Reading Jemele Hill on espn.com is like reading Mein Kampf

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This is the same woman who

By Miss M
Mon, 06/16/2008 - 10:14am

This is the same woman who declared that Bridget Moynahan got knocked-up to "trap" Tom Brady. Classy broad, that Jemele Hill.

bridget moynahan??

By bostnkid
Mon, 06/16/2008 - 11:53am

she didnt? i know she didnt trap him, but didnt she try?

Although none of us will

By Miss M
Mon, 06/16/2008 - 12:15pm

Although none of us will know what Bridget Moynahan was up to (if anything-mistakes happen), it should be noted that getting pregnant does not automatically equal trying to "trap" a man.

And I feel it's perfectly appropriate to take offense to the statement, "It's difficult to ignore just how financially rewarding this is for [Moynahan]," as though a successful professional woman needed Tom Brady's sperm to remain financially solvent. The whole column was that tasteless: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=hi...

Maybe he was trapping her?

By SwirlyGrrl
Mon, 06/16/2008 - 12:50pm

It takes to to tango, you know - and women are NOT default responsible for birth control!!! If he didn't want to be a daddy, there are ways to remove that possibility from the field of play.

IMHO, they ended up with a surprise and are negotiating the consequences like mature adults who don't give a crap what tabloid jokes say about it. Good for them.

The common myth: women trap men with a pregnancy. The reality: it very often goes the other way, which makes sense if you consider that children create financial dependency. If you look at studies of women in counseling for and trying to escape domestic violence situations, men destroying birth control pills and other contraceptives and taking other measures to ensure pregnancy occurs in order to trap a woman into an abusive relationship is frighteningly common.

Grow up

By anon
Mon, 06/16/2008 - 1:23pm

please don't namelessly quote studies to support your vague, feminist rant. Your no better then the "journalists" who saturate news tv with speculative, baseless remarks.

Your Point?

By SwirlyGrrl
Mon, 06/16/2008 - 1:55pm

If you don't like reality, deny it. Anonymously, if possible. Can't go round owning our little "rants" that basic reality is a conspiracy by feminists, now can we.

How about a Boston-based clinical cohort study for you?

Twenty-six percent of these girls reported that their partners were actively trying to get them pregnant by manipulating condom use, sabotaging birth control use and making explicit statements about wanting them to become pregnant.

It doesn't take a true brain trust to figure out that a child is a far more effective means of trapping a female partner into a relationship than a male partner. The safety of children is why many women can't just leave an abusive relationship.

the point is

By i'll get a log ...
Mon, 06/16/2008 - 2:18pm

I choose to question reality and the validness of quoting studies.

Anyone is capable of looking up and using study to validate their own points with statistics, rather then conclusions. They choose to ignoring the true conclusions of the study or at least find the right study that supports their view. I don't know all the facts nor will I pretend to but too often these studies conducted by experts are quoted and used by pundits and message board warriors like ourselves to quickly (and hopefully firmly) establish fact that cannot be argued or toyed with because its in a study from "generic university of prestige" and therefore cannot be wrong. So the arguments is diverted elsewhere, a great tactic we've all witnessed on tv news.

I just offended as a male for being generalized because 26% of a very small sampling of the population said so.

mmmmmm, my grammar was

By anon
Mon, 06/16/2008 - 2:20pm

mmmmmm, my grammar was clearly not checked, apologizes

mmmm, you have missed the point

By pom
Mon, 06/16/2008 - 2:42pm

the point of citing that study was to contradict a bigger, older, better-rooted generalization/cliche. it's a shame you were too offended there in the middle to carry the thread of the argument to its conclusion.

man, lately the point around here seems to be in the pissing. when are all these post-first-think-never anons going to take their balls and go home?

right

By anon
Mon, 06/16/2008 - 2:54pm

so we get to debunk old cliches with new cliches? we never actually do our own thinking, instead we endlessly quote and borrow from elsewhere?

you make a good point.

