So, Clinton, Romney in Mass.

By adamg on Tue, 02/05/2008 - 10:34pm

Hillary carries MA, so DiMasi up, Kennedy, Kerry and Patrick down (but Obama taking Boston).

Town by town results.

What's it mean, if anything?

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Well, it seems like the

By Anon-o-mus
Tue, 02/05/2008 - 11:07pm

Well, it seems like the Massachusetts electorate doesn't need to turn to the editorial pages or their elected officials to determine who gets their vote. Good deal.

Agents of influence

By MT
Tue, 02/05/2008 - 11:10pm

The Herald, the Globe, Senators Kennedy and Kerry, and Governor Patrick appear to have quite a following in Illinois.

Parsing the county results

By Anonymous
Wed, 02/06/2008 - 12:02am

I went looking to see what Massholes (and I count myself among them) decided to vote for the war candidate, Hillary.

City votes (Somerville, Brookline, Boston, etc) went to Obama.

Suburban soccer moms (Franklin, Worcester, Natick, etc) went to Hillary.

Exit polls suggested that Dem women came out to vote almost 3-to-2 compared to Dem men.

At least we split delegates here...if she carried all of the MA delegates, I'd be ill. It's already making my head spin to see the "me woman, vote for woman" popularity-esque results in such an educated state as Mass. I hate the general populace.

Suburban soccer moms?

By Anonymous
Wed, 02/06/2008 - 2:37pm

Have you been to Worcester?

The long reach of Tom Menino

By adamg
Wed, 02/06/2008 - 12:17am

Seth Gitell credits his former boss, Tom Menino, for helping to deliver Massachusetts to Clinton:

National pundits, in a tizzy over Ted Kennedy's endorsement of Barack Obama, overlooked the support of McGovern, whose organization in central Massachusetts is so strong. Even further overlooked was Mayor Menino, whom I've always said, has the strongest political organization east of New York City.

Maybe so, but Obama actually won in Boston, 53-44. As Anonymous notes above, Clinton won the state thanks to the far-suburban and exurban vote (except for the Rte. 2 belt from Boston to 495); in addition to Boston, the inner suburbs basically all tilted Obamawards (map). Does Menino have some secret suburban machine we don't know about?

To be fair...

By BStu
Wed, 02/06/2008 - 9:47am

Winning the state may have always been predicated on doing 40% in Boston. The worry may have been that Obama would trounce Clinton in Boston giving him a much better standing statewide. I'm not really seeing the numbers to justify that being a deciding factor in any way (unless they think Menino convinced 150,000 voters to stay home), but given the profiles of their respective voters, you'd have thought Obama would have done better than 53% in Boston.

I say this, by the way, as an Obama voter. Though Edwards was my first choice.

If I hear any more about Hillary gettign the woman vote...

By t.s.
Wed, 02/06/2008 - 12:40am

...I swear I'm going to throw-up. If I hear any more women gushing Hillary rhetoric and saying they voted/are going to vote for her, and then have to hear the press drone on and on about it I'm going to scream. It makes me want to scream, "I'm a white woman and I'm too old to be part of the 'youth vote' and I VOTED FOR OBAMA! I was never on the fence, he's the man." I wish these analysts would just shut-up, and maybe people would actually vote what they want and not what they're being brainwashed into doing.

Hillary's okay,

By SwirlyGrrl
Wed, 02/06/2008 - 8:48am

but I voted for Obama because I'm sick of Hillary's supporters. I'm sorry, but the cliquish and spoiled "mean girls", with-us-or-with-teh-enemy crap has got to stop.

I don't like Obama's cozying up to the homophobes, but at least his campaign was telling me why I might want vote for him, rather than insinuating that I was some sort of traitor for evaluating both candidates on their actual merits.

rather than insinuating that

By Anon-o-mus
Wed, 02/06/2008 - 9:22am

rather than insinuating that I was some sort of traitor for evaluating both candidates on their actual merits

Interesting. Yet, you say you voted for Obama based on your dislike of the Clinton supporters.

Edwards was Choice #1

By SwirlyGrrl
Wed, 02/06/2008 - 9:30am

I downloaded and read all of the position papers, and did google searches on Clinton and Obama when Edwards dropped out.

