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It can be tough finding an apartment in this town if you're black

Harold M. Clemens writes; says Hispanics seem to own all the apartments in the 'hood these days:

... lord knows I'm tired of grinnin', cracking fake smiles, and putting on an affected accent just to find a place to rest for the next few months. I'm even more tired of being second guessed. one palito bitch asked me, "You make $40k?!" in visible shock after reading my rental app. Beeeyyooottchh!! as if $40k is some kinda money! I got peoples who probably blow that on weed, alcohol, and food in a year. ...

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if you "got peoples" that blow 40 grand on weed and alcohol maybe the landlord doesnt want you there because she knows your "peoples" might be showing up with the weed and alcohol.so stop "grinnin and crackin fake smiles for "palito bitches".good luck yo.

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If that were the case, I should be in jail, lol.

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Since when did UniversalHub become a place to repost profane, racist blog posts, Adam?

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I'm usually pretty good with slang, but I've never heard this one. Definition, please?

Suldog
http://jimsuldog.blogspot.com

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Palito is a veteran Filipino 70's-80's slapstick comedian/actor well-known for his unusually light and horizontally-challenged anatomy, thus earning him the self-deprecating screenname 'Palito', which is Spanish for 'stick', understood in Filipino as 'matchstick' or 'toothpick'.

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I really don't know why he's calling people toothpick. The word (in Spanish, Portuguese, maybe some other languages too) literally means little stick, and I've heard it used for drumsticks, chopsticks, popsicle stick, a very small tree... even a shot of rum! But I've certainly never heard "palito" used as a slur. An insult, maybe, if you want to call someone skinny.

Even imagining that it has become a slur in "Mr. Clemens"' social group, I can't really figure out either who it's against or why. My best guess is that it's against Asians, and it's because they use chopsticks.

Really, I'm so stumped that I just asked the blogger.

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Why should U-Hub become a place that turns a blind eye to everyday life? If Boston has indeed become a majority-white city again it is most likely because so many blacks have left the city over the past few years. Perhaps quite a few of those left because of experiences similar to the one Adam re-posted.

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Not because of race and income, but because of his personality. Especially if he likes to describe the people he encounters using the kinds of slurs he uses here.

It simply isn't clear from his post if he can't find a place to live because people are excluding him because he is black, or if he can't find a place because he refuses to live with people who are not black (or, at least, with hispanic neighbors and property owners). The former is a social problem (and clearly WRONG), the latter would be his problem.

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Good points, but I think they're fairly immaterial to whether Adam should have linked to his post or not. Unless, of course, it's one's belief that U-Hub should primarily be a place for agonizing over Sox and leggings.

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...he looking for a place in his neighborhood, a supposedly Black neighborhood, and the gate keepers to said neighbor hood are White. It's one thing (not excusable, but more likely) for Black person to face racism when apt shopping in a white neighborhood; but one would expect a Black person to face less problems due to race in a Black neighborhood.

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I went and read the entire rant. Not that I don't believe in blogs as rantspace or understand that people can get frustrated and go off on, well, absurdly prejudiced tangents, but I certainly didn't get that idea in any direct or even oblique way. It seemed to me that he was blaming anybody BUT white people for his problems.

I realize that renting places can be difficult for persons of color in Boston, having "screened" for friends of mine (visited promising places as their "agent"), but c'mon! This just sounds like all the blood-lead damaged townies blaming all them (insert nonwhite and/or immigrant) person here for taking all the jobs or driving up the rent prices or buying all the houses with their welfare money and such - only this time it is one minority going after others. The man couldn't be happier about that!

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"you'd think finding a spot in the city wouldn't be that bad given the abundance of brown folks, but it seems like we're only tenants and palitos are actually the ones who check credit scores and distribute housing in 'hoods that are supposedly 'ours.'"

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means white? Is this a new slang word? I'm not exactly au courant with the, um, latest urban lexical fashions. I've been trying to figure out what he means by "palitos;" I even posted a comment on his blog asking him. Do you have a link to any reference that explains "palito" as being slang for white?

(My favorite palito is still the one I echar in my cafe on the weekend)

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It's a choice between Filipino and Hispanic - In his post, he also refers to the landlords as "brown."

