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Concert outside City Hall ends in roving melee across downtown

A concert by Pittsburgh rapper Mac Miller at City Hall Plaza tonight featured fights and ended in more fights and disturbances that brought police units from across the city.

Fights broke out from City Hall Plaza to Winter and Tremont streets - where dozens of panicked people who thought they heard gunshots suddenly started running down Winter toward Washington Street. Detectives looked for bullets or other evidence of gunfire but found none.

Tremont Street was briefly closed to traffic as police tried to clear the crowds.

Account of what it was like on the Red Line, both before and after the concert.

Water bottles flying before Miller took the stage (they continued through his set):

It wasn't all drunken violence. Here, an apparent fan of Where the Hell Is Matt gets his dance on:

Miller performing "Donald Trump:"

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So THAT'S why it seemed like an ass hole convention downtown tonight

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i wandered over there and thought the exact same thing. 'why the hell are there thousands of rich suburban kids here?'

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I saw like fifty cop cars race past Chinatown. Must have been in response to this

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We heard the shots and saw dozens of people running full speed out of the downtown crossing t stop. Five minutes later there were 12 state police cruisers, undercover cars, motorcycle units. This was not a few firecrackers

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Wonder if this was a similar situation to Carson Beach only this time the public safety personnel did not step in to stop any problem before it started.

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This guy is closer to Asher Roth or Adam Sandberg's Lonely Island than NWA or Eminem.

Senior Skip Day:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7NJfuVk9hY&feature...

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I haven't heard lyrics that hard hitting since Parents Just Don't Understand

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If you can't have a silly rapper perform at city hall without fights and people just naturally expecting shootings, then the city is so very broken.

Forget you guys. There's no way I'll ever live in Boston proper, after what I saw of it when in school and what I continue to see. Somehow, the Cheers show didn't tell us from other parts of the country of the daily shootings, that children can't play in a park without a real risk of getting gunned down, and the general culture of criminality.

I think the actual good folks in town, who tolerate all the crime and thuggishness, have just gotten used to it, and don't think they have the option of moving somewhere better.

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which golden paradise you impart your wisdom from?

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It's the city.
Everything is exponential compared to the 'burbs.
Many more good times and things to do.
And yes, more trouble.
I take the good with the bad b/c I like a short commute and I like the activities and culture available to me in the big bad city.
You should start an All Suburban blog a post there.

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I've lived in a few cities, and never in the burbs.

Boston is a mediocre city. Not as near as rough as NYC, nor anywhere near as big or important as NYC. Not near as violent or economically hopeless as some other cities we could name, of course. But Boston is not the best, and to think there's nothing better is simply the pariochial ignorance that helps prevent Boston from getting better.

I've been in Somerville/Cambridge, and am *this* close to never reading UH or the Globe again, because Boston proper is so dysfunctional. All the combat zone neighborhoods, the local government corruption, shitty and urban planning. *It's not going to improve*. Boston is like that hopeless druggie ex-friend that at some point you have to start avoiding and then finally cut off, because his mess-ups are just too much and there's not enough of the good parts left.

Please do prove me wrong. Until then, Somerville/Cambridge isn't too bad an area, if one never reads the Boston news.

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'..the combat zone neighborhoods'? Let me be the first to apologize for the city not being NYC. What a tool.

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Hey Adam, somebody who wont' even register a user name is "*this* close" to never visiting your site again! The frickin' horrors!!

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Trolling at its finest

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I have to admit, it does make you think...I moved to Boston after living in suburbs where biggest concern was teenagers smoking pot...but lived in cities where nightly news had to be expanded to report on the 3-4 murders per night (DC). I like cities because "there is always something going on" but sometimes that something is trouble. In the burbs, you have different issues that you can't see as obviously so you feel safer. But in all cases, a lot goes unreported.

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And you will see 95% of the fight participants are suburban gangsters. Given that all the white kids in the area live in the 'burbs it leads me to believe that the bro's pummeling eachother are your garden variety mcmansion-ites.

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Punks to me, this time. Ones is wearing a West Broadway shirt.

Some stupid fight over a girl or drugs most likely, as they always are. Gotta keep it real.

I haven't seen anything confirm the gunshots, or even place these tools in conjunction with it.