I actually liked some of Clinton's and most of Obama's policy statements. I prefer Obama's style and felt it gives him a bigger chance of actually accomplishing his objectives.

Clinton's supporters were the final straw. All they could offer was dubious claims of Clinton's superior experience (boardroom yes, political no way, unless you count First Lady years, which I don't) and all of the patronizing and standard-issue entitled authoritarian political machine b.s. that I so totally and completely despise about local politics around here. Why do I want that to be national?

What?

By Ron Newman
Wed, 02/06/2008 - 9:58am

don't like Obama's cozying up to the homophobes

Not sure what you are referring to. Can you please elaborate?

Sure

By SwirlyGrrl
Wed, 02/06/2008 - 10:10am

Pam Spaulding at Pam's House Blend and Pandagon has been noting a number of promoters of "ex-gay" nonsense and folks with sketchy credibility among Obama's public supporters. This particular posting rounds up a few of the noted alliance problems, but the roll call is ongoing.

Had Clinton articulated any clear message of tolerance, that might have tipped it for me. As usual, she wanted to be popular and pretend popular was right rather than be right amok popularity.

cliquish / spoiled "mean girls" ???

By Anonymous
Wed, 02/06/2008 - 11:02am

This isn't high school and we're not voting for prom queen.

Yep, not High School

By SwirlyGrrl
Wed, 02/06/2008 - 11:08am

Exactly. That's why I don't like being told that my vote is owned and not mine to dispense.

Somerville results

By Ron Newman
Wed, 02/06/2008 - 1:20am

(unofficially) are here.

Obama beat Clinton, while McCain beat Romney. Ron Paul got more votes than Mike Huckabee. John Edwards still got a few hundred votes. One withdrawn candidate (Tom Tancredo) got 0 votes, and another (Duncan Hunter) got 1 vote.

Ron Paul took Boylston, MA

By mediaseth
Wed, 02/06/2008 - 8:56am

What's up with that? What's going on in Boylston?

Boylston, MA no longer a Ron Paul town

By Ron Newman
Wed, 02/06/2008 - 10:04am

The [url=http://www.boston.com/news/politics/2008/primaries... latest figures and map on Boston.com[/url] no longer show Ron Paul winning the town of Boylston. They now show him with only 2% of the vote there. Wonder what went wrong with their tabulations.

They still show Salem with Huckabee 49%, McCain 40%, Romney 4%, Paul 1%. No way can that be correct.

Salem has been updated

By Anonymous
Wed, 02/06/2008 - 11:27am

It now shows Romney 49%, McCain 40%, Huckabee 4% and Paul 4%.

Tomorrow's correction should be interesting to read

By Ron Newman
Wed, 02/06/2008 - 11:31am

assuming that the Globe prints one.

Are these results correct?

By Ron Newman
Wed, 02/06/2008 - 6:52am

The [url=http://www.boston.com/news/politics/2008/primaries...'s town-by-town results[/url] show Huckabee carrying Salem, and Ron Paul winning Boylston. These results are so anomalous that I have to wonder if they are correct.

Anti-Witch Sentiment?

By SwirlyGrrl
Wed, 02/06/2008 - 9:22am

God doesn't like witches ... and we know Huckabbubble will take care of all of them when his New America Under God takes hold ...

Seriously, though, looks like Salem has a history of problems with voting machines, on top of the now famous "dubious accounting" in the school system.

How Obama could have won Massachusetts

By adamg
Wed, 02/06/2008 - 8:28am

Gene Koo volunteered for Obama and describes the view from inside the Alamo, i.e., a Massachusetts campaign that, despite all the big-name endorsements, sent most of its workers down to Connecticut.

After talking to quite a few other volunteers, it became clear that we were not the only ones who were ready and able to help scale the operations but were never tapped. Cambridge, of course, turns out to be a hotbed of activists who have run various campaigns over the years. Rather than fan out to other parts of the state, all of us were set loose on each other in the last few days.

However, he adds he is also alarmed that the Patrick endorsement meant so little - what happened to all the people who put him into office?