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quieren saber.

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Harold M. Clemens responds: He means whites.

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I guess we can say it's okay now because he just called a woman nasty names based on her immutable gender attributes, it wasn't a racist thing, right?

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Immutable gender and racial attributes.

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I'm gonna have to ask him how he pronounces it.

I wonder if it's Paul or pail.

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You may know the guy and have some background understanding about his situation and experiences, but I'm still not seeing anything here about being denied housing by whites. I don't doubt that it could/would happen, I just don't get that from your quote.

What I am seeing is whole lot about "owning" a neighborhood (how f*ing 1980s Southie or Charlestown can you get?) and rants about other minorities. Fine - his blog, he can rant.

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...can be broken down like this. Pal*ito / pale skinned person (as opposed to brown people) / white person? Call me crazy.

I don't see the connection between Southie and Charlestown.

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I wouldn't have to go through this bullshit if more of the fortunate amongst us opted to buy real estate in our own neighborhoods instead of fleeing. it's our own fuggin fault.

A very portable quote in time and space - could have come straight from those resisting the integration of public housing in the 1980s.

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Where is there racism in this post? The post is ABOUT racism.

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We may be determining where the racism is. Or maybe not. I dunno.

Suldog
http://jimsuldog.blogspot.com

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that the word "bitch" in "Palito bitch" is a sexist slur, can't we?

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Gee, I wonder what he wrote. Maybe he said he was looking for a place to have a "Ghetto Uprising."

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...the man knows how to write.

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it's no mystery among many black professionals that there is a feeling sometimes that you have to tapdance to get what you want or prove your worth. HC is entitled to his rants, but the post does speak to the issues of ownership and gentrification as well, which usually don't get mentioned here that much.

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I believe that prejudice exists, and that black professionals suffer the effects of it more than, say, white professionals (though I don't see any indication that the original blogger is a professional), but ...

what's a palito? (Besides, as aforementioned, a little stick, a popsicle stick, a drumstick, a tiny tree, a shot of hooch, or a Filipino comedian from the 70s?)

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Harold M. Clemens is a professional. Poke around on his blog a little to see if you can figure out what he does.

And this isn't directed at you specifically, but try viewing the comments being made here from a different lens. People are essentially saying that they might question this guy's integrity (professionalism, respect for property and neighbors, financial soundness, etc.) based on his having ranted in colloquial language. They're saying it has nothing to do with his race (or gender...), but rather with his comments and his attitude. But what if we consider, say, the white females who rant in their blogs in white female colloquial language about how hard it is to get an apartment? People might make comments about their helplessness or irritating attitude or whathaveyou, but you don't see people making comments in which they conclude that they're unprofessional or poor tenants based on what they write in their blogs. You also don't see comments in which people assume that these white females exhibit similar cattiness or entitlement in their workplace or business dealings and that their attitudes are why they can't get an apartment or a job or whatever -- it's just assumed that they know how to act professionally when necessary. Why can't we assume the same of Mr. Clemens?

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What is white female colloquial language?

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It's the online equivalent? Of talking entirely in questions?

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Colloquial language that white females use. The colloquial language that white females use is not marked (in the sense of the linguistic term), because white American language is the default in the U.S. So it wouldn't come across as pertaining to any particular demographic, unless you were consciously thinking about such things. It's common that we'd label something as "Black urban speech" or something similar, but not as common that we'd note that someone is speaking in a "white dialect," since the default doesn't usually get a descriptor. Likewise, we make different assumptions about marked language than we do about unmarked language.

In other words, we're quick to say that a Black male is uneducated or unprofessional because of his use of colloquial language appropriate to his demographic, and to assume that he would use similar colloquial language when applying for an apartment. But if a white female is ranting in a blog using appropriate colloquial language for her demographic, we don't call her uneducated or unprofessional or assume that she uses similar language or behavior when renting an apartment.

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White women who use less than textbook English are often referred to as white trash.

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I think you're veering dangerously close to a multiculturalist tautology.

The default usually doesn't get a descriptor, therefore assumptions based on marked language are wha? In the words of a girl who dropped out of my 7th grade class in Kentucky, "Y'all don't know yer beans from yer taters." Now there's a marked white dialect for you (with a side of grits).

