By adamg on Fri., 1/16/2015 - 9:49 am

Proposed new entrance to the Garden from developer's BRA filing.
The Herald reports Star Market has agreed to build a mega-market in the $1-billion mixed-use development planned for that vacant space in front of the Garden and the train station.
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$7.8 million for star?
By anon
Fri, 01/16/2015 - 10:03am
I wish it was Russos or Market Basket, but at least its something. That being said, was it really necessary to give Star $7.8 million to open there? If the city has that much money to lose a better priced supermarket like Market Basket would be better. I wonder if they offered that money to all supermarkets or just Star.
Different business model
By SwirlyGrrl
Fri, 01/16/2015 - 10:19am
Market Basket likes to actually own their stores.
Sure, the city paying your
By anon
Fri, 01/16/2015 - 10:57am
Sure, the city paying your rent is a great business model, but is that available to every supermarket or just Star?
Roche Brothers
By Waquiot
Fri, 01/16/2015 - 12:55pm
Coming soon to Summer Street at Washington (or vice versa)
Extending the reach of the
By Rob Not Verified
Fri, 01/16/2015 - 2:21pm
Extending the reach of the eternal Roche Bros v. Shaws/Star Market struggle in West Roxbury to downtown
Not much of a struggle there
By adamg
Fri, 01/16/2015 - 2:22pm
Unless you're thinking of the intellectual struggle involved in answering the question of how that particular Shaw's stays in business (and I say that as somebody who actually shops there).
It's really for the developer
By Stevil
Fri, 01/16/2015 - 12:57pm
This is how they hide gifts to developers. The tenant makes the application and promises jobs, benefits and more. So instead of the developer lowering the rent by a buck or two per sf, the taxpayer picks up the tab. The developer has to sign off by saying they need it or the project can't be done (which nobody in their right mind believes - these usually amount to about 1% of the project - but the affidavit takes the BRA and City Council off the hook). Perhaps not surprisingly, nobody ever investigates these applications for fraud, which almost all of them are at least in the lay sense of the word. Granted, it's a good lawyer's job to convince you the sky is green not blue when necessary and that fraud is legit under some circumstances.
Under Walsh there have been two such deals (I think both unanimously approved by the City Council) - one for the Rosenthal air rights project - about $5 million and another quite recently for LogMeIn in Southie - about $2.5 million. In return the developers and their execs generally contribute the max to political campaigns and for mayors they donate to any number of causes. Menino hid this masterfully during his rule - apparently there is a charity that the mayor controls and whenever there was some pressing community need - this charity magically had funds to support it which always made the mayor look like a hero. This only came to light in the last couple of years. Not sure the current status of that fund.
It can also come in the form of a white knight - for example, if the Enchanted Village needs money for saving, some annual fireworks or the First Night parade are at risk - you can usually count on the developers and their minions to step up. There's never an exact quid pro quo - but there's a reason that when a favored developer says he wants to put up a building downtown the BRA's kneejerk response is not "what's the zoning", it's "How big do you want it to be"?
Good/bad, legal/illegal - you be the judge - but it's the political grease that makes the real estate machine in this town work.
They may have to modify that,
By kvn
Fri, 01/16/2015 - 6:26pm
They may have to modify that, they are in a new mode.
Carry out to where ?
By AMCoffee
Fri, 01/16/2015 - 10:08am
Says the store will "emphasize hot prepared foods" but don't try bringing them into the Garden above for events...
Of course it would be good for commuters on the trains going home in the evening
Been there lately?
By FredQuimby
Fri, 01/16/2015 - 10:30am
Two huge apartment buildings right across the street. A new, even larger one going up closer to Haymarket. Not to mention Charles River Park. Penty of residents in the area.
And the North End. A few
By North Ender
Fri, 01/16/2015 - 10:51am
And the North End. A few people live there.
Yup
By bosguy22
Fri, 01/16/2015 - 10:58am
Probably a thousand apartments will be within a 3 min walk, not to mention the entire north end who will shop there.
oh yay
By cybah
Fri, 01/16/2015 - 10:10am
Finally. North Enders and Charlestown people rejoice!
Hooray
By Lunchbox
Fri, 01/16/2015 - 10:42am
Breaking Hell Foods' stranglehold on the area. Great to have a real grocery store option.
YUP!
By dingleberry
Fri, 01/16/2015 - 2:12pm
YUP!
I've been using instacart to avoid Whole Paycheck in Charlestown.
Oh waaah.
