It's supposed to file a report by the end of March on how to get us "the 21st-century transportation that we all deserve," Baker said at a press conference. "We cannot continue to do the same thing and expect a different result."
Stephanie Pollack, transportation secretary, said the panel will also look at long-term fixes for the "structural problems that have led the T to where it is today."
Baker said that while he'll leave the heavy lifting to the commission, he will be making surprise visits to T stations and other facilities to try to get a handle on what's going on.
From the governor's statement:
The experts include Jane Garvey, a national leader in transportation policy and top pick for Secretary of Transportation in the Obama administration, Jose A. Gomez-Ibanez , the Derek C. Bok Professor of Urban Planning and Public Policy at Harvard University, and Katie Lapp, former Executive Director and CEO for the New York Metropolitan Transportation Authority, North American’s largest transportation network. Paul Barrett will serve as chair.
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Yeah, Herald readers!
By moxie
Fri, 02/20/2015 - 2:05pm
I mean, dammit, including multiple sources and points of view in your information consumption is so dangerous! We're all in favor of diversity, as long as it's the right kind of diversity, you know?
"Because if I disagree with
By anon
Fri, 02/20/2015 - 2:21pm
"Because if I disagree with their politics it must be false."
Right Wing Think Tank
By anon
Fri, 02/20/2015 - 1:44pm
Cybah invites everyone to read up on the work of the Pioneer Institute.
I, anon, advise you that the Pioneer institute is a well know right wing think tank. The last thing we need is the fantasy right wing nonsense that the solutions to our problems are lower taxes, privatization, trickle down economics, layoffs of workers, no unions, blah, blah, blah.
The Pioneer Institute doesn't want to improve anything except the bank accounts of the rich.
anon invites
By anon
Fri, 02/20/2015 - 3:07pm
readers to read unsubstantiated left wing screed. Do you work for the bus drivers union?
Not really a PI fan, but unlike your post, the stuff Cybah cited had actual, you know, data.
thank you
By cybah
Fri, 02/20/2015 - 3:18pm
I'm not a PI fan either.. but it was eye opening and just confirmed what many of us have known for years.
Give me one example Vaughn
By anon
Fri, 02/20/2015 - 3:44pm
of right wing Republican "solutions" as promoted by Pioneer and listed by me that actually work or worked to do anything except improve things for the 1%. By the way I'm not a union member as you suggest, but I am smart enough to realize the value unions have and had in creating and maintaining the middle class in America. I also am smart enough to realize that the Pioneer Institute has an agenda, and it's not good for the 99%.
Accuse me of a "left wing screed", call me a union member, call my post unsubstantiated, it still doesn't change who the Pioneer Institute is and what their agenda is.
Try reading a post
By anon
Fri, 02/20/2015 - 7:37pm
Cybah, as he pointed out repeatedly now, thought their article raised some specific details about the MBTA situation which were interesting. The. End. There was nothing in there that the Pioneer Institute was also right about unions or anything else. Yet your reaction was essentially that there could be nothing of value in that link due to the origin, due to the issues you have (many legitimate) with the cabal of right winger behind it.
Ted Cruz could post an article about the funding problems of the T which could have merit, regardless of the fact that it's Ted Cruz.
The union remark on my part was due to the fact at the time of the last illegal action by the BPS bus drivers, their website was full of truly rambling jargon and it reminded me of your post. Sorry my reference was too obscure for you.
I totally disagree with you VK
By anon
Sat, 02/21/2015 - 12:05pm
So you admit Ted Cruz and the Pioneer Institute are agenda driven and not interested in the truth, yet you still would read what they have to say because they might possibly tell the truth sometimes.
I prefer to seek facts and solutions elsewhere. When looking for real solutions, why listen to or read the works of any person or organization that is a known and repeated liar?
