Housing expert: Downtown Crossing would be ideal for large-scale housing for grad students
If Boston wants to solve issues with students and housing, it really needs to concentrate on an exploding population of graduate students, Barry Bluestone, author of a recent report on housing in the Boston area, told a City Council hearing this afternoon.
Bluestone, director of the Dukakis Center for Urban and Regional Policy at Northeastern, said "multi-university student villages" for grad students would both free up apartments for long-term Boston residents and help attract the young people Boston will need over the coming decades to stay competitive with other cities. He said only 8% of grad students in the area currently live on campus.
Bluestone said Downtown Crossing would be ideal for grad-student high-rise "village" because of its dense transit service leading to many of the area's colleges. His village would feature high rises with stores, restaurants and plenty of seminar and meeting rooms, along with garages outfitted with Zipcars - "something competitive with the North End because of its amenities."
He said Forest Hills might be another good location for such a center.
He said Boston needs to do more to keep grad students living here because national demographics means "a third civil war" is brewing as boomers age out of the workforce. Under his scheme, students would be given the option to stay in their apartments for three to five years after they're done with school, which would further help tie them to Boston.
Linda Kowalcky of the Boston Redevelopment Authority said the issue of grad housing is a new one for the BRA, because it's been concentrating on increasing the number of on-campus dormitories. But she said that it's time for surrounding communities to join Boston in working to increase the ability of colleges to add housing for students - because there are colleges across the area, not just within Boston city limits.
Councilors Mike Ross and Sal LaMattina, both of whom represent districts with heavy student populations - Mission Hill for Ross and the North End for LaMattina - said Bluestone's plans sound good, but that they are faced with a more immediate issue of undergraduates taking up apartments and creating general nuisances. LaMattina pointed specifically to noise and party issues.
John Keith, a South End real-estate broker, however, said the real problem is not students, but the fact that more people live in Boston than ten years ago. He said only 30,000 students actually live off campus, at a time when the Census Bureau says Boston has fewer apartment units than ten years ago.
Richard Orareo, who has lived in the Fenway for 40 years, though, said he has watched universities gobble up East Fenway "building by building by building."
Richard Giordano of Mission Hill said "thousands" of Mission Hill residents have been displaced by students, catered to by investors snapping up triple deckers at $800,000 to $1.2 million per building. And that drives a vicious downward cycle, because that raises the taxes on nearby triple deckers, making it even harder for low and moderate-income residents to remain.
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This sounds like a great
This sounds like a great idea. So long as he or the management company doesn't end up treating said highrises as student slums, then these can likely turn out very nice. As a grad student in Boston myself, I wouldn't mind living in something like this. I currently go to school at Downtown Crossing, but obviously do not live there due to the lack of housing. Further, this could help make the area more populated (and thus less creepy) during the dark hours.
...wait, what? I'm a
...wait, what? I'm a graduate student, and housing was never really my main problem. There are plenty of apartments in the Boston metro area.
My main problem (which is not in Mr. Bluestone's purview) is the fact that my graduate tuition, which is generally about 20% of my income, isn't tax deductible on the state level. I'm getting whacked for the full boat, plus having to pay for my own health insurance because being a graduate student, even part-time, is not conducive to getting any sort of a full time job with any sort of decent insurance.
It's not onerous, but it is INCREDIBLY irritating, especially since the only state service I use directly is...the T. And I'm on the Red Line.
And I'm going part-time and paying my own way. Most full-timers I know just take out loans for the rent or have crap service jobs and apartments outside the city itself (Cambridge, Somerville, etc.)
Mr. Bluestone's report is interesting, and he's got stats while all I've got are anecdotes, but I feel like the key to keeping graduate students here is less about housing and more about jobs and tweaking aspects of the state taxes and infrastructure.
the only state service I use directly is...the T
really?!
Yeah, pretty much (directly
Yeah, pretty much (directly being the key word, of course: obviously I'm the indirect beneficiary of many state services, just like everyone else). I suppose you could throw in the roads and water, but I don't own a car, I ride a bus on the roads. I have no kids, so I don't use schools. I simply have no need for most of the services the state provides (this doesn't mean I don't want to pay for them, simply that I don't use them).
Essentially, the one service I really need to be well-funded and properly run isn't, and for stupid reasons.
Really!?
How about police protection, fire protection, trash collection, libraries, and all the other municipal services that are subsidized by state funds?
Gimme a break
Mr. Bluestone's focus isn't trying to keep grad students here. His focus is to figure out a way to take the pressure off the housing market in Boston that students put on it. Keeping the grad students that come here to study is totally secondary. Mr. Bluestone isn't concerned with your medical insurance issues. The grad village isn't intended to be a panacea to all your financial issues. It's great you're getting your education but if the state is going to give breaks to people because they're hurting financially, I'd hope grad students who mostly come here temporarily to learn and advance their credentials would take a back seat to the actual poor that live here all the time.
