bother the car people. Worked great in Boston, that greenway is barren.
Oh, Sure...
By Suldog
Thu, 09/16/2010 - 11:49am
You want to shut down the roads so the homosexuals can't get there as easily. Hater!
Suldog
http://jimsuldog.blogspot.com
Deer lack predators
By Kaz
Thu, 09/16/2010 - 11:54am
It's that simple.
Years ago (and I'm talking centuries), the things that ate deer also ate livestock. That's bad. So we killed them all (heck, some of their furs were really nice anyways). Now, nothing eats the deer...so they grow out of control. We could kill the deer, but we'd likely use guns to do it. We're more civilized now and can get our meat from Kansas...and Brazil, so killing animals like deer for food (or sport) is taboo and limited to like 3 weeks in only certain locations. "Bambi" really threw us for a loop as a hunting society a few decades ago. Thanks, Disney.
So, here we are, with cars killing more deer off-season than guns do during hunting season these days. Special "park lands" set up where the deer can multiple like rats...large rhododendron- and garden-eating rats. No predator exists that might cull their herd and we don't allow ourselves to be their predator either.
Let's wring our hands some more about the poor deer. It might work this time.
Not worried about the deer
By SwirlyGrrl
Thu, 09/16/2010 - 12:06pm
We need to find solutions which are appropriate for the safety of humans who live around and use the woodlands. People in my neighborhood favor leaving the coyotes alone as a start, but even beavers seem to freak out some people who don't seem to know where they really live.
It isn't a matter of closing off trails and turning hunters loose in the woods, because there are way too many unfenced back yards and unofficial trails and access points into places like the Blue Hills and the Fells. There are those of us who live very close to the woods who don't want our kids or dogs shot at by mistake, either. The shortest path to school and to a local park for my sons uses pieces of a major trail and two informal accesses. Even a very controlled hunt by designated experts may not be safe due to all the informal ways people get into the woods.
"fence in some small pieces
By anon
Thu, 09/16/2010 - 2:30pm
"fence in some small pieces of forest to keep deer out and compare the plant growth on either side"
There already is a deer exclosure fence on the top of Chickatawbut Hill.
deer vs. gays
By EM Painter
Thu, 09/16/2010 - 3:36pm
Compared to the deer park on Hammond Pond Parkway, the Blue Hills is overgrown and could support a lot more deer. The saplings and shrubs are mostly cleared out by the deer and that would take care of the gay thing too (not crazy about stumbling on those guys myself.)
Maybe people just need to take the foot off the accelerator.
Bow hunters, maybe
By merlinmurph
Fri, 09/17/2010 - 8:15am
A good alternative may be allowing bow hunters to thin the herd out a bit. Bow hunters don't take a shot unless they can practically spit on a deer. ;-)
Just to be safe, better use
By anon
Fri, 09/17/2010 - 8:27am
Just to be safe, better use teeth and claw hunters only.
The probability of accidentally ripping out the throat of a schoolchild is very low.