It's official: We suck. Boston Police report seven cases of post-blizzard parking-space vandalism across the city this week.
In most of the cases, tires were slashed. In one case, a window was smashed. In another, a plastic sawhorse was heaved at a car door. Two examples:
About 10:49AM, on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, officers from District D-14 (Brighton) responded to a radio call involving vandalism on Litchfield Street. On arrival, the victim told officers someone slashed one of her tires. Officers observed the victim’s car to be parked legally in a shoveled out spot in the area of 10 Litchfield Street. Victim stated that there were items placed in the empty parking space in an effort to “save” the spot which the victim says she moved prior to parking.
About 9:30AM, on February 12, 2013, officers from District A-7 (East Boston) responded to 163 Byron Street for a vandalism report. On arrival, the victim told officers that on Monday, February 11, 2013, he moved a chair from a parking space and then parked his car in the empty spot. When he returned to his car the next day, he discovered two flat/slashed tires on his car.
Incidents were reported in Dorchester, East Boston, Brighton, Charlestown and Roxbury, police say.
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Bullshit?
By anon
Fri, 02/15/2013 - 9:08am
Because you expect others to show a minimum of respect and civility by not taking a parking spot you shoveled out?
And are there no 'townies' in the town you live in? Is it a bad thing to be a 'local'? Locals are inferior to you? We are supposed to all be transients with no particular culture, accent, place we call home? This makes the 'townies' parochial, while you are a cosmopolitan transient and suburbanite?
Yes, Bullshit
By anon
Fri, 02/15/2013 - 11:47am
It's bullshit for you to think, because you shoveled out a space and hoarded it with a chair, while I shoveled out a space and shared it with the rest of my neighbors, that I should spend $60-$75 to use a garage for 3 days instead of pulling into "your" space.
In my experience
By anon
Fri, 02/15/2013 - 1:14pm
it's people who don't shovel, or do a bare minimum, who are the first to take a spot their neighbor shoveled out.
If everybody shovels, than the problem ceases to exist. It's just another day in the neighborhood.
We have many people in this country who want something for nothing. Who have a fine tuned sense of entitlement, and I'm not referring to the person who shoveled out the spot.
If everyone shovels
By anon
Fri, 02/15/2013 - 2:04pm
No it doesn't, and that's the whole point: you still have 5,000 cars trying to park in 1,200 spaces.
Yes it does
By anon
Fri, 02/15/2013 - 4:17pm
If everyone shovels, then all the spaces are cleared, and it returns to the way it is the other 9 months of the year. There's no rationale for saving spots, at least for the 99.9% of us that don't try putting savers out in the summer. No it does not solve the problem of more cars than spaces, but that's a whole other issue.
No, all the spaces are not
By Finn
Fri, 02/15/2013 - 11:45pm
No, all the spaces are not cleared - unless the city orders all cars off the street and plows both sides to the curb. People are only going to dig out their cars, not everywhere a car could park on that street. You presume that before the storm that every street will have no space that is not occupied by a car, everyone will dig out their cars, and then everyone will interchange the spaces with each other. You forget that if only half the spaces are occupied by cars on any given street before the storm, after the storm parking is limited to the occupied half of spaces after the cars are dug out - in other words, after the storm, ALL AVAILABLE PARKING IS CUT BY HALF. If more than half of the dug out spaces are claimed by more cars that were originally parked before the storm, someone is not going to be able to park - unless he or she digs out a space that is not presently there.
might take a month though
By my space dammit!
Fri, 02/15/2013 - 12:50pm
The problem with that is it could be a couple of weeks or a month before the next street cleaning day on your street. I'd rather see a notification go to everyone in the neighborhood via mailman as soon as possible after a big storm with a curb clearing schedule. Odd side one day and even the next, move your car or it will get a ticket larger than it would have cost you to pay a couple of kids to dig it out and move it.
Yes, it would add expense to the snow removal budget but if limited to the bigger storms or after multiple smaller ones I don't know that it would be that bad.
Have a truck hauling one of these bad boys around and send the melt into the storm sewer system and have winter parking like a summer day a few days after the storm. http://www.snowdragonmelters.com/home.asp?ID=2
Use a pen, not a knife
By anon
Fri, 02/15/2013 - 8:34am
I have found a note works fine.
Inevitably, the people who shovel the least in my neighborhood are the ones who grab spots others have shoveled out. They do the bare minimum to get their car out, snow tossed all over the street and sidewalk. One group of guys around the corner used to direct their weekend guests to the clean spots on our street until I told them to knock it off. Plenty of room in front of their house to clear a space for their guests, but they were too lazy. Not to mention the sidewalk that mostly was left covered in snow.