My question is will the licensing board and city council put the Mayor's office on final notice for having an event mumbles obviously couldn't control? After all, they do so after every skirmish in a bar.

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"You, however, grew up on the North Shore, huh? Well, la-di-fuckin’-da. You were kind of a double kid, I bet, right? Huh? One kid with your old man, one kid with your mother.

You’re upper-middle class during the weeks, then you’re droppin’ your “R”s and you’re hangin’ in the big, bad Southie projects with your daddy, the fuckin’ donkey on the weekends. I got that right? … Yup. You have different accents? You did, didn’t you?"

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I read West Roxbury.

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not West Broadway. Though perhaps the Celtics shirts were from Southie? Classic rivalry, and yes, in every neighborhood, we have our thuggish kids.

What I find particularly disturbing is the response from most of the others in the crowd, laughing as if comedy, instead of disturbed at the various many to one beatings.

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Look mostly like HS kids to me. Thats always going to get a circle and a cheer on, until some idiot gets all stabby.

Sounds like the real people, and people with kids ran as soon as stuff broke out.

The is a failure of the BPD and Mumbles pure and simple. The irony that it happened right near the BPD headquarters isn't lost on me (And why should it, banks on Broadway are getting held up feet from C6).

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This might show the failure of the mayor and BPD to do something, but there's no irony - BPD headquarters is in Roxbury.

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BPD station A-1 is just behind the JFK Federal Building, on Sudbury Street. That should be close enough to provide an immediate police response to a riot.

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I'm sure much of A-1 was already in the area. When things blew up, they called out the EDTs - designated officers in all the other districts who dropped what they were doing and raced downtown.

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Do you think they have policemen on a shelf somewhere? Do you have people sitting around at your job not doing anything? Assuming you don't work for the state, that is.

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It's in a nice downtown art deco building with granite steps and BOSTON POLICE in a nice futura font.

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I would expect the fight to be more about neighborhood bragging rights or over posturing for some imagined slight.

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Plenty of white kids in Boston.
Southie, Dot, Charlestown, Roslindale and West Roxbury still have plenty of white kids living there.

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Agreed these are a lot of white suburban thugs. I've seen plenty of events down there that went off fine.

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I've been at City Hall plenty of times watching live music with big crowds. No problems whatsoever. The city isn't broken. If you're too scared of the big bad city and all those scary city people then keep hanging out at Wal-mart in your cozy suburb.

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Rude and arrogant folks such as yourself (hanging out at Wal-Mart???) are the rule for Boston residents, rather than the exception, which is why I will never live there. I am not worried about "scary people". I just don't want to be neighbors with completely mean spirited and unaccepting jackdogs like YOU.

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What about the rude, arrogant and ignorant anon above?

Way to give a troll some attention. Absent the small area of Murderpan, Boston is one of the safest cities around. Hell, Worcester, Springfield and Fitchburg are worse per capita, but that doesn't stop suburbanites from going and living there in thoes small towns.

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Worcester is, or was a few years ago, the third largest city in New England. Hardly a town.

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Worcester's the second largest in NE as of the 2010 census. Now guess which one is third.

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And it's tiny. Whats your point?

Mine is that even though it is small in terms of cities and metro areas, it's still more violent than Boston, which is much bigger.

But the burbinites that live all around it, and it's nice neighborhoods aren't running around with their heads cut off like the childish and irrational anon above.

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You could have put this concert in Foxboro, Mansfield, or Lowell and you would get the same amount of white punks from different white cities outside of Boston.

The fact that it was free and close to public transit might make it a little more accessable to punks that can't or won't spend money/travel to an event like this.

And still a little overblown in my opinion. New Years Eve has 100 times as many problems as this concert had, you just won't see a lot of the fights/assaults on video.

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I too have been to many City Hall Plaza concerts without incident. This was an aberration -- though one that needs to be investigated to avoid a repeat next year.

Even the bucolic Esplanade can occasionally have problems like this, as illustrated by the 'Green Day Riot' in 1994.

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Green Day had nothing to do with it, other than attracting young fans who wanted to dance. It was caused by assholes with a power/authority problem looking for an excuse for beating people up.

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Along with the Sox game, it also crippled the T.

The MBTA sent out a desperate alert at 9:25PM stating:

All subway lines experiencing 20-25 min delays due to heavy ridership from the Red Sox game and a concert at Boston City Hall Plaza.