And I remind you of the bus drivers union? OK, whatever. I guess its the tone of the argument, not the accuracy, that matters to you. The Pioneer Institute must have some really nice, pretty, polite sounding reports, maybe with multicolored graphs. I'm still not interested in what they have to say. The bus union has some legitimate issues. Maybe if they speak in the tone that makes you feel good, you will listen to them.
The Pioneer Institute was
By Lyndsay
Fri, 02/20/2015 - 5:25pm
The Pioneer Institute was started by a man who made millions in the oil and gas industry, and according to his obituary, the institute "honed the careers of key figures in political circles, including recent Republican gubernatorial candidate Charles D. Baker."
http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/obituaries/artic...
If you read their position papers, it is not difficult to see what their goal is and how it structures their "research" - the superiority of the free market and the limitations of government programs. I can't say they "prop up the rich" necessarily, but their research does revolve around taking down government-funded programs specifically public schools, Obamacare, lowering costs for businesses (i.e. taxes), and "job creation" by reducing government regulation. These are all big talking points with the Republican party, and the Pioneer Institute is not vague about where they stand on these issues. So their research specifically goes to supporting those positions, and I'm sure is funded that way as well. Claiming that you are 'independent' and 'bipartisan' is not the same as conducting research in an independent, nonpartisan fashion. They can say whatever they want about themselves, but once you read their white papers, it's pretty easy to see what their goals are. I mean, their name is "Pioneer" - as in, you should be able to do whatever the hell you want in this country without the government or those sensitive liberals getting in your way.
There are no non-partisan think tanks. Funding has to come from somewhere.
facts are facts
By cybah
Fri, 02/20/2015 - 3:18pm
Have you read ANY of these reports? I doubt you have. So please don't make ANY comments about something you have not read. Really love all the comments people are making about something they've never read.
Look, I'm VERY liberal leaning, and a registered DEMOCRAT. If I smell a rat, I'm going to call out a rat. I don't smell a rat in these reports AT ALL. If I did, you'd know it.
Like I said above, they contained nothing more than stuff I already know (and many of us know, regardless if you have a D or an R next to your name).
I also stated I didn't agree with everything they stated, but its very hard to ignore a lot of research with real facts and numbers.
Regardless of the PI report(s), most reports about the T have all pretty much the same thing. So the opinions of the PI are not alone here. I'd be skeptical if it was all "new to me" facts, but it's not.
So again, please read the reports before you make ANY comments about them. They aren't filled with ANY of what you state, so its clear you haven't even glazed over them. Please do before you comment again because you're just talking rubbish that you know little about.
Combo of right and wrong
By Kaz
Fri, 02/20/2015 - 4:09pm
Their facts are right. However their attributions as to how the facts developed are not in many places in the report. They also have horrible ideas for how to solve the problem in their recommendations.
that's right
By cybah
Fri, 02/20/2015 - 5:51pm
And this is where "I don't agree with some of what they said".
I'm more interested in their facts, not their solutions. They aren't a transit agency or some look out group (that is transit focused).
This is where people keep thinking I think the PI is 100% correct, and that's just false. I don't believe its 100% true, however their facts are right, but solutions suck.
So you can't smell a rat Cybah, but most of us can
By anon
Fri, 02/20/2015 - 4:34pm
Just because you cant smell a rat in the Pioneer reports, doesn't mean they are not filled with rats. Pioneer is a right wing think tank funded by the Kochs, the Waltons, and others and affiliated with ALEC. If you are a liberal Democrat, or even if you're not, that should tell you all you need to know. And there is no reason to believe that such an organization will ever provide reports with "real numbers and facts" as you say. Look at the list of Pioneer people associated with Mitt Romney, the most prolific pathological liar in American politics.
I invite you to actually read the entire link provided by BlackKat
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Pioneer_Insti...
And if you still cant smell a rat, please see a doctor. You apparently have some serious problems with your olfactory system.
again
By cybah
Fri, 02/20/2015 - 5:50pm
Have you read the reports? no you havent. So again your making BROAD assumptions about something you have no clue about. Please stop while your ahead.