The half of this site that isn't making fun of stupid criminals and politicians seems to be making fun of the things people say, but someone gets a free pass now? Can I spin around, cross my fingers, and call you a double-secret crypto-racist now?

Guy says some stupid shit, we all make fun of him. BFD. And I still don't know who the toothpicks are.

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What's your point??? Please use simple English for us simple folk.

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There are definitely varieties of white American English that are marked. "English with an Accent" by Rosina Lippi-Green is a great book discussing discrimination against people who speak marked varieties of American English, and it includes some dialects that are predominately spoken by white people.

But the point still stands; as a speaker of unmarked American English, if I'm complaining in colloquial language about my job or being turned down for a loan or something, people don't assume that I'm using such language because I'm uneduated or assume that I used such language in an interview. They assume, usually without even realizing it, that I easily switch between professional lingo and colloquial lingo. The same people (probably because they're less familiar with Black folks) may not assume the same of people speaking in Black colloquial language, and may likely assume that the person "had an attitude" or "ran his mouth" in the interview.

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Excellent linguistic points. I'd make the same points myself if I wasn't so damn lazy.

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Here's what I think the error is:

1. Dominant language is unmarked; subaltern language is marked.
2. We remark on subaltern language, but don't remark on dominant language.
3. Therefore, we're racists.

See, there's really no progress between step 1 and step 2; the tautology prevents movement to step 3. To be marked is to be remarkable. We remark because it's marked. The remarking is the marking. We might well be racists, but that doesn't follow from step 2.

One of the prime commandments of multiculturalism is Thou Shalt Not Judge. That's why people try to remove all terms that imply a judgment from their discourse. So instead of saying you speak "American Standard English," you say you speak "unmarked American English," because "Standard" might imply a value judgment, because if it's not standard, it's what, substandard?

But removing value judgments entirely from everyday life can end up leaving us in which my least favorite Bush called "the soft bigotry of low expectations." (that's the double-secret crypto-racism) Personally, I think it's entirely appropriate to make value judgments about the way people talk: some people speak better, and some people speak worse. Some people use language in a way that indicates they are educated and intelligent, and some people don't. I think it would be good for those who don't to realize that, and educate themselves. I did, and I benefited from it.

I am sure that when you use colloquial language, that you do so in just as intelligent and educated a fashion as the way you are expressing yourself now. Or, to put that in value-neutral language, you speak in an unmarked colloquial dialect. Or, to put that in normal language, you speak American Standard English round the clock.

So there's the tautology again: we wouldn't remark on your colloquial language because, being unmarked, it's unremarkable. That doesn't make us bad people; it just means that norms exist. Which we knew. And which I don't think is a bad thing.

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"We're racists" doesn't quite express it though. I'm viewing racism as a systemic thing that everyone in the dominant culture perpetuates in various ways, not as something perpetuated by specific individuals being blatant assholes. When a hotel chain orders little bottles of hair and skin products that aren't appropriate for African-American skin and hair types, there's racism there, because I can wash my hair there without thinking twice, but other guests can't. But I doubt that the person ordering supplies is a racist and insists on making the hotel unwelcoming to people of color. The person probably just is white and didn't consider that there are other types of shampoo and skin products.

It's not anyone's fault that my language is unmarked and other people's is. But if I fail to stop and think and try to put aside my biases, then I'm perpetuating racism. If someone isn't familiar with people of color and assumes that they can't shift between colloquial and professional language like I can, there's racism there. It doesn't make that person "a racist."

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OK, let's start again, just so nobody is offended. God (whatever or whomever you may believe that appellation to mean, or even if you don't feel that the term should be used because it perpetuates the dominant group's institutionalized religious beliefs at the expense of those with equally valid non-institutionalized beliefs or lack of same) knows that I respect your intelligence, Eeka, and I also like you. However...

If racism is perpetuated by everyone in the dominant culture, then it follows that racism is perpetual. In other words, it's always going to be with us, so why bother?

I know that's a bit facetious, but really - if it's always going to be here, why don't we all just relax and enjoy ourselves instead of getting so uptight about it?