Councilors Mike Ross and Sal
Councilors Mike Ross and Sal LaMattina, both of whom represent districts with heavy student populations - Mission Hill for Ross and the North End for LaMattina - said Bluestone's plans sound good, but that they are faced with a more immediate issue of undergraduates taking up apartments and creating general nuisances. LaMattina pointed specifically to noise and party issues.
Our town is so intellectually drought-ravaged that we can only focus on a single thing at a time? I weep.
So, to recap: it's a nice idea, but we can't build grad school housing because undergrads take up too many apartments.
Mike Ross, again, earns today's CRIPES.
Do these guys ever drive down Comm Ave and Beacon Street etc.?
Block after block of one story retail. Instead of building all this space downtown - far from all the campuses - why don't we build a few dozen blocks of apartments above all these stores? The prof's proposal sounds like a nice idea - for those that can afford it - but that's not going to bring down the price of housing in this town or significantly upgrade our antique housing stock - but a few thousand apartments on these streets will.
Does anyone know - is this a zoning issue, a planning issue or simply a cost issue (this has to be doable at some price above what's sitting on these lots right now)?
All The Campuses
Except for UMass Boston, and Harvard and MIT and Lesley and ...
Sorry, but BU and Northeastern aren't the only colleges around.
Downtown crossing is closer?
Actually the applicable downtown schools are Suffolk and Emerson mainly - but it's not my impression these are hotbeds of grad students like Harvard, MIT, Northeastern and BU - all of which are within pretty easy walking/biking distance of large portions of those roads mentioned. Those were just two examples - this city is FILLED with room for low cost housing west of Mass ave. Private grad school housing in DTX is fine - but it's a very limited solution - fine for DTX - but not going to do much to solve the need for nicer and cheaper housing targeted at younger residents.
I'd prefer DTX for MIT
Well, I'd say Downtown Crossing is WAY more convenient to MIT than anything west of Mass Ave on the Boston side - Red Line to Kendall vs. cold walk across the bridge or dealing with a bus. Probably true of Harvard, too.
But I may be biased - in my several years as an MIT grad student in the 80s I frequently shopped at Filene's Basement or visited downtown, always via Red Line, but rarely, possibly never, went to the west-of-Mass-Ave area in Boston.
ETA: Though I do agree with later posters questioning the finances of providing grad student-priced apartments in downtown - even without having an estimate of actual numbers.
One-story retail on Beacon Street where?
I can't think of any place on Beacon Street in Boston (as opposed to Brookline) that has "blocks and blocks of one-story retail".
Beacon is quite built up
Neither can I, and I don't think it even describes much of Beacon St. in Brookline. There is some of that near Cleveland Circle, but for the most part, Beacon St. is well built up.
OK - Fair enough
I don't drive down Beacon Street that much and looking at a map I didn't realize how little of it is actually in Boston once you cross the pike- I generally use Comm Ave to go west and Route 9 to get to Brookline and was thinking more of Comm Ave, Brighton Ave, Harvard Ave, Cambridge Street/Ave etc. which all fit that low rise mold. The point is - we need to stop cramming every ounce of development into downtown especially if we are looking at lower cost housing for students and young professionals - I think this is a good idea - but you're not going to get really cheap housing in there no matter what you do (I think Vornado/Hynes et al is into the property alone for $100 million and even if sold at a loss you are still looking at Class A office and luxury condos to make those numbers work). There are enormous opportunities in many of the biz districts througout the city and residential areas as I've mentioned before to increase density at reasonable cost (which increasingly rules out Charlestown, Fenway and Southie). Huge portions of A/B, Centre street in JP and West Rox, Rozzie Squ., Dorchester for UMASS Boston. You probably need to get the per unit development cost below $200k, or even $150k before you are going to get units that can rent for under $1000/month - and even there they need to be in areas where the assessments won't drive the property taxes through the roof. You're talking $12k per year - take off $6k for taxes, maintenance and insurance and that only leaves another $6k to service the loan or a little more than $100k at today's rates - assuming you can find landlords comfortable working on a breakeven cash flow and zero return on capital save for future gains - you're not going to put up units at that cost any time soon anywhere from Fenway east and will probably struggle even in most other parts of the city.
Agreed, it's time to de-emphasize the core
We've discussed this before, I completely agree. I just wanted to point out that Beacon St. already looks the way you and I would like to see things go in Boston proper west of Mass Ave. (Columbus, Washington, Blue Hill, etc.).
I agree completely
Except you want to put these students in neighborhoods which don't have the amenities they want (nor do the current residents) such as bars and good retail (obviously some exceptions such as AB).
Thank You
Professor Obvious.
Ross and LaMattina need a thorough practical course in rational analysis and problem solving. The likely translation for their usual ravings: "we can't actually solve or mitigate these problems because WE ARE TOO BUSY GRANDSTANDING ON THESE PROBLEMS!"
Clarification on off-campus students
I mumbled most of my comments so to clarify, there are approximately 30,000 post-secondary students living off-campus within the city of Boston, currently. This is the number the city of Boston includes in its University Accountability Report for Fall 2009. (Fall 2010 is not yet available and Spring 2010 shows fewer students, presumably because of students who drop out after the first semester.)
