Because I apparently had my camera with me today, I took this shot in front of St. Cecilia's, a church on Belvidere Street in the Back Bay. There were about a dozen Boston Department of Public Works workers shoveling and plowing snow from the sidewalks and street around the church.
I stopped to watch. I asked one of the drivers what he was doing and he replied, "Plowing out the church." I asked him if the city did it for all churches, to which he replied, "I guess the ones that have pull?"
Further down the street, another DPW truck was blocking the road off. I asked him the same question, does the city do this for all churches? His response, "Yes, sir; all of them."
That's a lot of churches. I assume the city must then also do it for all synagogues and mosques?
If you're cynical like I am, you assume someone of significance either died or is getting married and called in a favor ...
Or, perhaps this is much ado about nothing?
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Public Works
By Jack
Thu, 03/21/2013 - 3:47pm
if I was with the DPW crew I would have told you to mind your own business. Do you stand in front of the Roxbury mosque with your camera?
Heaven forbid a member of the
By Scratchie
Thu, 03/21/2013 - 4:09pm
Heaven forbid a member of the public should want to know what public employees are doing.
Mind your own business?
By anon
Thu, 03/21/2013 - 4:10pm
What part of PUBLIC are you NOT getting here?
A citizen has not only a right but a duty to ask questions about public funds being used for private facility maintenance!
You need to go live in Russia if your attitude is otherwise.
How patronizing and
By anon
Thu, 03/21/2013 - 4:56pm
How patronizing and condescending can you get? A citizen doesn't have a "right" to impudently harass public employees while they are working. Do you think a citizen has a "right" to go up to any public employee on the street or in city hall and ask them for an explanation of what they are doing. What utter arrogance.
Yes, obviously there's a right to ask questions
By anon
Thu, 03/21/2013 - 9:46pm
What exactly constitutes the "harassment" of which you speak?
Of course a citizen, standing in a place to which the public has a right of access, has the right to ask anybody else within earshot any question he or she pleases. Whether or not the other person answers is kind of up to him or her, or perhaps subject to an agreement between that person and his or her employer (for all I know, maybe Tastee-Freez, or UPS, or Federal Express requires their drivers to give their names and employee numbers if requested by the public. Maybe DPW has some requirement that its employees answer questions.
But in any case, what exactly is wrong, illegal, or immoral about the person asking the question?
Impudence
By anon
Fri, 03/22/2013 - 2:49am
This is how I imagined it in my head:
"Oh, hey, guys, what are you doing?"
"Plowing out the church."
"Oh. You do that for all the churches?"
"I guess the ones that have pull?"
"Alright, buddy, take 'er easy."
I'm pretty sure it wasn't as bad as you seem to think.
Brought to you by the
By anon
Fri, 03/22/2013 - 6:52am
Brought to you by the high-maintenance ego citizens insisting it's perfectly acceptable to interrupt an active crime scene.
I wouldn't stress to much
By anon
Thu, 03/21/2013 - 3:48pm
I wouldn't stress to much about it... pretty sure city workers are on salaries anyway. They may as well do something instead of having trucks/cars turned on and seating in them.
Gas is free too.
By anon
Thu, 03/21/2013 - 4:11pm
Gas is free too.
Might as well do something....
By Sarcastic Sam
Thu, 03/21/2013 - 6:03pm
....such as repair the thousands of potholes that need attention this time of year.
Too soon
By Marsha Scorsese
Fri, 03/22/2013 - 8:06am
I agree that potholes need fixing, but if the city is still shoveling snow it's too soon to fix them
I highly doubt that
By bosguy22
Fri, 03/22/2013 - 9:21am
I'm pretty sure they're hourly workers....especially if they plow. That's why the city gets hammered w/overtime whenever there's a storm. Glad to see some private citizens get free plowing services, where do I sign up?
Let's ask Will L.!
By Brian Riccio
Thu, 03/21/2013 - 3:57pm
Q: Will, does the city remove the snow from mosques and synagogues?
A: Well, as we all know, the Irish still run this town. The synagogue's lawyers told them to make sure no one slips in front of their place and the mosques have plenty of sand to throw around,amirite?
Yeah, Catholics really have a
By NotWhitey
Thu, 03/21/2013 - 4:12pm
Yeah, Catholics really have a stranglehold on Boston in 2013. And just yesterday, I saw a gang of Irish Catholic toughs beating up a Jewish boy on Blue Hill ave.
You've won my Internets of the Day Award
By CraigInDaVille
Thu, 03/21/2013 - 4:20pm
n/t
duh
By anon
Thu, 03/21/2013 - 4:35pm
Fun Fact: The Mayor of Boston, Thomas Menino, is Italian.