Also, I make my living by speaking English, as well as recording/editing others who do. Communication is standardized because it's the easiest way of letting others know what you want, need, or are thinking. The more non-standardization, the less likely we are to understand one another. When people start making up words (palito, for a very good example) or paying no attention to the norms for syntax and grammar, then the chances of being misunderstood are just that much greater. And isn't misunderstanding others one of the greatest sources of racial tension? I don't give a rat's ass if it's my way of speaking or someone else's, but a standard helps society immensely.

Suldog
http://jimsuldog.blogspot.com

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This was on his blog. I don't know who he was talking to, but who you are talking to makes a difference. I don't think he should feel like he needs to use standard English when ranting to himself, mostly.

After I described a technical session I attended at a conference, one of our non-tech people pulled me aside and thanked me for "speaking English". What that meant was "thanks for effectively communicating the gist of a technical proceeding to a mixed audience". If the goal is communication, then tailoring "standard" English to the audience and context is critically important.

Of course, in international conference space, surrounded by people who spoke in subcontexts nested in subcontexts, I write and speak differently. Like "discussing geographies of uncertainty when subunit spatial autocorrelation is problematic to stable effect estimates for integration into HIA projections" differently. In other sessions, people very much altered their speech for the sake of the tranlators, who had general technical scientific background but might stumble over specific jargon snippits. I write informal pieces even more differently, and then there is the comment speech I use on blogs. Fuck yeah, that.

Put simply: the problem may not be that vitriolic blogger has lapsed into slang, it may just be that he isn't talking to you!

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The audience certainly matters, as does the context. I don't always speak perfectly, and a brief look at my blog will tell anyone that I certainly don't follow all of the rules when writing. I had no problem with Mr. Clemens's blog - aside from not knowing what "palito" meant, and that's been cleared up.

Here, I was just replying to Eeka's points concerning language. I wasn't trying to set down rules for Mr. Clemens's use on his blog. My apologies if that was unclear.

Suldog
http://jimsuldog.blogspot.com

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"(whatever or whomever you may believe that appellation to mean, or even if you don't feel that the term should be used because it perpetuates the dominant group's institutionalized religious beliefs at the expense of those with equally valid non-institutionalized beliefs or lack of same)"

Actually laughing aloud at this!

Come on though, do you really think racism can't be reduced? Look at how much it's gotten better in many ways during your lifetime and mine. Same can be said for homophobia, sexism, religionism, etc. I definitely don't think we should give up and stop acknowledging that these things exist.

I don't think communication even has to be standardized to be understood. Yes, there was a misunderstanding regarding palito, sure. But we're going to find ambiguities and structures that lack clarity in most communication. We're also going to run into terminology we're not familiar with. It doesn't necessarily mean that the speaker needs to change it. If I read technical language like the stuff Swirlygrrl uses, I'm not going to understand most of it. It isn't being written for me though. If there was some reason I needed to understand it, I'd hope the speaker would be able to translate for me. Likewise when I do the transgender issues training and disability rights trainings at work. I provide a glossary so people can understand what terms mean and know which terms tend to be preferred by people in these communities. I don't ask people in these communities to change their terminology.

Again, I point to Rosina Lippi-Green, who makes the point that intelligibility isn't usually the issue when people take issue with "nonstandard" forms of English. She gives examples of people who were fired for using Hawai'ian or African-American or southern or gay male dialects. These folks were perfectly effective communicators, and no one had an actual difficulty understanding what was being said. People were uncomfortable that it wasn't being said the way they would say it.

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Eeka:

Thanks. Glad I could provide a chuckle - or a snort, as the case may be.

No, I certainly do believe that racism (and other -isms) can definitely be reduced or even eliminated. My problem was with your terminology, or phrasing.

When you say that something is being perpetuated by everyone in the dominant culture, then you have left no other choice than to believe that YOU think it is likely to be permanent. Perhaps I over-reacted to an over-statement? Do you really believe that EVERYONE in the dominant culture is perpetuating racism? If that is true, then, again, I can only draw the conclusion that it is hopeless to rail against it.

(That doesn't mean I won't fight it. I've fought for plenty of lost causes in my time. I just won't lose sleep over it.)