20-25 minute delays on top of the already horrendous Saturday schedule.

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That game should have no effect whatsoever on T service two hours later. (It was a Fox TV 4 pm game)

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Someone from above was clearly trying to tell me something. I was leaving work around 9:30PM, exhausted, and debating whether a cab ride back home to Dot would be easier on my nerves than taking the T from Back Bay Station. When I arrived at the T station, and saw that the next train was probably 10 minutes away (not knowing anything about this delay mess that was happening), I said "what the hell" and went out and caught a cab. 10 minutes later (and less $15) I was home.

Now, reading this story, I realize I didn't just make a decision out of laziness - I avoided being in the midst of MBTA chaos without even knowing it. Ha!

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Haven't seen any on the Red Line yet.

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Back Bay has the LCD display with the live tracking. By saying "10 minutes away" he was using the average time it would take to get from the station the icon was at to Back Bay.

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Or maybe we have it, but not at the stations I use. What other stations have these displays now?

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Gov't Center has the Blue Line one. There is a RL station with one if I remember correctly...

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The Maverick one is the cool old-fashioned one left over from before the station was modernized (or a re-creation of it, at any rate).

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Actually, the Back Bay display is broken. (Not sure what happened to it.) But I was tracking the T on my Blackberry - same thing essentially.

I haven't noticed any Red Line stations that use the display yet. But for the most part, I'm only ever boarding/exiting at JFK, Downtown Crossing, and/or Park Street, so perhaps some other stations have it?

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If only there were some technology available which could possibly give the T advance notice of such unusual and unprecedented events as concerts and baseball games, so that they could plan ahead for expanded capacity. You know, like a calendar.

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Thank You Mayor Menino for allowing this so called concert on City Hall Plaza. It's not a concert. It's a "Rap Show". The City of Boston should be more carefull of what "Concerts" they book at City Hall Plaza. The City Hall Plaza belongs to the citizens of Boston not the Mayor. There are some acts that should not be scheduled at City Hall Plaza such as today.

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Of course a fight breaks out during a lame white rapper's performance

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i don't know if the events are connected but my brother who is a cop in Winchester said there was a riot on the train and the crew fled after they were beaten. He said the word was there were fights and robbeies all over the MBTA.

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I saw a 30 minute delay on the Lowell line, guess this explains it. Haverhill line got hit bad too. Seriously, these little white snotrags need to be banned from the city, have your stupid concerts in Mansfield where you monsters belong. (I am white, btw)

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There should be an investigation into who made the decision to let these punks ride the Red Line without police on board. The result was a night of wilding from Boston to Braintree. Now does anyone believe taking the guards off the Red Line is a good idea.

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But it's at times like this that I, for one, am relieved that Mumbles put his foot down about those offensive tee shirts displayed on Newbury Street.

A threat like that can not go unanswered!

Hundreds of thugs mobbing public transportation and turning down town into an ultimate fight club arena, not so much...

And while the Red Line may have been torched and it's passengers terrorized, hopefully that bike sharing program remained unscathed.

Thank you, Mumbles!

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Someone recorded at least a couple of fights. First one is mayhem.

http://boston.barstoolsports.com/featured/the-free...

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This is a better shot and edited video of the more peaceful events in the concert.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gY_fhKGWmpc

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YouTube took the two fight video's down. This may be gratuitous violence to some, but I see it as news. Fights break out at a City sponsored event with no sign of anyone to break it up.

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/81734518/?l...

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They saved a copy of, at least, the more brutal of the two videos and put it back up (on, er, YouTube).

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I saw this advertised on the City of Boston's official arts calendar as the "Boston Urban Music Festival" but had no idea what that was. According to the city,

Expanding on the Peace Hip Hop Concert, with its message of "peace," local and national performers will gather together to celebrate this new show that will showcase the very best in urban music. This free event takes place on City Hall Plaza on a Saturday evening in August...The 2nd annual Boston Urban Music Festival will be Saturday, August 6th from 5pm-8pm.

They keep using the word 'peace'. I don't think that word means what they think it means.

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So, we can have a full-fledged White Riot in front of Boston City Hall, and neither newspaper knows or cares enough to report it? At least, I don't see anything at either Boston.com or BostonHerald.com about this event. A pretty sad day when we have to rely on Barstool Sports for our local news coverage.