And yes I have read that link and it's rubbish. They don't even do a good job at linking it to people like the koch brothers and what not. All they say is "linked with" with nothing really to back up their claim. Just because ONE internet page says its true, doesn't mean it's true.
Let me break this to you.. I can take ANY company or any organization and link them to some right wing or left wing org on a whim. The world is far too small, and everything is too connected.
And please if the reports are so wrong, how about you READ them, then come at me with REAL proof and facts and numbers to prove Pioneer 100% wrong. But you won't, no one ever does. God for bid people actual back up their claims they are saying rather than just throw crap on the wall and hope it sticks.
"Crap on the wall"
By perruptor
Sat, 02/21/2015 - 7:35am
Irony. I don't read Pioneer Institute articles now -- haven't for years. The reason I don't is the same reason I don't read Global Warming deniers, Creationists, or Holocaust deniers. Their agenda always overwhelms any token reality that my be in their messages, and there are much better places to find facts. If you want reporting that pushes the Corporatist agenda, go for it -- follow the PI. For me, life is too short to bother trying to sort the little bit of truth from their mountain of BS.
Wrong and Right Cybah
By anon
Sat, 02/21/2015 - 12:20pm
You're Wrong
Sourcewatch does a great job linking the Kochs to Pioneer. Read the footnotes, including IRS filings.
You're Right
I did not and will not read what Pioneer has to say about anything. A major element of the conservative/right wing/Republican strategy is to lie about everything. That they way they roll.
Indeed
By perruptor
Sat, 02/21/2015 - 12:46pm
Irving Kristol, one of the founders of Neoconservatism, is famous for explicitly saying that it's OK to peddle falsehoods in order to achieve an ideological goal.
His son William has continued in this "noble" tradition, and is famous as the guy who's Wrong About Everything.
mark & cybah, slow down, hombres
By bibliotequetres...
Sat, 02/21/2015 - 6:41pm
I just looked through the Pioneer Institute white papers & policy briefs, and cannot find a source (or footnotes) for their report. Can you? If so, would you please post the link? It might be on the site, but I've looked & am not finding them.
Why I'm asking is this: in my last job, my union had to go to bat to save our partial transit reimbursement program. At that time (2009) I knew that Boston had the lowest monthly pass cost of any comparable city. The Pioneer paper makes much of the T fares doubling over the past 12 years, "no other commuter rail system increased their rates as much [besides Dallas, which uses a pass system only]" so I decided to look into how we compare, per single rail ride, cheapest rush hour non-special fare:
San Francisco...........$2.25
Chicago.....................$2.25
Atlanta.......................$2.50
DC............................$2.15 (minimum work commute going 1 stop; longer rides cost more)
Boston.......................$2.10
So our "doubling" brought us up to par with typical single ride costs.
Our monthly pass compares even better-- $75 for us versus the next cheapest equal pass of $95 in Atlanta. (San Francisco does not offer an all-inclusive one, but a limited subway/BART for $80)
The Pioneer reporting reminds me a lot of a Reason Foundation white paper on infrastructure costs I read a few months ago (yes yes,envy my life). While much of their info was pulled from FTA stats, it was so unbelievably cherrypicked that it was useless for my purposes. I would love to get the Pioneer paper, if there is one, and compare it to the Reason one. I think Pioneer culled some from Reason.
Mark, the Census link you provided earlier shows that the majority of commuters using public transit in Boston is actually from outside the city, and that we are in the top 5 cities for having "mega commuters" traveling more than 50 miles, so the idea that expansion is an unnecessary burden is questionable, at best. I think the Pioneer Institute is on shakey ground particularly with that, but I don't want to dismiss it out of hand without looking at their sources.
http://www.sfmta.com/getting-around/transit/fares-...
http://www.transitchicago.com/fares/
http://www.itsmarta.com/fares-passes.aspx
http://www.wmata.com/rail/station_to_station_fares...
http://www.mbta.com/fares_and_passes/subway/
http://www.census.gov/hhes/commuting/files/Daytime...