Suldog
http://jimsuldog.blogspot.com

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Yes, I think we're all perpetuating racism to an extent. I'm sure there are times I say something or make a decision without having full background how it's going to affect people of a different background from mine. Again, refer to the hotel example. We all do things of this sort, because it's just not possible to be aware and sensitive to every single issue out there. Hopefully, by examining our own biases and being more mindful about how we are in the world, each of us can decrease the amount that we perpetuate racism, but I don't think there's anyone in the dominant group who doesn't perpetuate it whatsoever.

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"... it's just not possible to be aware and sensitive to every single issue out there."

I agree. That being the case, doesn't it make sense to pull back and not get as upset as we sometimes might concerning those issues that are missed, and instead of lumping these misses under a term as charged with emotion as "racism", might we not just call them "oopsies" or something? :-)

Anyway - and I think now this discussion is becoming one of just semantics - if perpetuation is decreased, but not eliminated (as you've just pretty much said that it can't be, since we can't ever be aware of everything), then it IS permanent - at least based on your language.

I think that was my point, but it was so many paragraphs ago! I just want to go home and watch some cartoons now...

Suldog
http://jimsuldog.blogspot.com

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Yeah, it would be nice if there was a different term for covert racism. I do think it's important to recognize the experiences of people whose lives are shaped by being victims of covert racism (or covert homophobia, or or or). A lot of people don't understand the distinction between institutional/systemic/covert racism and outright hatred. But it's different than just an "oops." We need some word that recognizes the systems behind these things, but also recognizes that most of us aren't perpetuating them purposely.

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I think you're making a huge assumption. Do you really believe that if somebody wrote in a non-standard yet obviously white dialect as deviant from the norm as that spoken by "Mr. Clemens" in his Palito post we would not chaff him equally? I don't.

Is it your argument that teasing Mr. Clemens in this fashion is racism, whereas equal teasing of our hypothetical Bubba would not be? How about if our hypothetical Bubba used sexual and racial epithets in his agrammatical rant? Would it be all right to joke about him then?

There are many forms of racism. Which is worse: teasing someone for using non-standard dialect and having Trotskyist pretensions, or giving someone a pass on ridicule because he has brown skin, as if melanin is some sort of handicap?

And if you think the soap they provide in hotels is appropriate for my dry, pink skin, you're wrong. But I don't think that makes the hotels racist. I just bring my own (unscented olive oil) soap everywhere, because I know I have unusual needs.

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Again, I'm not talking about someone using a marked/stereotypeable form of English that's associated with white people. I'm talking about if I were to speak colloquially in my own dialect. As in, Mr. Clemens is speaking in a dialect that's appropriate for someone of his race who's frustrated and letting off steam. If I do the same and let off steam in the manner that comes naturally in my dialect, as far as I know, people don't make fun of me or assume that I speak the same way in meetings.

Yes, the horrible pink deodorant soap isn't appropriate for anyone's skin. But I think you know the point I'm making. I've seen many a hotel that does give out decent quality soap/shampoo/lotion, but it's still not of a variety that's geared toward skin and hair textures that a person of color is more likely to have. This is an example of systematic racism. They probably aren't doing this because they don't want people of color to feel welcome there, but more because they're white and they thought "oh, this is a really nice skin care kit" and didn't realize that the products are mainly only going to be appropriate for people with their same skin and hair. The person who ordered the stuff is not "a racist" per se, but the effect at work (that it's harder for a person of color to get their needs met there) is "racism." No, shampoo by itself isn't a big deal, but it's an example of going around and running into stuff every day where you aren't the default and YOU have to adapt, rather than the system adapting to include everyone.

Also, in linguistics, a sentences is grammatical if it conveys a meaning that you understand. It's ungrammatical if it doesn't (Through cat fluiding anti-blue and). You're referring to someone using different prescriptive grammar from perhaps the prescriptive grammar rules of the dialect you prefer. But aside from "palito" and a couple of the ambiguous constructions that weren't related to dialect, I really don't know how you can say you don't understand the points he's making.

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"Mr. Clemens is speaking in a dialect that's appropriate for someone of his race..."

I diagree; Ihave the same standards for people of all skin tones. I really don't want to discriminate against people of darker skin by saying it's appropriate for them to speak agrammatically. I think it's no more appropriate for them than for anyone else - maybe even less so, because it perpetuates lack of access to professional careers and higher education.