I've also got to wonder whether anyone was bothering to try to enforce either open-container or underage-drinking laws anywhere around there.

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They got a call from mumbles, he told them this is not a news story. And that was that.

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You hit the nail on the head Ron. How is that only Bar Stool, Univeralhub, and Fan Empire which I had never heard of before until just now are the entities covering this. Where are the Boston Globe and Herald?

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Good point. Some black and Hispanic kids get into some fights at the beach and it's national news as a "riot". Some white suburbanites get into a rolling series of fights accross downtown and nothing. Reminds me of how black people were "looting" after Katrina while white people were "finding food".

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Switching lines at Park Street at 5pm my 8 month pregnant wife was nearly pushed into the red line tracks by some carousing kids BEFORE the concert even started! I had to grab a 15ish year old kid to get his attention and tell him to calm down, and he was kind of snapped into reality and became very apologetic. There was a mob mentality, it was very bizarre, literally hundreds of teens pouring out of each redline train that pulled in. Near as I could tell they did not seem drunk, just kind of a contagious bravado permeating the crowd, mainly boys, not many girls there.

On the way home around 9:30 it was 10 times worse. We are no shrinking violets, we love living in a city and pride ourselves on our urban resilience, but my wife was concerned for her safety at that point. When our southbound train pulled into park street the operator announced they would only be opening doors on the side of the center platform, as the outside platform was nearly overflowing with rowdy youth and a team of T officials trying to hold them back. When the train stopped they began madly banging on the windows and doors, screaming at the top of their lungs, it was like something out of an apocalypse movie. The doors on the side that did open were immediately overtaken by incoming kids, pushing and screaming just as loud. Some brave (and large) soul barked them back, screaming to "Back up or you will be fucked up!!!!!" My wife decided right there that this was our exit, no way she was staying on that train even one stop to DTX. We got off and just walked to the orange line.

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yet I can't get a drink or catch a cab after 2am in this city. Something is seriously backwards about the way our mayor treats people who actually want to go out at night.

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Or go to a hookah bar soon.

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Just a mention of the plastic bottles.

http://www.boston.com/ae/music/articles/2011/08/08...

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An obscure website called The Fab Empire has the only other coverage I can find of yesterday's event:

Mac Miller Brings the City of Boston to a Halt

The concert was threatened to be shut down due to the heavy weed smoke and revelers who chose to thought [sic] that throwing plastic bottles full of various liquids was “cool”. The disrespect of artists was rampant as Moe Pope and Goapele were met with boos and restlessness...

Several fights were reported to have broken out after the concert…we’ll see if the “urban” mayhem will be allowed to return next year.

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The MBTA always brags about its excellent video system. The media should demand the T release the videos of the mayhem at the downtown stations

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I am not gonna lie, I am a teenager. I'm 18, and I really like rap. Heck, I'm listening to it right now. I live in the heart of Boston, about 5 minutes walk from where the concert was. What I don't get is why my age group always wants to look like 'badasses'. Picking drunken fights with random people at a 'concert' isn't badass, its stupid. And it looks stupid too, they just have eachother in headlocks half the time. What comes of it? Nothing, and if anything, a court date and a week behind bars. And the fellow inmates aren't going to respect that they think they are a 'badass'. Heck these 'badasses' will be hiding in the corner covering their ass with a food tray for the week they are behind bars.

Then when they get out? They are gonna brag to everyone how badass they were in jail and how tough they are. It was like that all through high school. What the hell is the point of trying to act badass? One day one of these morons will try to act badass to the wrong guy, and will get more than a little street tussle like these. It happened to a kid I know, he always bragged about how tough he was, and one day he bragged to the wrong person, and that wrong person got sick of it and put a steel pipe in the kids face face. Real tough now, moron.

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A+ comment.

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Some of them don't.

Just ask Adam Rich. Oh wait, you can't, because he made the fatal mistake you talk about above a few years back at the Six House.

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Still no mention of this incident on the websites of the local broadcast stations, still nothing on Boston.com or the Herald websites.

Mumbles has really outdone himself on this one. Riots less than 2 blocks from our most hallowed tourist trap...why, we can't let this one make the news, tourists would not feel safe in the neighborhoods we falsely project as safe. Now if this happened at Franklin Park...well, that another story entirely, isn't it?