By Sally
Sat, 01/17/2015 - 6:59am
You obviously never lived there when the shitty market (I can't even remember--was it a Star? A Shaws?) was the only option. Honestly...I'm so tired of people whining about Whole Foods. If you want to move to a neighborhood where your only options are Market Basket and some tired-ass bodegas that smell like cat pee then feel free.
Great addition to the area
By FredQuimby
Fri, 01/16/2015 - 10:17am
Maybe it will be the catalyst that starts improving Causeway street. Its still a dump and the benefits of the elimination of the elevated green line have not been realized yet. The street is too wide and needs a median. Maybe some trees down the middle would help improve it. .
Would you settle for a bike lane down the middle?
By aldos
Fri, 01/16/2015 - 10:41am
Because that's what you're gonna get.
Im sure there is plenty room for one.
By FredQuimby
Fri, 01/16/2015 - 10:59am
Right now it has 3 lanes in each direction. It has a small median as it is. But its hardly distinguishable from the roadway. Then right around where the Penalty Box (Now Causeway Tavern or something) used to be, one lane splits off if heading towards Staniford St, reducing 3 lanes into two, running the opposite direction. Its just a weird layout. The roadway also dips and rises in places for no apparent reason.
The street is filthy and usually the homeless are gathered around 711. The whole area is ripe for a makeover.
Medians just encourage
By anon
Fri, 01/16/2015 - 10:41am
Medians just encourage drivers to driver faster and make streets less pedestrian friendly. Use the extra space to widen the sidewalks and add cycle tracks. Kendall has done similar things to some of the too wide roads there and had great success. It is a much better area than it used to be.
It already has one
By FredQuimby
Fri, 01/16/2015 - 11:00am
But its small and barely noticeable except when a group is crammed onto it trying to cross. Traffic barely moves as it is.
Most of the time traffic
By anon
Fri, 01/16/2015 - 11:16am
Most of the time traffic moves briskly through the area, its only congested during rush hour (a couple hours a day) and before and after some games. The majority of the time cars speed through and pedestrians get stuck on the median or have to risk their lives and hope a driver obeys the law and yields in the crosswalk (which takes awhile). There are highways all around (93 is a few blocks away as is Storrow and Rt. 1). This road should be more oriented to the people who live there and those that walk and take the T to the area. Continuing to have it be a a six lane road is one of the major reasons the area is so crappy, its unpleasant to walk in the area.
seems people dont know about this
By anon
Fri, 01/16/2015 - 1:31pm
http://connecthistoric-boston.org/about/
Where have medians been
By anon
Fri, 01/16/2015 - 1:11pm
Where have medians been removed in Kendall? I only know of streets that had unneeded travel lanes converted into bike lanes and parking.
Cycle tracks encourage cyclists to ride where it's the most dangerous. I'd prefer on-street bike lanes or extra-wide right lanes.
Uh
By SwirlyGrrl
Fri, 01/16/2015 - 3:37pm
Wut?
Can't tell if you are a Forrester devotee or just unaware of the accumulating evidence on the safety of cycletracks.
Needs Something
By BlackKat
Fri, 01/16/2015 - 11:00am
Causeway Street does have a median. It's just that it is a barren, lifeless one.
Replacing the T station and putting in a couple of grocery stores [one still to be built] helps. But removing the elevated line alone did not do as much as one would expect. It went from a shadow filled toilet to a bleak and sunbaked desert. No happy medium.
I have not been down there in a bit... have they done anything about the burnt out McDonald's site and the junkies?
McDonalds site still empty
By FredQuimby
Fri, 01/16/2015 - 11:02am
Which doesn't help.
Too bad the landlord
By =(
Fri, 01/16/2015 - 1:04pm
Too bad the landlord destroyed the ornate stucco about 5 years ago. It could have been a nice rehab. Supposedly McDonalds is still paying rent there and that's why no other tenant has moved in.
where was
By cybah
Fri, 01/16/2015 - 11:07am
where was there a McD?
123 Causeway Street
By Ron Newman
Fri, 01/16/2015 - 11:09am
now a vacant and boarded-up building.
two grocery stores?
By Ron Newman
Fri, 01/16/2015 - 11:09am
where will the other one be?
Don't worry, the junkies are
By dd808
Fri, 01/16/2015 - 11:14am
Don't worry, the junkies are still there, along with the scalpers and the copyright violation tee-shirt hawkers.
The junkies will be there so
By dingleberry
Fri, 01/16/2015 - 2:15pm
The junkies will be there so long as the meth clinic on Canal is. Always enjoy going to the DD on Canal and listening to how the junkies plan to scam CVS or whomever after they get their methadone. Heroin is a hell of a drug.
What?