The multiculti ajudgmentalism really doesn't work when you follow it to its logical extension. Many academic disciplines, such as linguistics, sometimes veer far off the tracks of reality for the sake of some political phantasm. Grammatical means according to the rules of grammar. Defining grammatical as 'whatever you like' is just silly, and I'll match you PhD for PhD on that one. Grammar exists in order to standardize language and maximize communication. That's it; that's why dictionaries and grammar books were invented. There is a better way and a worse, and which is which is proven daily. Keeping a separate (but equal?) standard for the brown people isn't doing them a favor.

And crappy hotel soap has nothing to do with racism. It's just crappy hotel soap. If it were crappy hotel soap especially for darker skin, then it would be equally crappy.

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"I treat everyone the same" is something that perpetuates racism. You can't treat everyone the same, unless you're treated them white/male/Christian/able-bodied/straight/insertdefaulthere.

In academic writing, there are standards for ways that we use language. I imagine that you and I and Mr. Clemens all would write a dissertation using similar forms of English. But this isn't in any way related to your belief that Mr. Clemens should use white colloquial language insted of Black colloquial language.

You're still (likely deliberately) missing the hotel soap point. I've gotten some really nice soap/shampoo/lotion in hotels; brand-name stuff that's nicer than the stuff I buy myself. But I've never walked into a room and found a kit of hygiene products that are for people of color. Since they didn't ask for my race when I registered online, I'm going to assume that everyone is getting products for people with my skin/hair type. I get the "right" products, but people of color don't.

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Eeka:

I've got to be missing something here. I'm willing to listen patiently, before going off on a tangent again.

Treating everybody the same perpetuates racism? What, exactly, doesn't perpetuate racism?

Suldog
http://jimsuldog.blogspot.com

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Recognizing them for who they are. I've had people, in all seriousness, tell me that I've always had equal rights, because I should divorce my spouse and marry a random male if I want the same federal rights everyone has. I've also had people tell me that the children with disabilities with whom I work should be put into a regular classroom and given the same curriculum as everyone else, out of fairness (nevermind that they don't walk or talk or understand academic subjects). Treating everyone with kindness, compassion, fairness, and understanding is what we need. It doesn't work to treat them all "the same."

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"Treating everyone with kindness, compassion, fairness, and understanding is what we need."

I think we're just confusing each other, and we're all on the same page. I think that's what we're all talking about here. When I (or Gareth, I assume) speaks about treating people "the same", I know what I would mean by that is that I look to treat everyone with equal compassion, empathy, etc. It wouldn't mean that I look to apply one standard of treatment to everyone regardless of suitability to that person's individuality.

Suldog
http://jimsuldog.blogspot.com

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Sure, and I figure that you (and probably Gareth) mean that you treat everyone with the same level of respect. But the same language is often used to justify ignoring a problem. I've been asked by organizations to do trainings on sensitive and competent healthcare for GLBT individuals to a particular department, then been told by the department that "we don't need any of that training, because we already treat everyone the same." Yes, which is exactly why you need the training!

Likewise for the well-meaning people who say that they aren't concerned with anyone's race, religion, etc., as if this is a positive thing. Sure, we don't want to dwell on labeling people, but we need to be sensitive to people's backgrounds, and it doesn't work to ignore parts of who someone is. If someone is a Jehovah's Witness and I know that, and I've heard them talk about how they don't celebrate birthdays, but then my "colorblind" self orders them an office cake anyway "to be fair" (but then I also "don't want to single them out" by acknowledging when their holy observances come up and mentioning that I remember it's a special time for them)...well I'm sure you get it.

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there are multiple standards for ways we use language. Each discipline has not only its own jargon, but it's own definitions of common English rules and even some of its own grammar. One thing that academic disciplines tend to have in common is abstraction to the point of meaninglessness.

Assuming what other people believe usually leads to difficulty. I don't assume that you believe in "separate but equal" race-based linguistic communities. I just think that is where your analysis paralysis inevitably leads. Likewise, I don't believe that Mr. Clemens must always speak in a fashion that pleases me, any more than I think Vinnie from Revere must always do so. I am simply pointing out basic truths that you seem not to want to accept, such as there is a Standard English, and it is to our advantage to speak it.