Expansion of a public transportation system
By roadman
Fri, 02/20/2015 - 1:05pm
especially to areas that have historically been underserved is not a bad thing. And it is perfectly reasonable and practical to continue expansion while doing basic maintenance and repair to the core system at the same time.
The problem with expansion is that, for political and other reasons, the T is often forced to commit to things (like the "necessary" community pathway on the GLX) that are not directly related to the service the project is intended to provide and raise the overall cost of the projects.
And we really need to reign in the whole "environmental impact" aspect of expansion projects. That alone will greatly reduce costs and speed up the whole design and construction process - and the earth will not fall off its axis or enter a new ice age because of it.
The expansion dilemna
By HenryAlan
Fri, 02/20/2015 - 2:34pm
Expansion in and of itself isn't the issue at all, it's a failure to recognize that there are different types of expansion, for different purposes and requiring different levels of financial backing. An expansion to a low density, low utilization destination, for example, is probably a good idea if there is an underserved population without alternative options. But it's not a cost effective expansion, so we need to recognize that such a choice involves a wealth transfer. It's this latter piece that has been missing from the discussion.
People want the 'T to run a financially efficient operation, but demand from it projects that are incompatible with this idea. And worse, we don't do the projects that are financially efficient, because the up front capital infrastructure costs have too much sticker shock. Look at GLX, for example, which was one of the easiest, and cheapest core expansion options available. We should do a few more, like Dudley light rail, say, or BLX to Lynn, but the sticker shock keeps these things off the table, even though the operational cost would require a much lower subsidy than all these less expensive commuter rail projects.
So we choose the projects with low up front costs, but extremely high operating subsidies over the projects with high up front costs but low to no operating subsidy requirements. Then we wonder why the system fails in core areas.
The T is way too small as it
By Verbal
Fri, 02/20/2015 - 1:09pm
The T is way too small as it is. It doesn't go enough places, it doesn't run often enough, and it doesn't go far enough. People crying "Overexpansion" would never have wanted the red line out to Davis Square, but look at the wonders that's done for Somerville. The fact that they stopped at Alewife instead of 128 is a damn shame.
They've done audits on this before. There's a certain amount of efficiency to gain here and there, and they should - this crisis may be enough to push that through.
But the biggest problem is simply 40 years of not-quite-good-enough funding. Not enough upkeep. Not enough new rolling stock. Those switches should have been replaced decades ago. The signals should have been replaced decades ago. The DC-powered motors have well-known problems that have well-known solutions.
But the legislature doesn't seem interested in finding the money in the budget for key items like transit. We'll get an organization dedicated to promoting Boston as a film location, we'll get a software procurement scandal, we'll get the Probation department scandal, but we won't get decent transit until the voters demand it.
but but but
By cybah
Fri, 02/20/2015 - 1:28pm
Look I agree with you about expansion. But don't lump the alewife extension into this, this was planned and built long before CA/T requirements. When people talk about expansion issues, its not any line built prior to 1996, its everything after.
The T just expanded too quickly in the 1990s. It was the fastest expanding transit system in the country at the time.
The problem is, the system expanded with no real way to maintain it. You can expand all you want but if you don't have the funds to continue to support the new service, you're in trouble. This is the T's biggest woe.
PS - It's not the T's fault that the Red Line doesn't go to 128, it's because of Arlington. Blame the 1970s/1980s residents of Arlington. The T wanted to go to 128, but the residents didn't.
Nonsense
By anon
Fri, 02/20/2015 - 1:48pm
The residents of Quincy didn't want the Red LIne either, because it would make it easier for the dark skinned rif raf from evil Boston to come to Quincy. But the Red expanded anyways.
what is this? Atlanta?
