Mothers and others march for peace
By adamg on Mon, 05/13/2013 - 12:03am
Greg Cook photographed the annual Mother's Day Walk for Peace down Dorchester Avenue.
The event benefits the Louis D. Brown Peace Institute, which provides support to survivors of homicide victims as well being involved in education and policy advocacy efforts.
Charlies Rosenberg also took photos of the large march:
Katrina Norman reports she took her own mom on the march:
Also see:
Raw video: Mother's Day Walk for Peace.
Last photo copyright Katrina Norman. Posted in the Universal Hub pool on Flickr.
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There has been extreme levels of violence and violent crime
in majority black neighborhoods since I was a kid in the 70s and 80s. I grew up in them. Much was simply unreported by the media of the day. The internet, phones with camera, and our information revolution has radically changed things. Outrageous videos posted on youtube and worldwidehiphop is not new.
Why has this been tolerated for 40 odd years? No more vigils. Enough already. But the lame status quo will continue because the political, academic,business, and fourth estate elite and their children are mostly unaffected by it.
It will go on unchanged -
It will go on unchanged - people in MA love being bleeding heart PC, but I guarantee 99% of them don't hear gunshots and police cars at night. Those affected by it tend to be a little more realistic, but they get labeled as racist for pointing out the inconvenient truth.
You are a racist
Sorry if that is an "inconvenient truth" but you are.
There are places where white people have these same problems. And Asians. Go west, young stupid and learn that the color of the underclasses is less important than their level of isolation and deprivation!
Oh, but a Herald reader never leaves Boston. Right. Perhaps a trip to a library to learn who the "stupid black people" of old were - hint: Whitey Bulger, names ending in vowels, Detroit booze running jews, etc.
Oh, but that requires reading. Critical thinking, too.
"Detroit booze running jews"
I though this article pertained to the 21st century not the early 20th.
Sir/Madam
You're responding to my original post.
1) I don't read the Herald except for an occasional article. Don't read the Globe, either for an occasional article.
2) I've traveled FAR AND WIDE, and I have lived out west.
3) I NEVER called anyone 'stupid black people'.
4) No one claims there's no such thing as white, Asian, Hispanic, American Indian, whatever, criminals, psychos,thugs and gangstas. It's just it's worse in black neighborhoods than any other. Not only that, but the type of violence that occurs in black majority inner city neighborhoods tends to be quite random, affecting many totally innocent people. Not to excuse their bad behavior, but the organized crime gangs that you referenced generally did not roam the streets looking for some poor man,woman or child to assault, rob, pistol whip, stab, rape, for the chump change they have in their pockets or their phone. They dealt in loan sharking, gambling, prostitution, drugs, etc. but if you choose to have nothing to do with them, they generally left innocent people alone. If you mixed with them, you took your chances. The only really innocent people hurt by the organized crime syndicates you mentioned were store owners, bar owners, club owners,etc. who were often shook down for protection money. 99% of the other people hurt by these gangs had previous interaction with them, either borrowing money or drugs, or whatever. There's the difference. In inner city black majority neighborhoods you can be just a guy or woman going to or from work on the bus, train and get jumped, shot, and killed for whatever you have in your pockets, bag, and phone.
Let's stick to Boston because, well, we're in Boston. The most dangerous neighborhoods are black majority neighborhoods and housing projects with majority or large minority of black tenants. This is where most of the extreme violence, including gun related violence, occurs. Most of the murder perps in Boston are young black males. Most of the victims are young black males. And this is replicated in cities all across the U.S. Boston is tame compared to Philly, Baltimore, D.C., Atlanta, St. Louis, Detroit, Chicago, Miami, Memphis, Oakland.
All the armchair progressive
All the armchair progressive intellectuals here calling for a pseudo-communist system, where wealth is taken from the evil rich old white men and given to the deprived minorities, seems to be forgetting a funny little detail about communism. Didn't old man Marx say "those who don't work don't eat," or something along those lines? Soviets eventually got lazy because equality encouraged mediocrity, guess we might as well bypass that pesky work thing altogether and jump straight to the lazy stage :)
Where do you get all that straw in Savin Hill
Because that's an awfully big strawman you keep building.