Approximately 40,000 live on-campus and the remaining 60,000 live outside the city's limits. This includes all undergraduate and undergraduate students in private colleges and universities (but not UMASS-Boston, Roxbury Community College or Bunker Hill Community College, as they are not required to report their enrollments or student housing arrangements to the city).
The city of Boston has 645,000 residents, as of 2009, according to the US Census Bureau. So, off-campus students make up less than 5 percent of the total.
The city of Boston has 154,000 units of rental housing, according to the US Census Bureau. Off-campus students take up approximately 7,500 units (at 4 per apartment, per the city's estimate), or less than 5 percent of the total.
Yes, certain neighborhoods have higher percentages of students than others.
Mike Ross postscript
I wrote my post as the hearing was going on (hey, it's how I roll). I'd just packed up my laptop when Ross made a closing statement, basically saying the real issue was the need to increase the number of housing units in Boston. Period.
So it's not true he just wants to run students out of town on a rail.
Your last sentence is in
Your last sentence is in direct opposition to every posture Mike Ross has taken in the last three years re: students.
I take full credit for that
Well, he obviously heard me say that the real reason rents have gone up is because Boston gained 56,000 residents during the past decade, almost ten percent in just ten years and an estimated two-thirds of them went looking for apartments, not condos. The majority of those who moved here were older than college-aged so they could afford to rent whatever was available. Since the number of apartments available stayed constant (the US Census Bureau actually says we lost apartments in the '00's), demand when up while supply stagnated. The end result was higher prices.
We could add tens of thousands of apartments and still not completely satiate demand.
Professor Bluestone's idea of building graduate student housing is interesting, but I feel it's as likely to happen as we getting flying cars before I die.
What need?
There just is not a huge need for grad-student housing. Local universities would be pressing really, really hard to get it built if it was hurting their efforts to recruit students. Housing costs are a concern for grad students, like they are for everyone. Do grad students want to live on-campus or in a totally student building downtown? I am not convinced that is their preference, unless it would be cheaper than private housing. I bet most grad students in this town are part-time, and working at least part-time if not full-time.
And where are the blocks and blocks of one-story buildings in Commonwealth? The only ones I can think of are between Kenmore Square and Packard's Corner, most of which is owned by BU.
There are five law schools in
There are five law schools in Boston (including Harvard). The majority of law students go to law school full time and make little or no income on the side. Two of the five law schools are located downtown and do not offer grad students school-owned housing.
I am one of those students, and I pay over $1000 a month for a little apartment in a neighborhood within walking distance (not Beacon Hill), as I choose not to have a roommate (had one last year, long story, didn't work out).
If there was a clean, modern high rise in Downtown Crossing that offered studios or one-bedroom apartments for a reasonable price (what I pay now or less), I would gladly look into it, as I'm sure many of my fellow classmates would as well.
Unfortunately...
... a lot of people would look into it. Even a small one bedroom of 650 sf valued at say $500 per sf would be worth well over $300k. Taxes, insurance, interest on 80% LTV, maintenance - even in a non-doorman building with no parking, will come out to probably over $1500 per month. You need these units where the math works - and that's generally west of mass ave.
highest and best use
Yes, I agree wholeheartedly, Stevil. It wouldn't make much sense to build a dorm in the city center. The cost of land is too high.
Students would have no problem being outside the city center. Barry Bluestone mentioned Brooklyn as an option for those going to school in Manhattan. The equivalent distance in Boston would be ... Melrose.
I'm not sure he was talking tax exempt property
Is the Harvard part of Trilogy tax-exempt? It sounded to me he was thinking more along the lines of the "inno" apartments Menino wants to build in the seaport area.
Of course, somebody did propose a "multi-university student village" for Boston a couple years back. Remember the original plan for the YMCA property on which Northeastern (well, a company working with Northeastern) now plans to put a dorm?
how about quincy center?
How about quincy center? Alas it needs to be more urban though.
The problem with Melrose, of
The problem with Melrose, of course, is that it's six transfers across seven different forms of transportation for eighty minutes just to get there.
(Unless you drive, which defeats the purpose ...)
Let the schools build it
If the schools feel there is a need, let them build it. But they had better be paying taxes on the property. Sorry, I do not feel that I as a Boston taxpayer should subsidize below-market rents for grad students who want to attend school full-time. It is choice they made, and they can pay for it through work and loans.
Sorry, I do not feel that I
Sorry, I do not feel that I as a Boston taxpayer should subsidize free masses for churchgoers* who want to attend service every week. It is choice they made, and they can pay for it through work and loans.
also to be used: museum goers, high school students, people in need of emergency care etc...etc...
hmmmmm
Since I have a gun and am a trained police officer, can you give me the part of my taxes which goes to my local police? I don't need them.
This will not work
because there are not enough liquor establishments in the area. Transfer some of the bars in Southie there then it will be a hit.