By cybah
Fri, 02/20/2015 - 3:22pm
Are we talking about MARTA? You know.. the transit agency that can't expand because the counties don't want 'undesirables' in their communities
*eye roll*
No, this is Boston
By Cutriss
Fri, 02/20/2015 - 3:53pm
And he is 100% correct. It's also part of why the Orange Line doesn't go to Reading and the Red Line doesn't go to Lexington.
okay
By cybah
Fri, 02/20/2015 - 3:58pm
now to a Uhub standard question...
Got a citation to back that up?
Here's one (of many)
By perruptor
Sat, 02/21/2015 - 7:56am
http://tuftsobserver.org/red-tape-why-the-red-line-stopped-short/
This was an entirely predictable NIMBY response, by the way. The exact same thing happened 100 years earlier, when entrepreneurs wanted to build a streetcar line to what is now Rte 128 in Lexington. The farmers in Lex rose up in opposition, explicitly saying that undesirable elements like Irish and Italians would ride the streetcar to the proposed amusement park, like the town and move there. When the entrepreneurs prevailed and built their streetcar line and amusement park, the farmers' fears proved well-founded. Lexington grew with a wave of transplants from Boston. The descendants of those transplants were a large part of the opposition to the Red line extension, and of the similar opposition to the Minuteman Bike Path, using much the same arguments about undesirables (without the ethnic specifics) that their predecessors had used.
Well, you know it was because
By anon
Fri, 02/20/2015 - 2:06pm
Well, you know it was because of that "urban element." AKA ppl that weren't white.
I would love more expansion. We should have been concentrating on this for the last 40 years but we don't seem to have enough foresight to do that. "World class" cities have world class transit. We are not a world class city when it comes to that. We have to get away from the car mentality. Having a strong transit system is actually a good thing!
I have been taking the T my whole life and I would pay more for it IF the money actually went to maintenance, expansion, etc. I am also for T workers making a good living. But the last 5 T hikes I have seen nothing but the system get worse. It must be Obama's fault.
Arlington opposition
By Markk02474
Fri, 02/20/2015 - 2:35pm
We see in some ways the red line expansion south has been a failure. Its a long distance that snow removal operations failed to clear in a reasonable time frame. In another way, the expansion was appropriate given the number of riders. Other expansions, not so many riders. It takes good planning to predict which expansions will grow enough ridership to become sustainable. The expansion of route 3 north by a lane each way only took 10 years to fill up. I-495 drove lots of economic development over its initial 30 years, and is now congested during commute time. The red line north took many years before it drove up property values and rents in Davis Square. A chief difference is that areas with much open space for population growth present more opportunity than ones built out. Davis Square and Arlington are both largely built out with lower potential for population and ridership growth.
Much of Arlington's opposition to red line stations in the town was increased auto traffic to/from stations and criminals commuting to work in Arlington. Both were valid concerns at the time as traffic congestion in Arlington was worse than now with our shrunken population. Arlington had 25% more residents then and crime rates in the area and the country were much higher than now. The MBTA changed the route of the Orange line in part because it went right through where many criminals lived and people got mugged daily on the orange line. Crime was a real issue.
Radio Shack does serve a large population, but many outlets do not serve enough customers to be sustainable, nor is there any viable plan to grow sufficient customers. Public transit faced the same issue with the decline in passenger rail service in decades past, and here the T is expanding past sustainability. The CLF lawsuit was based on fictitious pollution projections more than financial sustainability of expansions.
Arlington aside, funding to bring the red line to 128 doesn't seem likely. Alewife parking garage was to have two more levels, but ran out of money, so money to reach 128 is unlikely. Besides, if the red line ran through Arlington, Lexington, and Bedford, bicyclists wouldn't have the Minuteman commuter path.
Traffic in Arlington you say?
By SwirlyGrrl
Fri, 02/20/2015 - 2:29pm
Well, I think permanently closing Route 2 would do wonders for that.
Crime was also a reason for opposing the Minuteman
By issacg
Fri, 02/20/2015 - 2:41pm
because criminals were going to ride their bicycles up to Arlington, steal things, and then ride back to wherever (presumably Cambridge and Somerville), all while decreasing property values in Arlington.