Not much straw out here, had
Not much straw out here, had to borrow some from all the PRWORA haters in Washington :)
...and there it is, didn't
...and there it is, didn't take long at all. There were plenty of criminals back in the days, and they were treated as such. Nowadays, anyone who dares to say blacks in US commit crime at a higher rate than any other race (with FBI stats to back it up, no less) is labeled a racist, just as we all witnessed here. Instead of admitting there's a problem and dealing with it in a way that would benefit everyone it's swept under the rug, and anyone who dares to point it out is crucified by the armchair progressive intellectuals.
Have a nice day now, and try not to drown in all those white guilt tears. Also, take a walk down one of blue hill ave side streets alone after dark and let us know how it goes. I bet your heart really bleeds for the poor and deprived, but only if they're isolated from you. That blood will dry up pretty quickly after you're parted with your iPhone, you find your car window smashed, you see drug dealers hanging out on your porch or your kid steps on a needle in your local park.
Oh, back in the day...
When crime was "organized" and oh no--no drugs or crime in OUR neighborhood (or suicides or violence)--that's only those crazy black people that do that stuff...please. This good old days BS is pretty tired. Poor people commit more crimes and suffer more because of crimes--it was true 100 years ago and it's true now.
No it's not,Sally
The type of widespread, random [emphasize random] violent street crime, or things like drive by shooting, shooting at funerals for gang members, shooting during mother's day festivities, shootings during baby showers, cab drivers and food delivery guys getting ambushed and murdered for free food and $18 bucks+loose change, all these things, Sally, were not commonplace prior to I'd say the 1970s. The type and LEVEL of violent street crime we have come to expect today was not the case 50 plus years ago.
The lame status quo continues
The lame status quo continues because enough people in the afflicted neighborhoods haven't said enough is enough and done something about it beyond symbolic rallies and blaming everyone outside the neighborhood. There is way too much condoning and tolerance of antisocial and destructive behavior.
Agreed
But I mentioned in my previous post, which you're responding to, various institutions that basically control our society. They have the power and influence to do much more than is being done, to stop the epidemic of violence in inner city majority black neighborhoods. They are IMO [aside from the people raising these psychopaths] primarily responsible for, at a minimum, enabling an unacceptable status quo. All the social workers and services in the world will barely put a dent into this problem. Marches and vigils have no effect on this problem; the psychopaths who commit the violence just laugh at them. Our regular police and legal system are also incapable of appropriately and effectively dealing with this situation. And one of the greatest tragedies is it's been allowed to fester for many years, decades, and generations. We as a country and society need to develop a backbone and stop being so flaky and soft. A line in the sand should have been drawn a long time ago. Enough is enough. No more BS.
Specifics?
So the city gov't, police, etc... are primarily responsible for the fact that people don't raise their kids with any shot of being decent human beings? Just a total pass for mothers having babies w/o any family support structure, etc... and especially for fathers who are non-participants in their kid's lives?
Ok, what are the 'powers that be' not doing? It's not an easy problem to solve as tons of money is already spent in the schools in Boston and lots of assistance is given in the form of subsidized housing, vouchers, etc... What do you want done differently?
One way to start
Crack down on white people buying drugs in neighborhoods of where black people live.
Start putting forth transit system initiatives and enticements to locate jobs in these neighborhoods.
Really?
Start cracking down on people BUYING drugs? What about people SELLING drugs, should we just pat them on the back and pretend they don't exist?
Oh man
Crackers driving to Roxbury to buy dope is why young black men kill each other and neglect their kids. Got it.
Let's hear the plan!
Ignoring the absolutely jaw-dropping stupidity of saying "people in the afflicted neighborhoods haven't said 'enough is enough'" in a thread about a community organizing a march to say enough is enough... let's talk about community organization to end violence. How exactly are we going to end violence through the actions of residents in the affected neighborhoods? I want specifics. Specific action items for parents with little or no money, political agency, or secondary education, who want to try to turn the tides against gang violence and the drug money that's causing it to remain a plague on the community.