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By South Boston Yu...
Fri, 02/15/2013 - 10:08am
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Saving Spaces Does Have Some Benefit
By R Hookup
Fri, 02/15/2013 - 8:39am
I'm no fan of space saving, but I do see one area where it could be helpful. On my narrow, one way street, one side is off limits for parking during a snow emergency, meaning that side ends up with really big snow piles. Residents will then try to park there, but be 4-5 feet from the curb, creating problems for drivers.
There is no incentive for residents to put in the big effort to dig out one of these blocks of snow. They won't be able to "possess" it and not enough other residents will dig out these spots for there to be a reasonable distribution of spots to others. In a bad winter, the unparkable spots could stay that way for 1-2 months.
This week is a good situation where these blocks should be dug out... the warmer weather has made the snow softer than usual, but I bet few will bother to dig out, because there isn't a personal gain to be made unless your car sits all week. No need spending an hour or more digging out a big spot if someone can reap the fruits of your labor when you leave for work the next morning. Instead, spend 5 minutes scraping the pile a little to let you park closer and hope you don't get hit or ticketed.
Space Saver
By anon
Fri, 02/15/2013 - 9:46am
I know it's 48 hours after, but the city plows did an awful job on our street, piling impossible to move snow in what would be available parking spaces. If we don't save the space I dug out, I end up either parking on a pile of snow that I mash down with 4 wheel drive, or someplace unsafe, or in someone else's spot. It doesn't work with the amount of snow still on the ground to deal with the overflow parking. That and we are a popular street during the day for people to park for free and use the Red Line. Those assholes are the biggest offenders.
Econ
By South Boston Yu...
Fri, 02/15/2013 - 10:06am
There are micro-economic factors that favor 48 hour space saving; namely, it gives citizens an incentive to clear snow from city streets that cannot be easily accessed by plows (streets that are parkable during snow emergency; in other words, spot savable spots).
If you drive through Southie this afternoon, after the space saving spots have been removed and most people are at work, you will find neatly shoveled, cleared streets.
Now, after you drive through Southie, head up West Broadway across the street the bridge to the South End via Berkeley St, and you will find a much different scene. Since parking spots can not be saved, residents have no incentive to spend the time to shovel out non-emergency spots, so the street is kind of a mess, and you need 4x wheel drive to get in and out of a lot spots.
The 48 hour spot saving is actually a great rule, and I'd imagine most of the complainers in this thread either:
1) Complain about anything that happens in Boston
2) Don't actually live in Boston, and/or don't park on the street.
1) I love this city and would
By anon
Fri, 02/15/2013 - 10:34am
1) I love this city and would live here over anywhere else.
2) I park on the street in the South End. Sometimes I can park near my apartment. Sometimes I have to park several streets away from my apartment.
Sweat equity doesn't entitle you to parking on a city-owned street. This is city life - limited parking all year long is an issue for residents, visitors, and businesses. There are few driveways and parking lots. I have to show my resident parking sticker, otherewise I will get ticketed -- because I don't own the city curb where my car is parked. It's really very simple. If people want a guaranteed parking spot after a snow storm, they should buy or rent one.
I see two big logistical
By anon
Fri, 02/15/2013 - 11:00am
I see two big logistical problems with the space-saving/tire slashing phenomenon:
1. I leave for work, come home, someone has taken my spot (whether or not I left a trash can there). so, what do I do? my spot is gone. I have to take someone else's spot. Where do these tire-slashing people park when they come home and find their spot taken?? do they then get their tires slashed?? When does the cycle end?
2. Person 1 moves a space saver to park in someone else's spot. Person 1 leaves, and person 2 comes along and parks in the spot, not knowing that that person 1 moved a space saver. Person 2 gets tires slashed. Something similar happened to me and I had a crazy lady screaming at me "you moved my fucking barrel!!!!", um no lady I didn't.
interested
By slowman4130
Fri, 02/15/2013 - 11:02am
I wonder how many people complaining about spot savers:
A) have a car
B) park on the street
C) grew up here
with regards to C, this seems a lot like people who move in next to railroad tracks/a bar/etc and then complain about the noise and/or try to change it. It's basically a tradition, the majority of people seem to get along with it just fine, seems like those offended should either go along with it or go somewhere else.
Ahh, yes, "if you don't like
By Megan
Fri, 02/15/2013 - 11:26am
Ahh, yes, "if you don't like it you can move". What a simpleton.
Hat trick
By anon
Fri, 02/15/2013 - 11:32am
All three. I have a car, I park on the street, and I grew up here.