Funny how so many of the houses that go up for sale along the Minuteman now have two signs: one on the street leading to the house, and one in the backyard in view of the Minuteman.
So Mark's right in one regard - things change.
On the issue of Rt. 3, I don't think that we've been adequately thanked for building a better road for people living in NH to get to their more lucrative jobs in MA (and no, the income tax that they pay is not enough, because they don't pay as much in other taxes to MA as MA residents do). We should remember that when we start exploring revenue options for transport.
NH residents commuting to Mass
By Markk02474
Fri, 02/20/2015 - 2:58pm
Not only do they pay MA income tax, but their employment bolsters Mass companies (paying corporate taxes) along 495, 128, on into Boston. They also spend money in Mass, even if just for lunch and meals taxes. Workers come to MA from other states too, NY, CT, VT, ME, and especially RI. NH puts tolls on its roads into MA, so ones on the MA boarder only seems fair to fund bridge repairs!
That part was really funny
By SwirlyGrrl
Fri, 02/20/2015 - 3:03pm
Even in 1993, there were plenty of studies that indicated decreases of crime due to bike paths, because they often took over rights of way that could not be patrolled before. Before the path went in, there were bonfires that went out of control, drinking and vandalism sprees, etc. Not after.
We had a neighbor who was paranoid that the bike path was going to bring criminals and ruin his property value, etc. The family moved to Billerica (nearer their jobs, to be honest), and sold out long before the prices went bigtime. Then they came back every halloween because the houses were too far apart where they moved.
They were flummoxed that they had more of a crime problem where they moved to, as well.
Any warm Sunday, you can now ride that stretch of the Minuteman and see "open house" signs all in a row.
ah but you see?
By anon
Fri, 02/20/2015 - 3:09pm
All those open houses are due to people trying to secretly escape the crime riddled horror of Arlington. It's all a facade.
Criminals must have been buying the houses!
By SwirlyGrrl
Fri, 02/20/2015 - 3:13pm
Yeah ... that's how we were priced out!
Whoooda thunk? They stole all the money and then ... invested it!
Just wait
By anon
Fri, 02/20/2015 - 3:28pm
soon you'll be awash in the criminal element in Medford, commuting north to pillage from East Cambridge and the Back Bay.
Come from Malden instead!
By Markk02474
Fri, 02/20/2015 - 3:43pm
I think more criminals are coming to Medford from Malden than East Cambridge and perhaps Charlestown these days.
Favorite police log entry in
By Lyndsay
Fri, 02/20/2015 - 5:29pm
Favorite police log entry in my hometown of Lexington: "A woman reported a suspicious man on the bike path. It turns out the man was from Waltham."
Expansion
By cybah
Fri, 02/20/2015 - 1:19pm
I don't want to talk about this too too much because there's a lot to talk about.
But the way the Pioneer Institute explained it was that the T was required to take on all these expansion projects and fund them. Of course the T didn't have money so it came out of everywhere else like maintenance.
A good example of one of this is the greenbush line. It was a CA/T requirement. But yet has a negative gain on "new to transit" transfers (i.e. from a car). They gained ZERO new riders, and all they did was take riders away from other modes (ferry, bus, etc). Frankly, according to the PI report, it was a waste of money. Same with South Coast rail.
Sure it was nice to some people but the ROI on these extensions is so low its in the negative.
However not all projects were a boondoggle. The Silver Line being one. Regardless of what you may think about the Silver Line, it does meet and way exceed ridership numbers than it ever did when it was proposed.
So it really is hit or miss on what was really needed and warranted vs what was just a boondoggle.
About that debt
By Markk02474
Fri, 02/20/2015 - 2:36pm
When the pro transit folks used the courts to force expansion of the MBTA, Legislators responded with "OK transit, you get to OWN all the debt your CLF friends put upon us using the courts, ha ha!"