Menino needs to go, the man is a walking, talking, neon flashing advertisement for term limits. This also strengthens the already strong case that the internet is the only home of a free press nowadays, despite the best efforts of those among the so called "mainstream media" to paint it as the home of basement dwelling conspiracy theorists.

Careful, Adam, I'd hate to have to see you sending anonymous Western Union payments in disguise to your new hosting company in Vanuatu.

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Good point.

I'm willing to give the Globe and Herald the benefit of the doubt and say this is just what happens when you leave your newsroom unstaffed on a Saturday night; let's see whether they have anything on Monday. Then again, the Globe got something up pretty quickly on this morning's double murder in Roslindale, so there might be somebody there ...

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from a Twitter search for "Mac Miller" :

pictureboston Mark Garfinkel
Anybody have photos from the @Mac Miller #Boston show last night? please call the Herald @ 617-619-6468 or [email protected]

This delay may be just as well, as almost nobody reads the Sunday Herald.

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Steve Annear, a reporter there, tweeted this afternoon:

There are limited and sporadic reports about incidents at last nights @macmiller show in #Boston anyone have a first hand account?

He later added:

#Menino bans #Nike shirts promoting drugs, yet @macmiller, an underage rapper who talks about #nike shoes and weed smoking plays in #Boston

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The difference should be obvious. The State Police have their own media relations office, well beyond the reach of Menino's iron fist. That's why he threw the tantrum when State Police released the Carson Beach story without City Hall being able to edit it to their liking. Of course, the City Hall Plaza rioting was handled by BPD and the press release, if it ever comes, will be well sanitized. Move along folks, there's nothing to see here.

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I saw video of the original fight at Carson Beach. It was two girls getting into it and a bunch of people crowding around to watch. Far, far tamer than what happened last night and hardly giant gangs of thugs roaming the beach busting on each other like the initial reports suggested. I'm not discounting the several nights of problems that apparently preceded the Carson Beach shutdown, and I can understand why the State Police would be on edge, but it was hardly the out-of-control wilding that may, in fact, have gone on last night.

As for why the Globe hasn't covered it yet, hey, you know police work, and I know something about reporting, and nothing I've seen yet convinces me this is anything more than darkened newsrooms not having anybody around to listen to the scanner on a Saturday night, as opposed to the steel-fisted occult hand of Tom Menino moving newsrooms around (I first heard about it all on Twitter; turned on the scanner to chaos; believe me, wife and kidlet were NOT happy I immediately put on earbuds to listen while we played a board game).

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I agree that darkened newsrooms have had a chilling effect on breaking news coverage. I'm old enough to remember newspaper and TV owned "cruisers" full of reporters and photogs overnight in Andrew Square, waiting for the next big call. Press releases fill some of the void, but unfortunately they're selectively released. Is there any doubt that if it were a gasoline tanker with a tiny drip (like last week) and not a riot, the story would have been out there?

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I'm not doubting for a second that Menino is good at getting stories out, a la leaking gasoline tanker.

But that's unrelated to the way newsrooms have shrunk dramatically over the last few years (the Herald is down to, what, a dozen reporters?), which is why I can see a media outlet missing something on a Saturday night.

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I'm not sure that lack of staffing explains the discrepancy. I mean there's TV newscasts on Saturday night and Sunday so there's SOMEONE there to do reporting.

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a couple blocks away on Washington Street, this story would have been covered. There are downsides to having newspaper headquarters in remote and unpopulated parts of the city.

(Oh the other hand, Channel 7 studio is almost next door to police station A-1. And Channel 25 is nearby on Beacon Street. Did either of them cover the story?)

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Remote? All they have to do is listen to a scanner. The problem isn't location, it's staffing.

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A lot of the early crime scenes I've been to have independent media/camera people that show up first from what they hear on the scanner. From what I understand they are independent contractors with professional cameras and they sell their early footage to the networks. A major or even minor crime scene will see 3-4 of these independent types show up before a marked network van/truck show up.

Fires have a lot of scanner listeners show up very early as well.

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How will the city respond to this?