What happened

By Gareth
Wed, 02/06/2008 - 9:08am

Is we're waiting for him to finish his sentence.

Together we can...

We can what? Tomatoes?

I think the majority of people who voted Deval are waiting for him to do something of note besides buy new drapes and argue for casinos. I'm not certain the thought that Barack might be another Deval is a plus for him.

Yes we can...

ugh.

By tape
Wed, 02/06/2008 - 8:32am

The fact that a majority of voters in this state voted for either Clinton or, even more unfathomably, the very man who forced us to buy health insurance we can't afford amongst other idiocies, is likely to remove most of my remaining faith in the human race.

What It Means...

By Suldog
Wed, 02/06/2008 - 9:00am

... is that the media told us over and over it was a two-horse race, on both sides, and over 90% of the people who came out voted for one of those two choices, on both sides. Whoop.

(Disclaimer: I voted for Ron Paul, so I am a disgruntled anti-social malcontent with plans to move to Boylston.)

Suldog
http://jimsuldog.blogspot.com

The Utes

By massmarrier
Wed, 02/06/2008 - 9:01am

Sort of apropos...my sons returned from Boston Latin School and Academy reporting Obama sweeps in both.

Anybody know where I can see

By Anonymous
Wed, 02/06/2008 - 10:32am

Anybody know where I can see more detailed results? As in, what my polling place voted for?

Check your local town or city's website

By Ron Newman
Wed, 02/06/2008 - 11:27am

maybe in a day or two, if it's not up there yet.

Did no one who reads Univ. Hub vote Republican?

By S.
Wed, 02/06/2008 - 10:46am

I'm a lifelong Democrat, but just curious to hear from the Republican voters.

Libertarian, Registered Unenrolled, Who Voted Republican

By Suldog
Wed, 02/06/2008 - 11:04am

As noted in various places on the board - this thread, as a matter of fact - I voted for Ron Paul.

Suldog
http://jimsuldog.blogspot.com

Forget Republicans

By adamg
Wed, 02/06/2008 - 11:06am

Who voted in the Working Family Party (or whatever it's called) primary?

I Would Have

By Michael
Wed, 02/06/2008 - 11:10am

But we had to pick all the kids up from work.

I Did

By Charlie
Wed, 02/06/2008 - 12:20pm

I'm a lifelong Republican, and I voted for McCain, who won neither my precinct nor my town nor the Commonwealth. Oddly, I have never managed to vote for a winning candidate in a Republican presidential preference primary.

Former Edwards supporter who

By MG
Wed, 02/06/2008 - 10:58am

Former Edwards supporter who volunteered for Hilary after he dropped out. At the end of the day, it came down to a better health plan and her focus on children, who I see most impacted by poverty.

I like Obama, liked his supporters (liked all the supporters). But Deval has been such a disappointment WRT the environment and he seemed like more more vague happy "he's a nice guy" that reminded me of George Bush.

And I was glad to vote for a woman. And so was my mom, sister and daughter.

Globe blames Associated Press for Salem results error

By Ron Newman
Wed, 02/06/2008 - 12:23pm

I filled out Boston.com's [url=http://www.boston.com/help/feedback/]feedback form[/url], pointing out the likely errors in Boylston's and Salem's Republican results. A few hours later, I got this reply:

"Thank you for writing to Boston.com. Incorrect Salem figures appeared at [url=http://www.boston.com/news/politics/2008/primaries... Boston.com URL][/url] earlier due to an Associated Press reporting error, which has been corrected. "

AP

By Suldog
Wed, 02/06/2008 - 1:07pm

Yeah, I found out a long time ago that most presidential vote totals, abstractions, etc., are taken from AP, rather than gathered by the local media.

When I was chair of the Libertarian Party in MA, I used to always ask the TV, radio, and press outlets to consider reporting more than just the D or R totals, and that was the reply I always got; that they picked up the AP reports and, since the AP never fed them more than the D and R, they didn't have access, blah, blah, blah.

I'm sure it makes some sort of economic sense, but that always stuck in my craw when they'd start bleating about how we (the electorate) should care more and be more participatory.

Suldog
http://jimsuldog.blogspot.com

So, Clinton, Romney in Mass.

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