I agree completely that the silver line being a worthwhile expansion with many passengers served.
Why do you hate the rule of law so much?
By SwirlyGrrl
Fri, 02/20/2015 - 3:06pm
The CLF didn't put any debt on anyone. The courts required that a contract be fulfilled.
What part of IN THE CONTRACT and COST OVERRUNS do you not get?
All of it, apparently. In that case, give me some money to clear the ice dams on your roof. I will take the money, not do the work, and then use MarkkLogic(tm) to pretend that I owe you nothing because the CLF EPA BOOGYMAN is evil or something.
Why do you hate America so much?
okay
By cybah
Fri, 02/20/2015 - 3:25pm
I'm sure to get a slap from Swirly but..
No but they did sue the state and said if they didn't get their transit projects they would sue to block the big dig.
So yes in a round about way, they are responsible for the debt (partly). No its not debt from the highway but debt from requiring certain projects to be built in leiu of getting the CA/T.
Friendly torts
By Markk02474
Fri, 02/20/2015 - 3:54pm
are popular now when the EPA, transit, or whatever doesn't have the political will to achieve their progressive visions, they get some friendly private non-profit to use the courts to force them to happen. When a minority group needs its civil rights protected the courts properly intervene. When minority interests want things that don't serve the greater public, I'm less supportive.
The MBTA hurt themselves by using courts for expansion because the Legislature retaliated by giving them the debt for that expansion plus their previous debts. Now, if they try using the courts again, it again costs the MBTA. CLF brought this debt on the MBTA for their tactics.
Let's play what if
By Kaz
Fri, 02/20/2015 - 4:19pm
Markk, what if the state had budgeted a larger budget that included full payment for all Big Dig-related transit projects and instead of stalling them had made them a top priority, meaning that parts of the Zakim Bridge were completed late while new funding was found to pay for it as the project's budget overran itself?
What if? So, all the MBTA stuff is done up-front. No CLF lawsuit. No whining from you about the Clean Air Act and pollution levels. But the state ended up coming in late on finishing the ROAD portions of the Big Dig and taxpayers had to pay an extra $0.10/gal at the pump in gas tax to cover the funds necessary to finish installing the Zakim at all.
Would you be irate at the extra gas tax? Or the fact that traffic into the city from the north was fubared like in 2001 but all the way until say 2014 instead?
Because your PERPETUAL rant about the CLF is entirely misplaced. The STATE agreed to do these projects to satisfy FEDERAL requirements (neither of which is the MBTA). The state doesn't get to ignore them afterwards just because it's financially inconvenient. Don't like it? Complain to the Feds who made the law that added these MANDATORY REQUIREMENTS. Then think about what I proposed in the What If. If those mandatory requirements were fulfilled but the mandatory requirement of building the Zakim were not instead, then whose fault is that? If the North Shore cities sued the state to finish the Zakim, would you be flipping out at them or the state for coming in over budget and underfunded and uncompleted?
Part of the problem was the
By rob
Fri, 02/20/2015 - 2:54pm
Part of the problem was the planning that went into the expansion of the T that was forced under the Conservation Law Foundation mitigation agreement. Instead of prioritizing projects that would have made more sense for expansion of the system (like the green line extension to Somerville) you had grandstanding politicians who supported the expansion of the commuter line (like greenbush). Greenbush cost over 500million to build to service commuters who were in most cases already taking public transit. Then a few years after greenbush is built you have study after study showing ridership declines, to the point where service was cut. On top of that you had the whole snafu over the concrete rail ties that were purchased from ROCLA that went bad 10 years after the line was opened forcing the T to replace 150,000 of them. Granted the T claimed ROCLA said they would last 50 years, ROCLA countered that they only said they would last 3 and they went to court, the two sides reached an agreement after the T couldn't prove that they had the 50 year warranty, and which when all said and done cost another 91.5 mill to replace. It is definitely true that the T HAD to take on all this expansion because it was part of the Big Dig mitigation agreement, and I agrwee with you that it's hard to blame the T when it was the politicians/gov at the time making decisions about what would be done first. I would think if you expanded service to a place like Somerville you would at least have far more potential riders than commuter service to the south shore. In short it's hard to the blame the T for what was being prioritized by our then governor and other politicans.