In my youth, it was also a "tradition" to throw stones a the black kids who dared venture into white neighborhoods. Most people seem to have given that one up, too, thanks in part to those who refused to either go along or go somewhere else.
Parking space saving is hoarding. Hoarding is pretty severely antisocial.
Sure
By anon²
Fri, 02/15/2013 - 11:39am
A) Yup, all thought I rarely use it during the week. There is no need unless you need to leave the city.
B) Yup. And I'll park blocks away if needed, although there's plenty of places in Southie to park that the yuppies think is "too dangerous". Never had a problem.
C) Got me there, only been here 10 years. But you got me wrong, I'm all for expanding hours, uses, and places. I think the “city that always sleep syndrome” is going to kill Boston in 10-20 years when the boomers and their money leave after making sure the luxury apartment city was as quiet as their old burbs. Just about the only thing I don't like seeing is another bank with 9-430 hours taking up a long held, local storefront.
Space saving was fine when passive aggressive notes were the worst thing going around, and everybody wasn’t gunning to be the lowest common denominator. It’s exploded even since I’ve been here (and mumbled decree) as far as I can tell, and it’s got nasty with property damage and threats between neighbors. Sorry, but it’s got to end when people start commiting crimes against their community.
"Space saving was fine when
By avjudge
Fri, 02/15/2013 - 12:30pm
"Space saving was fine when passive aggressive notes were the worst thing going around" -- That must have been a while ago. I remember my officemate at MIT telling about tires (not hers) in her Cambridge neighborhood slashed after a snowstorm back in the mid- to late '80s.
(I've been back in Somerville 7 years now, have a driveway, & try to stay out of this other than letting a neighbor share my driveway during/after storms - but I did get a bit upset when someone took my barrel on trash day, with my trash inside it, to use to save their space in front of my house! It was funny though. Did they really think that would work?)
I have to agree with this
By Bearwalker
Fri, 02/15/2013 - 11:52am
I have to agree with this poster, especially option C. My impression from many posters on UHUB is that they are transplants and are shocked to find what has been going on for decades and decades in the city. This space saving thing is not new and although I take no sides on the issue, I have a feeling those screaming loudest are newest to the city-not that it makes it right or wrong, just an observation. If you want to live in a very old, congested city, where street layouts were born centuries ago, and have a car - well I think any of us could've told you this was a winter tradition.
Also old neighborhood traditions that you may find illegal and wonder why the mayor has done nothing about it, well that's part of Boston - in particular this issue since this has been a way of life for many their entire lives. Menino understands this, I believe.
Thank you!
By Brian Riccio
Fri, 02/15/2013 - 12:41pm
For that nail on the head comment
Way of life for their entire lives
By Swirlygrrl at Work
Fri, 02/15/2013 - 1:17pm
Some of those "entire lives" are shorter than many "transplants" have been around ... but don't let that reality bang you in the arse. Some even have driving age kids that were born here too.
Now "I OWN THIS CITY BECAUSE I WAS BORN HERE" people, please answer this honestly:
IF the city said they would rent spots to residents that were numbered and would be for your exclusive use for the entire year AND had a way for you to have cars ticketed/towed for infringing on your leased spot, how much would you pay for the privilege for having an actual spot that was ACTUALLY yours to save?
Swirly your a touchy
By Bearwalker
Fri, 02/15/2013 - 3:42pm
Swirly your a touchy transplant, I get that. But please, don't shoot the messenger - chill.
So ...
By SwirlyGrrl
Fri, 02/15/2013 - 10:43pm
Do you have an answer to my question.
How much would you pay to the city every year to ensure that "your" space is yours?
Swirly, I have to ask....
By Brian Riccio
Fri, 02/15/2013 - 8:34pm
You never log onto your account from work. Is logging on something your superiors might frown upon?
cookies
By anon²
Fri, 02/15/2013 - 8:57pm
no cookies for Swirly?
Or maybe her superiors might frown upon
By Brian Riccio
Fri, 02/15/2013 - 9:03pm
opining on company time?
Cookie problem, perhaps
By SwirlyGrrl
Fri, 02/15/2013 - 11:00pm
More likely a very dated version of IE that I use at work and am not allowed to upgrade on my own because they don't let us touch anything. We'll see when IT fixes it, as it is now causing me difficulty accessing journals and other important work stuff.
I work 50-60 hour weeks on salary, 80-90 or more if I'm on the road, and I'm a grownup and treated as such, so mucking about on the web a bit at work a bit isn't an issue.
Superiors? Plural? Um, no.
