The Globe reports on the plans for rebuilding Comm. Ave. between the BU Bridge and Packards Corner with "cycle tracks" that would use barriers to keep motorists out of the bike lanes.
The Herald froths about the goddamn tree-hugging dirty hippie socialists in Spandex destroying America thanks Obama.
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Wow. Really, they were
By anon
Wed, 03/25/2015 - 11:16am
Wow. Really, they were against this? WHY? It is their students who stand to benefit from it the most.
The whole time I was working in that area I wished BU would give more of a crap about public safety of their students and for people in the area in general. It is disappointing to hear they don't support this.
How about asking for a source
By RhoninFire
Wed, 03/25/2015 - 3:57pm
How about asking for a source. BU was part of the pressure that got bike lanes for the first half of Comm Ave. The student groups have not been held back at all in their advocacy by BU's officials. The BU news mouthpiece have not show signs in being hesitant on the cycle tracks. I found no articles or even comments saying some kind of "I can't believe that BU official dissented".
Virtually every other Anon post get the 3rd degree to back themselves. But this time let's just take his word?
Why should pedestrians lose
By Kinopio
Wed, 03/25/2015 - 9:57am
Why should pedestrians lose space because car drivers keep parking in bike lanes and killing people?
Well, actually, pedestrians
By anon
Wed, 03/25/2015 - 11:56pm
Well, actually, pedestrians are losing space so that people driving to BU can have a left-turn lane onto Agganis Way.
The bike lanes take relatively little space in comparison.
There have been a lot of meetings and apparently
By Sally
Wed, 03/25/2015 - 10:13am
You missed them, bro.
Bike path
By Auntie Mackey
Wed, 03/25/2015 - 8:06am
Somerville is also planning a bike path. However, at one of the meetings, after all the contentious arguing one biking advocate said "but after the cycle path is built, we can still ride in the street, right?"
Was it Spike from Portlandia?
By anon
Wed, 03/25/2015 - 8:42am
Was it Spike from Portlandia?
Well, if you can...
By lbb
Wed, 03/25/2015 - 11:23am
...keep the dog-walkers, rollerbladers, hopscotchers, joggers, parents with strollers, people walking and talking on cellphones, etc. off the CYCLE PATH, then maybe you'll have an argument worth making. But you won't be able to do those things, and in fact, nobody will try. As a result, the CYCLE PATH will be useless for cyclists, and cyclists will have gained nothing by it.
sounds like a good idea to me
By ZachAndTired
Wed, 03/25/2015 - 8:27am
I don't think I've ridden my bike in 2 or 3 years, but everybody I know who rides regularly has been hit by a car at least once. This makes it safer for bikers and less annoying for drivers who won't have to deal with passing bikers on that stretch anymore. I wish they'd put more of these cycle tracks in.
YES!
By cybah
Wed, 03/25/2015 - 8:34am
This is why I thought it was nifty. I sold my bike because I was getting tired of getting hit by cars and being 'door'd.
I loved the esplande but getting to the esplande to bike was too much (and tried my nerves too many times going down Mass Ave)
" I was getting tired of getting hit by cars"
By anon
Wed, 03/25/2015 - 8:56am
Ding Ding Ding!!!!! Well you just won the award for the most melodramatic. over exaggerated lie of the day.
It's a lie?
By Scratchie
Wed, 03/25/2015 - 9:17am
How do you know? How many times was Cybah hit by cars?
Go fold it in four corners
By cybah
Wed, 03/25/2015 - 9:26am
You weren't there. You don't know.
And yes I was.
In all fairness, I imagine it
By Lmo
Wed, 03/25/2015 - 10:11am
In all fairness, I imagine it only takes one time being hit/doored before you get tired of it. Whether it was once or 10x, glad you weren't seriously injured.
I was doored and hit by a car
By gotdatwmd
Wed, 03/25/2015 - 10:16am
I was doored and hit by a car in the past year. Why should that stop me from cycling? (In fact I spent the insurance money on a new cog and crankset) If someone is on a car accident and walks away do they stop driving?
yes
By cybah
Wed, 03/25/2015 - 10:41am
but not to argue with you.. but you're a seasoned biker, I was a novice. Three times was enough for me at that time in my life. It's scary to say the lease to be throw several feet without warning..
But I'm willing to try again..
That "and walks away"...
By lbb
Wed, 03/25/2015 - 11:25am
...is far from given if you're on a bike and you get hit by a car, and you know it perfectly well. Stop being disingenuous; the tough pose does not impress.
Ride on Bro
By Lmo
Thu, 03/26/2015 - 9:52am
If I were a prudent and responsible rider and was hit by an object that was a few thousand pounds (more than once), I may just stick to bike trails. I would not judge someone for not wanting to ride after being hit. I couldn't compare someone on a bicycle getting hit by a car, to a car vs car collision.