Mr. Clemens, from his other posts, is evidently an intelligent and educated man. Sometimes he mimics the speech patterns of less intelligent and educated people. That's fine; so do I sometimes. This whole thing was started by the incongruity of the tone of his post with its content (and the mystery of the word "palito.") Someone pointed out that it is funny. I still think it is. "Beeeyyooottchh!! as if $40k is some kinda money! I got peoples who probably blow that on weed, alcohol, and food in a year..." is hilarious.

As for perpetuating racism, "I treat all speech patterns as equal" is also something that perpetuates racism. Reifying "Black colloquial language" as if it is an equal alternative dialect to something you call "White colloquial language" is a kind of linguistic apartheid. Is it really "good enough for them" to speak English poorly? I don't think it's good enough for any of us. That we should make a special exception for a historically oppressed people is practically a conspiracy. The greatest support for this linguistic apartheid really comes from outside the urban black community. For example, Gangsta Rap's overwhelmingly white fan base makes it just this century's form of minstrelsy. That's right, 50 cent is aptly named, because he's just playing the fool for YT's pocket change -- and he's taking his community with him.

"Black colloquial language" is also one of the worst things ever to happen to Hispanics in this country. They finally make it to this country, move to the cheapest part of town, and think they're learning English. It's only years later that they realize they've become "black." This is not something I read in an academic book; this is something I've seen with my own eyes as a Big Brother.

As for deliberately missing points about soap, that goes both ways. I think you're deliberately missing the point that if a hotel buys only one soap, they're going to buy either the cheapest one or the one they feel will please the greatest proportion of their guests, or both. Calling that racism is just paranoia that hurts the struggle against real racism. If you want to see different soap, go to different hotels. I, personally, have stayed at hotels that had specifically afrocentric toiletries.

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I wanna go to these hotels! That's really great to hear.

I'm talking about covert racism, not someone "being racist." It's not necessarily an incorrect decision for a company to make the decision that meets the needs of the majority. But it often is oppressive to people who aren't the majority. This is what being a minority is -- we go through life with constant reminders that things weren't planned with us in mind. We usually weren't deliberately excluded, but people just didn't remember our needs. A friend of mine just gave birth to a child. A relative of hers had ordered a baby album, then opened it up and realized it had spots for pictures of "mommy and daddy." This is the majority family structure, at least at birth, but this book doesn't work for babies with mommy and mama, or just mama, or whatnot. This particular book, with places to write about mommy giving birth and the baby resembling mommy and daddy, also didn't work for adopted kiddos. The person sent back the book and made their own. This doesn't mean it's a bad book, but just that the person was writing from the lens of there only being one type of family. This friend of mine also got paperwork at the hospital on which her spouse was listed as "father" and her spouse got a "father" bracelet. Again, constant reminders that things weren't designed with you in mind. Starts to feel kinda shitty.

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I've enjoyed our conversation. You've made a lot of good points, and you have a lot of patience and good will. God bless - unless that makes you feel squitchy.

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You're a pleasure to chat with, always. Hey do you have a blog?

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My african coworkers think you are nuts to go on about toiletries in hotels (although one appreciated the cocoa butter in our NC hotel, as did I). In Nigeria, you apparently get Breck/Suave or equivalent, too.

It just wasn't an effective example, as these things are usually cheap, bottled, and not really tailored to any particular person save the purchasing agent and the auditors.

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...cuz hotels tend to just suck and be arbitrary in trying to meet anyone's needs!

A better example might be that if I go to just about any random mini mart in this country, I can find hygiene products that are basically usable for my skin and hair, but people who don't have my skin/hair type can't always find something. Doesn't make the store owner "a racist," but is an example of how most things are geared toward people who are pink as a default.

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The rebuttal to this is that you're just looking in the wrong neighborhood. Go to the corner store in Mattapan and you'll find what the clientele wants, just like you will at the corner store in Boise. Different clientele, different products. Feedback is very direct at a corner store. And obviously you're not living in my neighborhood.