Loving it from the 'burbs
By polarbare
Fri, 02/15/2013 - 11:09am
I love all of the UHub socialists who want everything to be free and equal for everyone, until it comes to a parking space they spent 10 minutes shoveling out. All of a sudden "tradition" becomes overly important and vigilante justice (including vandalism and violence) are justified.
You can probably hear me laughing at the hypocrisy all the way from MetroWest.
Socialist? LOL
By anon
Fri, 02/15/2013 - 2:29pm
Asking people to show some civility and respect towards anyone who has shoveled out a space in front of their home/apartment is 'Socialist'? I think you have it ass-backwards,boss.
What civility?
By polarbare
Fri, 02/15/2013 - 3:31pm
Look at the responses from pro-space savers. It's our tradition and if you take my hard earned (read as 10 minutes of my time shoveling) space then I might/will vandalize your car/beat you up/slash your tires/break your windows/etc.
The right thing to do is to shovel out your car and then realize that you park in a public spot and that EVERYONE has a right to park there that is equal to yours. If you don't like it, don't move your car.
Someone will get shot over this one day and it'll be a "gun issue" and not a "culture" issue. Some of you will twist logic well past its extremes to try to rationalize the fact that you don't get any special treatment for shoveling out your car..
BOO friggin HOO.
10?
By Marsha Scorsese
Fri, 02/15/2013 - 11:19pm
10 minutes? Have you ever shoveled?
A few points:1) If anything,
By Finn
Fri, 02/15/2013 - 12:16pm
A few points:
1) If anything, this illustrates the need for more investment in public and bike transportation, to the point where more people (like myself) can leave their car in place under the snow until it melts and go car-free if they feel they can make it work.
2) I am doubtful that space-saving occurs nowhere else in the U.S. except for Boston's neighborhoods. I can easily see this happening in NY or Chicago. How do those cities handle large amounts of snow? Do they plow to the curb and ban all parking on all streets, including side streets, while they do it? Do they have an absolute 'no-space saver' policy?
3) Vandalism is never justified - what if the person who took your shoveled space lost their shoveled space to someone else and felt they had no choice? One car coming late to the scene would cause a domino effect, then before you know it, everyone's tires are slashed! (I would think if you were to do anything, you could write a note or if you're more daring, double-park the offender in if the street were to allow it)
4) If it is totally impractical for the city to remove all snow from all residential streets in order to return the street to its unblocked condition, it is equally impractical (not to mention sanctimonious) to expect some people to not to have a problem giving up their shoveled space (though again, nothing justifies vandalism as redress for this grievance) . While I understand it is still a public street, it is only human nature to feel cheated if one puts a good deal of physical work into an accommodation only to lose it to someone who may not have - it goes against every person's innate sense of fair play.
It is not unreasonable to me that many would feel that their private sweat put into returning a portion of the public street (which is the city's responsibility to keep clear) to an accessible condition entitles them to some implied recompense from the city, namely parking rights for that section cleared, for at least as long as the rest of the street continues to be in an inaccessible condition for parking. So while the law may be on the side of the space-usurper, that does not necessarily make the taking of the space morally right.
5) I would very much like to hear from the 'no space saver crowd' how they would deal with the hypothetical case of a person who lives and parks his/her car in South Boston, digs out and saves a space on a street that has had the number of spaces effectively halved by the storm, commutes to work in an area not served by public transportation (let's say Maynard), works late and drives back to South Boston find his/her space taken, and no other spaces within walking distance available. What would you recommend? I suppose that person could drive downtown, pay an exorbitant amount to park in garage overnight, wait 20 minutes for a bus in the cold and get dropped off 5 blocks away from their home and repeat the process in the morning, and possibly for days on end. Or they can save their space.
6) I say, if you must leave a space saver, make it a shovel with a note attached reading 'I have already cleaned this space for my car. Please feel free to use this shovel to make your own space.'
5)
By anon²
Fri, 02/15/2013 - 2:14pm
there is always free road parking in Southie. It's what makes this all the more amusing and pointless.
I've moved my car right after snow storms and have always found parking, at all times of day.
Is it sometimes more than a few blocks away? Yes. Is it always outside my house? No.
But make no mistake, you can always find a spot. 1st street is always a good place to start. This is just a bunch of entitlement from a bunch of a-holes
I don't believe I said
By Finn
Sat, 02/16/2013 - 12:07am
I don't believe I said parking isn't free in Southie, but there is always parking? In the evening? After a snowstorm like this? I am afraid I haven't had your luck, when I lived near Telegraph Hill. I don't expect a space right outside my house, but I don't expect to traverse the entire neighborhood either. And your loose use of invective undermines your 'entitlement' charge. However, am glad things are working out for you.
if you took my space.......