Are we organizing early interventions in the lives of young, at-risk men? Offering courses for parents to learn how to minimize the risk of poor outcomes? Expanding the social safety net to guarantee a living wage so parents aren't stuck working 60 hours a week to pay for a shithole 3 bedroom on Blue Hill Ave? Issuing flak vests and sending them out on patrols overnight? Just tell me your plan, anon.
(While composing your answer, please keep in mind that a response of any variety of "they just need to take responsibility for pulling themselves up by their bootstraps" will result in immediate disqualification, and will cause everyone who has so much as glanced at a sociology, criminology, or political-economy primer to shake their head in sad judgment at your militant ignorance.)
Kudos to Erik G for hitting
Kudos to Erik G for hitting the nail right on the head.
I'll just add that there are many stand-up people who live in the affected neighborhoods and heroically labor to their world and neighborhood a better place.
Imagine if half the energy spent on trendy, feel good measures (...fill in your feel good cause....) went into addressing the horrid, but too routine, violence that affects our neighbors?
First things first,Erik
Nothing can be done until a safe environment [reasonably safe] is created. Security is job #1. Everything else is almost impossible to accomplish minus security.
1) I loath to say it, but some type of martial law needs to be declared in certain neighborhoods. There is no other solution. Our regular legal system and police [ as they currently operate] are not capable of accomplishing this, the situation in many inner city neighborhoods across the U.S. has festered for so long and is now so bad.
2) A massive effort must be made to round up all outstanding warrants that involve violence. Our parole system must also be reformed, there's tremendous corruption. ILLEGAL firearms must be removed from the streets and from those who possess them. If that means roadblocks in certain neighborhoods, and warrantless search and seizures, so be it. The situation is too far gone to do anything else. NOTICE I said ILLEGAL, not legal, firearms.
People talk about the huge amount of $ spent on social services, housing, healthcare, education for the poor or in some cases alleged poor. They are right, it is a huge amount. And yet we still have generations of serious violent crime problems and those living in poverty. SOMETHING IS OBVIOUSLY WRONG. I would say a completely fresh look at the big picture needs to take place, at the very least. But many people and institutions, public and private, have big vested financial interests in maintaining the dysfunctional status quo. What's required is politicians, responsible people in the private sector, and community activist to get a backbone. I don't think this is going to happen.
Scrapping the "no snitching"
Scrapping the "no snitching" code would be a good start - 95% of the people living there are law-abiding citizens, everyone knows who the other 5% are, there's enough information to have them locked up for 10 consecutive lifetimes, yet no one talks to the police. And even if one of them does get locked up after a multiple-year, multi-million dollar investigation that could be done in a week if someone cooperated, they're usually out in a year or two.
Don't bother giving me that "cops are racist" BS, they won't act like your second grade teacher when they're treated like US marines in Fallujah. Treat THEM as friends instead of enemies, and they'll treat YOU as friends.
For one thing the parents
For one thing the parents could stop buying drugs, stop allowing their kids to use drugs and be members of gangs, start talking to the police and stop looking the other way. There are plenty of other poor ethnic neighborhoods in the city where the youth aren't murdering and otherwise preying on each other on a regular basis.
Start Snitching
There is actually very little city government can do to solve this problem in the short term other that catch criminals after the fact. The problems in these neighborhoods are largely economic and driven by cyclic poverty. This cycle can be broken in the long term through eduction, but that is not going to help us right now. Right now, what people in these neighborhoods can do to effectuate change is to mobilize as they did in this weekend's march. However, instead of mobilizing simply to protest crime, which serves a good political goal, they could organize basic neighborhood watches in cooperation with their local police precinct. These things actually work. Moreover, the parents and families of people involved in gang violence or illegal activities need to acknowledge the problem and take action. I grew up in one of the neighborhoods that is always in the news and as others have mentioned here, the problem is often simply denial by parents of what their kids are doing. People often think that these kids shooting eachother have a parent at home who is too strung out on crack to care when, in fact, you will find that their parents are working two jobs and going to church on Sunday. The problem is that they either don't have time to find out what is going on with their kids, or they put their head in the sand. That is why it is important for the community to step up. Organize a community watch twice a week, inform the parents of these kids what is going on and keep the police involved. Kids wo really want to get out of the gang life will welcome the attention - try to help them find something else to do with their time. The kids that are too far gone can be identified and you can work with the police to remove them.
erik g
Just out of curiosity, where do you live? If you have kids, do they attend BPS? There's a huge difference between an idealist from Dorchester or Roxbury and an idealist from Wellesley or some other lily-white suburb.