  1. Ban all rap music concerts from City Hall Plaza
  2. Shut down concerts if water bottles are being thrown
  3. Schedule urban music concerts for 10 am on Sunday
  4. Massive police presence for next event
  5. Nothing
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The city and the MBTA will deny anything happened. The PR flaks will be earning their money in the morning. They have no choice because they know black leaders will demand to know why white kids are able to cause mayhem and beat people senseless on the T while black families were herded like cattle off Carson Beach and their kids were arrested and labeled gangbangers and thugs

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It was a bunch of young, mostly suburban kids acting stupid on a Saturday night. Any "thug" who is about Mac Miller is clearly no thug. Just some posturing. Thats all that happened fight wise. I got on the train at DTX on Sat at like 10pm... no riots, no robbery... but thats cuz there is no Braintree train on the Orange line

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Someone mentioned this same thing happened last year when city hall hosted a Wiz Khalifa concert? I don't remember it happening (perhaps due to a "lack" of reporting) but wouldn't be surprised either.

But don't worry, Menino kept us all safe during Game 7 by keeping us out of the Garden. Don't blame me, I voted for Flaherty.

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I went to the Cake concert a few years ago that was held on the side of City Hall for free. At the end of the concert a few guys started fighting (nothing like this episode, hell, the cops didn't even come to the fight I saw). All I could think was, "Really? At a Cake concert??".

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in today's Globe: Mac Miller satisfies festival’s rowdy, restless crowd. The reviewer, Martín Caballero, didn't see any of what was reported here at UHub, other than the throwing of some "empty plastic bottles".

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Good thing everybody was drunk out of their minds, or somebody might've gotten hurt.

He also probably didn't join in any of the pregaming:

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looks like it's around Chinatown station. It goes on for four minutes, and I have to wonder whether either the videotaper or any of the other spectators thought to call the cops? I don't see any in evidence anywhere on the tape.

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I saw probably about 100 fights at least during my 3.5 years in high school (i just graduated). Both in school, but mostly right after school. People would videotape them, just like these, and no one would call the cops. People getting knocked out cold and left in a bleeding mess on the street and no one cared enough to call anyone. Course, there was obviously less people than in these events, so whoever called would end up being the next victim.

sad world.

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because its content violated YouTube's terms of service"

(Probably this one: "Graphic or gratuitous violence is not allowed. If your video shows someone being physically hurt, attacked, or humiliated, don't post it.")

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And demonstrating some wrestling moves in an impromptu fight pit, basically.

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That's totally ridiculous. Youtube wants to be the dominant video hosting site and the site of record when it comes to video. This is news and they won't host it? Would youtube not host the Rodney King video?

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Watching scenes like that the only thing I can think of....are firehoses. Lots of 'em.

So a young African-American woman calls a young, large white woman the n-word? I'm just completely confused by this. Talk about a word losing its meaning.

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Finally, we get to see what happens when the cultures of Sullivan Square and Jackson Square collide. Good times. Love the incredibly intoxicated dude trying to remain upright (and often failing) while restoring peace.

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The Globe reviewer also minimized the crowd size as "several thousand", while the videos show what appear to be, to quote Dave Wedge, "tens of thousands". And the "after party" fracas on the streets and the MBTA?

I still say the mayor's goons squelched the story.

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Still barely any mention in the papers. The Globe only mentions a "sometimes rowdy crowd" and the Herald has a very short story on it.

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There was a big hispanic concert like a week or two ago. Thousands of people. Same place. Same, saturday night. Not a single fight. Why do we accuse hispanic people of being criminals?

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I've seen a number of concerts with primarily black or Latino audiences at Government center and they've never had problems like this.

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Yeah, thats exactly my point. Stereotypes are rediculous aren't they?

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I'm only 13, 4"11, 90 pounds & I went to this concert. Biggest mistake of my life, yeah I almost died. Me & my two others friends got in the legit front, & trust me when about 40,000 people are all trying to get to the front at once, its not fun. We had to leave the concert early because my friends & I couldn't breath with all these tall people, smokeing above us. So when we left other people were fighting & I accually got hit in the head with a beer bottle so I ended up going to the emergency room. But the fights that were going on, I wanted to cry they were so scarey. About 15 guys asked me if I wanted to buy some weed, or if I had any extra paper. Yeah, not so fun. So to all you kids out there liike me, never go to thhis.

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