By bostnkid
Fri, 02/15/2013 - 1:15pm
i usually would only use the space i shoveled out for a day or two until snow started melting. if someone took my spot shortly after the storm? my friends and i would get our shovels back out and bury the car and i mean really bury it. now YOU can shovel too.snow karma.
Nice
By anon
Fri, 02/15/2013 - 1:53pm
What an asshole way to treat the ER nurse who worked a double shift during the storm, drove home exhausted, and parked in a legal public space.
i knew my neighbors
By bostnkid
Fri, 02/15/2013 - 2:43pm
if it was an er nurse working a double shift tehn i probaly knew her and the spot was all hers. if it was some douchebag neu kid with a tricked toyota? he got buried. it used to be fun to watch these idiots trying to shovel out without shovels.
er nurse? do you think i care? i work pretty fuckin hard myself skippy. idiot.
Doesn't matter how hard you work
By anon
Fri, 02/15/2013 - 2:56pm
You seem incapable of grasping the very simple concept that a street parking space does not belong to you in any way, shape, or form.
It's called CIVILITY and community
By anon
Sat, 02/16/2013 - 10:46am
You share congested streets, neighborhoods, city with fellow neighbors, and out of civility [and showing a little class] you respect their spot that they shoveled our, while apparently you didn't bother. Maybe you aren't properly socialized, grew up a spoiled kid or isolated somehow and never learned to get along with others. This seems to be getting more and more a problem in America.
YES, you can legally say this thing or do this thing, but of course other factors come into play. If everybody behaved in a sociopathic manner, did whatever they wanted, trolled because it's legally their right to troll, our world would be far worse than it is now.
Ok, so you judge people based
By anon
Mon, 02/18/2013 - 3:35pm
Ok, so you judge people based on your own prejudicial stereotypes when deciding to commit antisocial and illegal acts against them. You sound like a wonderful person.
i am a wonderful person, thanks!
By bostnkid
Tue, 02/19/2013 - 8:03am
i grew up in the city. we saved spaces. if i shoveled it was my space for a few days. i didnt invent the process. if you took my space then instead of slashing your tires (which i saw a lot of older, more responsible people doing) i would get my shovel and bury your car in. now you have to shovel too. i didnt hurt your car and i didnt base it on any prejudicial stereotypes. i di it because you took my spot. boston rules. i think i mentioned that i would not do this to little old ladies with canes or er nurses pulling double shifts, lol. i would do it to one of the countless assholes, that lived in my neighborhood in 10 month shifts, and acted like it was there personal playground. antisocial? maybe. illegal? i dont think so.
4 easy steps
By pierce
Fri, 02/15/2013 - 1:40pm
1. place a few undercover cops in strategic locations in the neighborhoods listed above from 7am - 9am
2. watch someone pull their car out, set a space saver, and drive away
3. when they get to the end of the block hand them a $100 ticket
4. tip the herald so they can report it
do this a couple times and word will get around.
1 easy step
By BlackKat
Fri, 02/15/2013 - 4:26pm
1. Put napalm in all gasoline. No more cars.
Napalm is a gasoline thickener
By SwirlyGrrl
Sat, 02/16/2013 - 11:16am
All that would do would turn the tank to jelly.
If you are saying blow up all the cars, though, I'm not sure that would work too well because nobody would bother cleaning up the mess.
And if they DID clean up the mess...
By Sarcastic Sam
Sat, 02/16/2013 - 10:13pm
...some local hero would chase the truck down and demand they throw all the debris back into the street.
We are not alone
By adamg
Fri, 02/15/2013 - 2:02pm
Chicago Dibs.
???
By Marsha Scorsese
Fri, 02/15/2013 - 3:21pm
But all the UHub commenters led me to believe only WT Townies from Southie did this.
Incitement
By anon
Fri, 02/15/2013 - 3:48pm
Southie baiting, Southie bashing. Everyday. From day one. Boorish. I wonder what the late Len Zakheem say about this stereotypical nonsense being trotted out all the time? Broad brushes and all that. Sad really.
Q.E.D.
By Finn
Sat, 02/16/2013 - 12:09am
Q.E.D.
Referendum question
By anon
Sat, 02/16/2013 - 8:06am
I think the space saving debate should be put on the ballot in the next election. You would see that it would pass with flying colors. there are a few outspoken "tough guys" who claim to be against this practice, but in reality are "closeted" space savers themselves. On my block 99.9% of the residents (Yuppies also!) put out space savers.
Put it to a vote and end this stupid debate.
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