By Brian Riccio
Fri, 01/16/2015 - 6:13pm
You got a problem paying five bucks for a ten pack of Mach 3 Razors?
Maybe a joint named after
By kvn
Fri, 01/16/2015 - 1:49pm
Maybe a joint named after Jack Sharkey, for old times' sake............
From the article...
By doug carter
Fri, 01/16/2015 - 10:33am
"...The supermarket will be downtown Boston’s largest, and will potentially cap a 16-year push by the North End/West End/Beacon Hill Supermarket Committee to bring an affordable grocery to their neighborhoods."
Sounds like they'll be disappointed to have landed Star Market, then
I shop at Star Market!
By anon
Fri, 01/16/2015 - 11:17am
It used to be a Shaw's. Everything's exactly the same but with 15% higher prices!
It was a Star first
By BostonDog
Fri, 01/16/2015 - 1:12pm
You don't need to be too old to remember when most of the Star markets were renamed Shaw's in an attempt to ditch the Star brand which had a bad reputation. Then they managed to destroy Shaw's to the point where the old Star looked better in comparison and now they are renaming them again.
The joke is most locals didn't notice the first name change and won't noticed this change either. Everyone just thinks of it as the crappy supermarket you go to when you don't have time to go someplace else.
I hope they at least have the foresight to put the Shaw's signs into storage for when they need to go back to that name in 10 years.
Star market
By Jim G.
Fri, 01/16/2015 - 3:05pm
I used to love the old Star markets. I had no idea they had a bad reputation back then.
Bad Reputation?
By Hyde_Parker
Fri, 01/16/2015 - 10:42pm
I had no idea Star Market had a bad reputation. When was this?
Dont know where you get that
By kvn
Sat, 01/17/2015 - 10:00am
Dont know where you get that idea, that Star had a bad reputation. It was more local than Shaw's , which rapidly declined when the British bought it.I thought it had better products at a fair price.Plus Star seemd to have a better handle on their business then Shaws had on theirs.
Bonus story , Decision to sell is difficult for grocery families
'' After a half century of walking the aisles and greeting customers, Stephen Mugar was ready to sell the family business, Star Market. But he first wanted to get the blessing of his son, David, who was managing a store in Quincy.
“My response was, ‘Dad, look, you built this whole company from just about nothing, and you are entitled to do with it what you please,’ †recalled David Mugar, who was 25 at the time.
So in 1964, Stephen Mugar sold the company his father had started to Jewel Tea Co. of Chicago, setting off a half century of change with a half-dozen owners. Star Market would never be the same — so much so that the younger Mugar refuses to shop there anymore. ''
http://www.bostonglobe.com/business/2014/07/29/sel...
The old Star was good
By Shirley Dulcey
Mon, 10/21/2019 - 12:17am
Back when Star Market was a family owned company based in Watertown, Star Market was a good place to shop. It was a bit more expensive than Stop & Shop, but in exchange you got a better selection of fancy groceries and better produce. Later on the company started doing stores with a significant prepared food section, like the food court they had at the JFK store. The family sold out to Jewel Corp in 1964 but remained involved in management and the stores continued to be a good place to shop.
Then Star was sold to Shaw's in 1999, a company with a completely different focus on low price generic groceries. The cultures and market positioning were completely incompatible, and the Shaw's management didn't have a clue what to do with the Star stores. They pushed the low quality Shaw's generics into Star stores in places of the better ones that Star had offered, reduced the selection of gourmet and ethnic groceries, and drastically cut the quality of the prepared food in the stores that had it. Customers revolted. They added insult to injury by rebranding many of the stores as Shaw's.
Sainsbury, a British grocer, first bought a minority stake in Shaw's in 1983 and acquired controlling interest in 1987. In 2004 they sold their stake to Albertson's, another British grocer. Things did not improve. In 2006 Albertson's sold all its US grocery holdings (which also included other regional supermarkets and drug stores) to a partnership of SuperValu, CVS, Cerberus Capital, and other investment companies. They were carved up, with SuperValu getting Shaw's and Star. Still no improvement.
Things finally started to get better for Star Market in 2013 when Cerberus bought Shaw's and Star from SuperValu, along with ACME in Pennsylvania and New Jersey and Jewel-Osco in the midwest. (Restoring the Star brand started under SuperValu ownership but Cerberus has done a much better job of it.) Cerberus has continued to restore the Star branding of older stores and has opened new Star stores. They also restored the different positioning of the two chains, with Star focused on a more premium experience and Shaw's focused on price. (Some Star Markets are still lagging. The Porter Square and Beacon Street locations are both in need of serious attention.)