The way a store makes purchasing decisions almost certainly has little input from systemic or covert racism. Stores track what sells and doesn't sell, and buy more of what sells - especially at small stores, where the owner/operator might not only know all of his products but most of his customers.

Being able to find products that are basically usable for your (can I say it? PALITO!!!) skin and hair at most places means something quite simple - you are in a majority group. Because the stores maximize their sales by carrying products that appeal to the greatest number of their customers, you are in luck. If a store finds its clientele wants something different, they'll usually carry something different - and these products will then slug it out over shelf space.

I think a more effective point would be clothes sizing. For example, Lands End makes its trousers pretty slim in all the wrong places. Not to put too fine a point on it, but they've got flat-ass cut A and flat-ass cut B. Some more, er, gluteally endowed men, such as myself, really can't fit into either terribly well, and so have to buy larger sizes. I do wonder what models they work on for their sizing standards. Let's just say I don't think there are too many raisins in the oatmeal over there.

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The fact that products for African hair and skin aren't at every store is an example of systematic racism.

If a community has 999 white people and 1 African person, that person's probably going to have to go to another community or order products on the internet. This doesn't mean the store has done anything wrong by not stocking the products, or that the store owner is a bad person. But this systematic racism by definition. Go read more about it.

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... I'm much less likely to find kosher meat in my local supermarket. Is that racism?

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wicked racist hot dog yesterday.
Pork and beef together. Just imagine!
Good thing I didn't put mayonnaise on it.

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You don't have to explain to people every single day how to prepare a meal that you can eat (or are readily willing to eat). You don't have to call ahead or make other arrangements any time someone is serving food at your job. You don't have well-meaning people give you gifts of things you'd never in a million years eat and have to wrestle with not wanting to seem ungrateful. Yet another way that you're in a place of privilege that you've probably not even thought about.

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Do you know how hard it is to find an all-pork hot dog anymore? I've given it up. I'll settle for half-pork, but I won't eat all-beef hot dogs, which is all the majority of stores sell these days. What kind of privilege is that?

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The good points you make are sometimes overshadowed by your preposterous idees fixe.

You are using the concept of "systemic racism" in a wholly idiosyncratic fashion. 'The fact that products for African hair and skin are not available at every store' might be more typically referred to as marketing.

Do you have any reputable sources for your usage of this concept? The sources
I find use it in a very different way, and talk more about things like educational access and capital punishment. You know... real stuff.

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Like my whole graduate education, during which we studied forms of oppression such as claims that day-to-day structures of privilege and oppression aren't worthy of consideration in a world where there are REAL issues like violence and poverty!

On a more basic level, try Peggy McIntosh's articles on white privilege, or any of Beverly Daniel Tatum's books.

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you might actually get to the point where there is only one word per line.

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I'm willing to see if it whittles down to a word a line. Here's my contribution!

Suldog
http://jimsuldog.blogspot.com

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I was wondering that too. How skinny can we make the thread? Is it at the point now where it would wrap words like supercalafragilisticinstitutionalracism?

http://1smootshort.blogspot.com

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Using longer words forces the right margin over. We gotta use real small words.

http://1smootshort.blogspot.com

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My URL doesn't help. It's too long. Gotta lose the .sig!

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The right margin will just keep getting farther and farther away from the left, and you'll follow it and you'll be so absorbed in the trek that you won't notice you've just come to the end of the earth and you'll fall off and that's the last anybody will ever hear of you.

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Shouldn't someone post that "end of the internet" link right about now?

But make sure you use a tinyurl so you don't make the column too wide.

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that you still have your academic placenta.

But you're in some kind of deep denial about your idiosyncratic use of the terminology, and pointing us towards obscure articles we might be able to look up at the Widener isn't helping your case.

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I can figure out a few things:

1. He works with kids, probably after school.
2. He went to college, dropped out of law school, and applied to grad schools this spring.
3. He can write intelligently when he wants to, but sometimes doesn't want to.
4. The post that started this all is the dumbest thing he's written on his blog.

But I still don't know who he's calling a toothpick.

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>But I still don't know who he's calling a toothpick.

HEE.

(BTW, I think he's a classroom teacher in public schools, or at least was at some point last year when he was blogging about such things.)

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