Would his living elswhere...
Make his comment less sensible?
On the other hand, I appreciate your attempt to gather enough information to properly deliver an ad hominem attack. Give yourself some credit, that puts you way beyond the typical Herald reader.
Not a Wellesley Warrior
I'm on the Roxbury-JP line, and my kids aren't school-age yet. I walk or drive through the neighborhoods in question most days of the week. Not a Wellesley Warrior :-)
My hat's off to you then - I
My hat's off to you then - I might not agree with your idealism, but I respect your opinion.
You live in JP
The Amory St area and Humboldt Ave are two entirely different areas. Nice try though, you must feel very divers living in your $400k apartment next to Stony Brook Station. Its the equivalent of a BC High kid bragging about going to school in "da hood".
Border of da hood
It's different from living in some ritzy suburb though, as border neighborhoods do get their fair share of criminal element spillover from 'da hood.' He gets to deal with it and still believes in his ideals, at least he's not being a hypocrite like most armchair intellectuals around here.
Says Anon...
'Nuff said.
More money is not the answer
An average recent college grad is lucky to get $40K a year, meaning he gets to take homme a whopping $2200 of that a month after taxes, insurance and all other nifty little paycheck munchers. Someone on public assistance gets an equivalent of $1,500 in section 8 alone (housing here is expensive, y'all know;) add in everything else and you're easily looking at close to $3K a month, an equivalent of $50K+ pre-tax salary. Financially, quite a few of the poor on public assistance are actually better off than a recent college grad, so why do we not see college grads engaging in all sorts of anti-social behavior? Could it be because they're too busy working so they can pay for roof over their head and food on their table? Put everyone able-bodied to work (many neighborhoods would make a landfill look squeaky-clean, and it doesn't take much skill to pick up trash or paint over graffiti) and you'll see most of the problems plaguing those neighborhoods vanish overnight. People tend to be more respectful to things acquired through hard work, and they're less likely to trash what they just cleaned.
Form of Terrorism
Yet the federal government loves to pour money into cities for riot gear and hut-hut-hut-hut exercises that do NOTHING, as well as fund a 20 cops to 1 occupier ratio and protect Starbucks windows and follow "anarchists" around because they might be doing "pre-crime".
Meanwhile, gangbangers terrorize our inner cities and, since the fed isn't funding any james bond toys or hut hut hut hut hut hut hut, the police departments continue to guard those Starbuck's windows from "anarchists who will destroy us - all three of them" while gangbangers shut down the central artery at rush hour and disrupt the city in ways that no occupier could dream of!
Massively misplaced priorities as a nation? Yup. Bonus points: had the cops been going after the neighborhood gangbangers, they might have even noticed some lazy-ass loser of a boxer buying fireworks. Wow!
They are working on some tech solutions
Shot spotter was one of them. Here's an article on some other tech they're trying to deploy:
http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2012/09/02/boston...
It sounds like the Feds aren't funding this though and it's a valid criticism they seem to enjoy wasting a ton of cash building barely functional border fences and gigantic mock backpacks.
ITS A START BUT
There are only a small, small number of individuals that are holding certain neighborhoods hostage with violence, often times its misguided youth. Until the neighborhoods stand up to these individuals on a daily basis nothing will change. This is a great start but now it’s time to take it to another level, maybe even evicting some of these constant repeat offenders out of the city could help if all else fails
haliburton
We give contracts to companies to build up countries after we destroy them in war, they should give some contacts to fix these hoods,
Last time the government
Last time the government tried that we would up with housing projects and monstrosities like the current West End.
It is too bad what happened to the West End.
The West End could've and should've been re-developed, instead of being bulldozed out of existence in the name of progressivism, displacing heaven knows how many people, and replacing the housing with not-so-attractive high-rises. What happened to the West End really did help set the stage for so many other eruptions that occurred around the city.