The North Station location is an interesting experiment. It has gone ever more upscale than other Star locations with a big prepared food section, a full liquor license, and lots of gourmet items, making it a more direct competitor to Roche Bros and Whole Foods, but it retains non-premium pricing on staples. (That latter part is likely part of their deal with Boston for reduced rent.)
Bermuda or Bulfinch triangle is confusing
By jj
Fri, 01/16/2015 - 11:35am
How can you have so many cars going in different directions? Glad to have a supermarket in that area love walking down those trails behind the Garden hopefully there would be a balance between the cars, bikers, pedestrians so that we can all survive. I nearly got run over by some bikers a couple months ago, strange how people who want to enjoy a leisurely bike ride just speed through the scenery and miss most of it.
Yeah, Star is the worst
By Ari O
Fri, 01/16/2015 - 11:37am
I was at a meeting the other day talking about development in Kendall Square, and there were people pushing for a grocery store here (which would be fantastic). Someone asked "how does the Star Market do over in University Park?" The answer was something along the lines of "not so well." Yeah, but you know why? Because it's Star Market. The prices are exorbitant ($14 for two pounds of Cabot Cheese that Market Basket sells for $8, for example). The produce is pretty terrible. Milk and eggs can be more than Whole Foods (which actually has competitive prices for those). It's depressing inside: they built a 1970s-style grocery store in 2000. And pretty much everyone in the neighborhood is close enough to a Trader Joes or Whole Foods that they can go there.
Star/Shaws' local market share has dropped by nearly 1/2 in the past 10 years as Market Basket and Roche Brothers eroded the overall market, and TJs and Whole Foods took higher end shoppers away. Star and Stop and Shop have the same issue many grocery stores have: once the original family lost control, corporate raiders realized that, in the short term, it's much more profitable to run a barely-staffed store with high prices than a well-staffed, well-supplied store with low prices and high volume. In the long run, of course, the stores decline, but who cares, money. (Giant in DC is an excellent example; in the '60s and '70s it was family-owned and decades ahead of its time, now it's basically Stop and Shop. Hannaford has been somewhat insulated from this since they have remained relatively independent of their megacorporate owner.) This is exactly why the Market Basket employees walked out and why the customers followed them: they knew that if it was bought it would be another Star in a few years.
Of course, any grocery store will certainly benefit the North End and the new housing near there, since the only option is Whole Foods, which is not really a full service grocery (they try, but still put more emphasis on organic soaps than staples at reasonable prices). And apparently Star is trying, and maybe the the new store will be built in the mold of more successful chains. But it would be so much better if a Roche or MB or Hannaford or Wegmans moved in. In other words, it's time to put Star out to pasture.
It is even more confusing
By anon
Fri, 01/16/2015 - 12:12pm
It is even more confusing when the city is kicking in over $7 million to Star why they couldn't get something better.
but in all realness
By cybah
Fri, 01/16/2015 - 12:20pm
what other options are there?
Roche? Nah, they are going to have their hands full with the DTX store in the spring
Market Basket? As Swirls has said, Market Basket rarely leases a store's plot. They like to own the building they are in.
Stop & Shop? They've been offered a spot near by and had a store at Charles River Plaza (that became a Whole Foods).
Wegman's? Like Roche, I think they have their hands full with their new store opening up in the Fenway.
Hannaford? I don't think they are ready for a urban store yet. The closest store is Waltham and Route 1.
Whole Foods? There's already one in Charlestown (ex-Foodmaster) and Charles River Plaza (ex- Stop & Shop). Doubt they want yet another store.
So what other options are there? not many.
I'd also love to know what the layout inside will look like. The store has to be willing to adapt to smaller, non-traditional spaces. Star may have been the only one willing to do so.
Star in chestnut hill
By bosguy22
Fri, 01/16/2015 - 1:01pm
Went there a couple weeks ago for the first time. They did a great job with it. I'd imagine this one will resemble that store.
Hopefully that's the case
By Ari O
Fri, 01/16/2015 - 3:53pm
More power to Star if they can do that.
Whole Foods
By Jim G.
Fri, 01/16/2015 - 3:12pm
Whole Foods is in the process of opening a new store at the base of the "Ink Block" luxury complex (i.e., by where the Herald used to be printed) in the "SoWa".
Understandable
By Ari O
Fri, 01/16/2015 - 3:54pm
And maybe Star can deliver on this one. I just hope they learned some lessons from the University Park Star, like competitive pricing, quality, and not having it be depressing every time you go in. Also, the layout of that store is bizarre, but they have to get around the hotel's elevator shaft.
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