Green line extension worthwhile?
By Markk02474
Fri, 02/20/2015 - 3:21pm
$2.2 Billion and rising for less than 5 miles of track, now with an added bike/pedestrian path. Perhaps 5,000 new riders, more just switching modes from existing bus lines. I've always complained that the GLX would be more sustainable if it included parking to get even more riders. Like the town of Arlington, Somerville doesn't seem to want out of towners driving to their community to park and take the T from new stations. Parking space has held back the MBTA at many existing commuter rail stations. More riders could be gotten with just parking without extending rail lines and building new stations.
The GLX has done one thing already, its increased property values along its proposed routes in Somerville. Those property owners are getting a huge windfall, so too is the city of Somerville with increased tax assessments. Unfortunately, none of that money gets back to the MBTA which shoulders the debt for their gains. The MBTA needs to tap this money as a new funding source instead of adding more burden to existing ones.
Wrong context for parking
By jeffkinson
Fri, 02/20/2015 - 4:11pm
Projected ridership for GLX is 50,000 total rides per day. It helps that in addition to the already-dense communities near the proposed stations, Somerville is engaging on a massive upzoning to embiggen itself by 9,000 new units of housing and 30,000 jobs,primarily around its new T stations. Given their success so far with Assembly Row, Somerville seems capable of meeting this goal.
GLX stations aren't exurban commuter rail stations near highway interchanges; they're serving dense neighborhoods in the urban core, where most streets are no more than one lane in each direction. We shouldn't expect or encourage encourage people to drive this far into the city just to take the T for the last mile of their commute, just like we shouldn't expect or encourage people to drive into Harvard Sq to take the T to Kendall. The one exception is the hypothetical Rt 16 station, where I would have no objection to a park-and-ride.
I do mostly agree with you about value capture.
I been wanting to ask you this
By RhoninFire
Fri, 02/20/2015 - 6:17pm
You are strongly against GLX. I'm not going to get into a debate about it because I don't have the time and it's not my goal to bring it up. But do you stand against South Coast Rail? A just as expensive (originally more but GLX costs has ballooned) but projected to capture far less than GLX? And we have the Greenbush line showing more doubt on top? I never hear you say anything bout SCR, but if you view GLX as wasteful, than the metrics stands even worse for SCR.
Not to mention that if you want to argue stuff that win some support here. Arguing how SCR is a waste gets a lot more traction here than GLX.
OK, they are bad too
By Markk02474
Sat, 02/21/2015 - 12:54am
In another article I replied to you that I had not studied SCR so that's why I didn't make an example of it. GLX is near to me, so I read documents and attended hearings. I did neither for south shore rail lines. I'll take your word for it that they are more politically sustainable than financially sustainable. GLX has even more political support from Somerville residents, the Mayor, and financial beneficiaries like property owners and developers.
Note, all those sound reduction walls in the GLX project are to silence community political opposition more than train noise.
Why do people complain about
By anon
Fri, 02/20/2015 - 1:36pm
Why do people complain about the T expanding but not the highways and roads? 128 is being expanded, as is Rt 2, 93 was recently expanded, there is talk of expanding roads in the Seaport to increase the amount of cars that can drive in, a new vehicular bridge (Moakley) was added to the seaport. There were all done while bridges (along 93, McGrath, etc.) were repaired or totally rebuilt, roads were repaved. Why can drivers get expansion and maintenance, while people constantly whine that the T shouldn't be expanding (when in fact it needs to much more to accommodate increasing demand), and that that is the reason for the poor state of affairs, not things like Baker and Celluci dumping highway debt onto the T or the legislature refusing to fund the T properly.
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