By pom
Mon, 06/16/2008 - 3:11pm

science is just a big waste of time. next time I need to know something, I'm asking you, anon, for a gut-check. oh, wait, that would constitute borrowing, perhaps with a side of quoting, wouldn't it? so I guess I'm on my own: what my dad likes to call a random stratified sampling of one. And, God help me, purified of any outside influence. Thinking completely for myself! Debunking old cliches with, um, nothing!

Some days, I learn so much on here.

sigh

By blom
Mon, 06/16/2008 - 3:32pm

i'm throwing the towel in, for this has sunk to the level of flame war

Generalized?

By SwirlyGrrl
Mon, 06/16/2008 - 2:33pm

Why do you take offense that some guys are jerks?

I know some women are jerks too. I don't have to identify with them.

The problem is that one jerk that I don't identify with, the original reporter who claimed that Bridget MUST be trying to trap Tom, was perpetuating a stereotype about gold digging women that is undermined by research on abusive relationships.

How pointing out that 1)men have access to birth control and 2)there is solid data that trapping women is frequently part of an abusive relationship is a "feminist rant", I can't fathom.

Unless any statement that defies a hackneyed woman-demeaning mythology and implies that men and women have equal reproductive responsibility and human rights is a feminist rant ...

but there it is, that sutdy

By anon
Mon, 06/16/2008 - 2:56pm

but there it is, that sutdy isn't solid data, its a small sampling that you said yourself doesn't represent males as whole yet your able to claim as a frequent occurance.

Only Responsible for Yourself

By Good Therapy
Fri, 08/22/2008 - 8:46pm

We could go back and forth all day on who's responsible for birth control and who's at fault. It boils down to one thing, each person is responsible for themselves. If a woman does not want a child she should make sure she is unable to conceive, either by pills, surgery, condoms or whatever she brings. If a man does not want children he should be responsible either by surgery, or condoms he brings. I'd rather double glove than nine months later welcome an unplanned on child.

Hill of beans?

By kstier
Mon, 06/16/2008 - 10:27am

I liked Hill's column but anytime you trot out "The Führer" the excrement is going to hit the oscillating device. Outside of that little Nazi nugget I think any fan could identify with what she was saying. I still hate the Laker's long after they had any relevance in these parts and during the Piston's series a couple of weeks ago I still wanted to mace Bill Laimbeer directly in his eyeballs.

Let's face it, this is a town that after two WS wins will still yell "Yankees Suck" at a church pancake breakfast or sport the always classy "Jeter Swallows" shirt. It's a rivalry and she's a sportswriter, it goes with the territory.

Really?

By LSC
Mon, 06/16/2008 - 12:00pm

So its okay to generalize an entire city as racist and throw a couple examples of past racism (no matter how long ago they happened) as valid reasons to call a sports team (of which most players are not from the actual town, BTW)on the same level as Hitler? If Ms. Hill were white and had taken a shot like this, Jesse Jackson and Rev Al would be calling for her to be fired. Nice

The best part of this is that she labled the Celtics "mainly white" because of the team make up from the 80s, another tremendously ignorant and racist comment on her part. I guess she forgort that this racist team sported the first all black starting five in NBA history, and had the fist black head coach in the league. Another solid reporting job by the sports leader...

Mainly white?

By Ron Newman
Mon, 06/16/2008 - 12:25pm

Unless the color register on both my TV and my computer monitor is way off, I count two white players on the [url=http://www.nba.com/celtics/roster/]Celtics 15-man roster[/url]. Both of whom are bench players rather than starters.

And check the Lakers roster

By jdj
Mon, 06/16/2008 - 12:49pm

Six, count 'em six white guys on their roster. A Lakers jersey might as well come with a white hood.

Jemele Hill is yet another in a long line of ESPN employees who has nothing interesting to say, so they resort to saying something outrageous, loudly.

Good Lord

By anon
Mon, 06/16/2008 - 1:07pm

"A Lakers jersey might as well come with a white hood."

I don't even know where to begin.