You can do a couple basic
By Harpie Beagle
Sat, 03/28/2015 - 10:42pm
You can do a couple basic thigns to prevent being doored, but as nobody is taught these things and drivers find them irritating, it doesn't happen as often as it should.
Oh well, if one thinks driver convenience is more important than one's own safety, then one gets what they deserve.
Having been hit by a car in
By Muerl
Wed, 03/25/2015 - 9:44am
Having been hit by a car in this exact stretch of road I definitely welcome this.
I travel through that area on a Bike, on Foot, and driving a Car, this will likely help all of the above.
The only concern I have is that unlike Western Avenue where a similar plan is used, there are MANY right turns off of the inbound side of Com Ave which do not have lights. I would worry that these places are more likely to have a car take a right without looking for a cyclist. Thats where I got hit. Car Sped past me and then took a quick right before I could stop.
Great News
By mrotown
Wed, 03/25/2015 - 8:41am
I've been working on this stretch of Comm Ave for the past 10 years. The amount of bicycle traffic has grown exponentially in that time period. I'm even seeing less of a dip than I used to see during the winter. The narrowing of the road lanes should do a lot to slow down the cars that treat this section of road like a highway instead of a major bicycle, pedestrian thoroughfare.
I guess I'm supposed to be complaining about the time I saw this person on a bike do a dumb thing though.
thanks barack HUSSEIN obama
By norp
Wed, 03/25/2015 - 8:42am
thanks barack HUSSEIN obama
I'm starting to wonder if
By erik g
Wed, 03/25/2015 - 11:01am
I'm starting to wonder if Adam has some sort of secret pro-bike agenda. There's no way he could just be letting every comment through--he must be screening for the real gems like this guy, and the various misspelled, incoherent, or generally sociopathic rants that are posted in here. He must be trying to give the anti-bike people a bad name.
Because the only other alternative is that you, o legion of anonymous trolls, are all actually this breathtakingly idiotic, and you drive cars on the regular. Which is something I'd rather not even contemplate.
nah
By cybah
Wed, 03/25/2015 - 11:11am
people are just that idiotic.. don't you read the herald comment sections? Hell, even BDC's brings my IQ down some when I read them.
To be fair, from being on this site for years... yes he does approve all anon comments, but mostly to filter out spam. Plus I know he does it at random times because you'll see 5-10 anon posts all appear at once.
I don't even look at the
By anon
Wed, 03/25/2015 - 11:30am
I don't even look at the comments on the Herald. I'm afraid they'll cause permanent brain damage.
You think this comment is serious?
By SwirlyGrrl
Wed, 03/25/2015 - 11:37am
I didn't. It seems to be a joke on the birther crowd that drags its knuckles across the Herald's comment sections.
Sarcasm detector
By erik g
Wed, 03/25/2015 - 1:02pm
Yeah, the detector might have been miscalibrated for this one. But I'm pretty sure the 20+ other "cyclists are mean and terrible and are stealing our precious bodily fluids" posts upthread are serious. And those are frankly just as worrisome.
But!
By Kaz
Wed, 03/25/2015 - 9:12am
Without a czar, how will anyone know to use these new bike tracks??
Interesting
By Scratchie
Wed, 03/25/2015 - 9:25am
The article doesn't actually explain or show how the new bike lanes would prevent a collision like the one that killed Weigl. I don't recall the details of that incident, but presumably it will still be possible for trucks to turn right off of Comm Ave, and if there is a bicycle in the way, they will still hit it.
In any case, though, I do like the way the diagram at the bottom shows one of the pedestrians (presumably Kaepplein) shaking his fist at the cyclist.
PS: In any case, I hope this plan goes through, since it will apparently give Howie Carr an embolism.
Yes it does, there will be protected intersections.
By anon
Wed, 03/25/2015 - 9:55am
Yes it does, right after the paragraph talking about the truck driver that killed him, there is this:
And why should anyone care what Howard Carr, who lives in Wellesley, think about what we in Boston do?
Yes, there is a paragraph
By Scratchie
Wed, 03/25/2015 - 10:39am
Yes, there is a paragraph that purports to explain the configuration of intersections under this plan, but absent a diagram, it's hard to see how this will work.
The bike lane is to the right of the motor vehicle lane. At some point, motor vehicles turning right will have to cross the bike lane, at a point that presumably does not include a "physical barrier". How this is actually accomplished is left purely to the reader's imagination.
Because he's a hateful liar who writes for a Boston paper and, presumably, influences public opinion in the City of Boston.