Ruuuuun, it's Catholics!
By Nancy
Thu, 03/21/2013 - 4:20pm
As a Protestant, I wonder if they only help the Catholics or if they clear out Protestant churches? What about Unitarians? Won't someone think of the Unitarians?
ASC soutions
By massmarrier
Thu, 03/21/2013 - 4:36pm
At the Arlington Street Church, the UUs would first reason with the snow. If it didn't go away, they'd pour coffee on it.
They don't do all the churches...
By Rory Razon
Thu, 03/21/2013 - 4:47pm
I can say with 100% certainty the city does not do all the churches in Boston. I am a deacon at Old South and we have very hard working sextons that take care of our sidewalks.
Because people who work at church are all 90?
By anon
Thu, 03/21/2013 - 4:48pm
Seriously, have you ever seen an employee of a Catholic church who was able-bodied enough to lift a snow-shovel out of a broom closet? The lil' ol' lady who writes out Mass cards in her 1930s cursive sure isn't going to be shoveling.
And it's not like the
By Scratchie
Thu, 03/21/2013 - 10:32pm
And it's not like the Catholic Church could possibly HIRE anyone to clear away snow.
Hey, watch out, you're
By anon
Fri, 03/22/2013 - 1:58pm
Hey, watch out, you're talking about my mother now! She'd just as soon take a shovel to your head as write you a mass card in her Palmer Method!
On the other hand, I have to
By anon
Thu, 03/21/2013 - 5:08pm
On the other hand, I have to walk past quite a few churches/places of worship to get to work. Given that the sidewalks are public use, as long as somebody shovels them out, I'm happy.
Public use, but not public obligation
By anon
Thu, 03/21/2013 - 9:56pm
I'm not happy if my tax dollars are being spent to shovel a sidewalk that someone else is legally obligated to shovel.
There are only three ways a sidewalk gets shoveled:
Option #3 has so much overhead and inefficiency in it, I really don't want the city doing that job.
I don't believe churches pay taxes so....
By anon
Fri, 03/22/2013 - 6:24am
I don't think they should have the city providing anyone to shovel their sidewalk...can't have it both ways!
Actually public use, public ownership...
By anon
Fri, 03/22/2013 - 2:42pm
...but City ordinance passing the duty onto the adjoining property owner.
The sidewalks are owned by the city, so there is probably only so much of that obligation that they be kept in safe condition that they can pass on. Sure, they can issue fines, but not much else.
The duty is always ultimately on the property owner
By anon
Fri, 03/22/2013 - 3:17pm
One way or the other, the property owner is going to be paying for snow removal. Either the property owner takes care of it, or the property owner pays taxes to the city, who in turn hires people to take care of it.
We, the citizens, acting through our elected government, chose the first option over the second. In no way did "the city" (umm.. that would be us) pass the duty to anyone.
They don't shovel my church
By anon
Fri, 03/22/2013 - 11:24am
I am a pastor of a church that has several locations around the city. We have always been responsible for our own shoveling. Perhaps this is more about the location of that particular church.
Try taking a picture of the cops doing their job
By anon
Fri, 03/22/2013 - 5:46pm
They would bust open your head and arrest you for not minding your business. Your not such a tough guy now are you?
Welcome to Boston, friend
By adamg
Fri, 03/22/2013 - 6:35pm
Let me introduce you to Mr. Glik.
Kevin White
By Charles Bahne
Fri, 03/22/2013 - 6:37pm
Wasn't this the church where Kevin White's funeral was held?
Think he still has enough power from where he is now, to get this job done by city workers?
Issue resolved ...
By JohnAKeith
Tue, 03/26/2013 - 8:44am
I received a nice phone call in return to my inquiry to the office of Councilor Bill Linehan (D-2). They told me that it was not standard operating procedure to plow out all churches, mosques, temples, etc. If asked as a favor, the city's DPW will go to remove large piles of snow, but never from private property - only from out front or where the public passes through.
This wasn't about whether "churches" get special treatment over other houses of worship. It was whether privately-owned property owners can get special treatment through connections with city hall.
The street on which St Cecilia's is located is narrow. Plus, there's a lot of activity across from it due to the construction of the new Berklee building. On the heels of several large storms, no doubt there was a lot of snow piled up that was making passing through very difficult.
See? Nothing to get your skirts in a bunch about. Someone (me) saw something interesting, questioned it, got an answer.
There's a lot that goes on around us that no one thinks to ask about - and that's too bad.
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