Usually
By Kaz
Wed, 03/25/2015 - 10:57am
Usually a "physical barrier" means a raised crossing for the bikes. This makes drivers drive up over the hump and often onto a different driving material (like a paving stone). That gives them awareness that something special is going on so they should pay more attention.
That certainly sounds like a
By Scratchie
Wed, 03/25/2015 - 11:07am
That certainly sounds like a possible option. It would have been nice if the professional journalist who wrote the article had explained exactly what it meant so we didn't have to guess.
Check out this site
By anon
Wed, 03/25/2015 - 11:59pm
http://www.protectedintersection.com/
It's the design of safe intersections in the Netherlands and will be the basis for the design here on Comm Ave.
No it doesn't
By Markk02474
Wed, 03/25/2015 - 11:09am
When a bicyclist riding down a hill won't stop for a tractor trailer in his path, how does a "protected" bike track fix that? Its still not protecting from idiot bicyclists who fail to notice a 40+ foot trailer crossing their path and apply his brakes, if he had any.
Its not like that tractor trailer made a quick right hook in front of the cyclist. They don't turn on a dime, and in this case, the driver had to swing to the left lane on Comm. Ave. to make the right turn.
A big problem are cyclists who ride too fast for their brakes and/or don't use them in order to slow down when caution is needed. When there is a motor to do the work, there is no effort in speeding back up, so drivers and motorcyclists are more likely to slow down ahead of potential problems.
I'm blocked by the paywall, so have not read the Globe Article, yet saw some materials elsewhere, though they really didn't actually analyze the crashes and what ones might have been prevented by the proposed design. I imagine doorings are the most solved crash types.
I imagine doorings are the
By Scratchie
Wed, 03/25/2015 - 11:25am
Which are, anecdotally, the most prevalent type of car/bike incident. So it sounds like you agree that this plan should provide a huge benefit, even if it doesn't prevent 100% of car/bike collisions.
Left hook
By SwirlyGrrl
Wed, 03/25/2015 - 11:34am
That means the truck passes the cyclist and the driver forgets about them half way through the pass and bangs a turn across a travel lane without yielding.
Which is what happened. Stop with this fantasy of "bike riding down hill hits truck". That's a bunch of shit and you know it.
Damn Pedestrians slowed the truck turn
By Markk02474
Sat, 03/28/2015 - 2:21pm
The semi driver didn't forget about having passed the the cyclist, he had to stop mid-turn for pedestrians crossing on the side street - something that the cyclist and you obviously didn't think about. What do you want the truck driver to do, run over the pedestrians so the unaware, speeding cyclist won't run into the trailer? The cyclist had loads of time to stop for a tractor trailer if the cab had already made the turn and only the trailer remained in the cyclist's path.
Very mature
By Topham444
Wed, 03/25/2015 - 11:43am
of you to call a dead kid an idiot, Mark.
I can see you clearly have never biked this stretch of road before as I did every day for four years. Have you ever considered that cyclists often have to fly down this stretch of Comm Ave because they're trying to ride with the flow of car traffic to avoid the bike lane all together? Every single day people double parked in it, swung their doors open without looking, pulled out of or into parking spots without looking, etc. I often rode in the vehicle lane next to the bike lane to avoid all of these things.
This cycle track takes care of all of those problems on that stretch and will keep 99% of cyclists out of the way of cars on Comm Ave.
I conducted an observational study of cyclists on this stretch of Comm Ave at morning and evening rush hour for a paper while in school and found that most cyclists observed did not violate red lights. The ones who did, around 10%, stopped to wait for all car traffic to pass and proceeded through the light only when it was safe for them to do so. I observed for about 10 hours in total and saw only one cyclist blow through a light at top speed. I see cars do this frequently so I'm not sure why you're disproportionately singling out speeding bicyclists as a "big problem."
Now don't bring actual local knowledge into this
By Sock_Puppet
Thu, 03/26/2015 - 6:21am
That stretch of road has more double-parked vehicles than any I commonly use. Rare would be the day you could actually ride down the entirety of the bike lane.
Yes it does.
By anon
Wed, 03/25/2015 - 10:23am
"Under the plan, officials will place physical barriers between bikes and vehicles at intersections, which will force drivers to slow down before turning. The change would help prevent the sort of “right-hook” collisions that killed Weigl."
Everybody will slow down a little at intersections
By jeffkinson
Wed, 03/25/2015 - 11:15am
Trucks (and cars) will still have to turn right across the protected bike lane at intersections, but the design encourages both drivers and cyclists to move slowly at these conflict points.
To make sure drivers move slowly, the crosswalk and bike lane is raised up to sidewalk level at most intersections. This encourages drivers to yield to pedestrians and cyclists, who have the right of way. In addition, some intersections will have curved barriers around part of the intersections, effectively acting as curb extensions to protect the bike lane and enforce slow turning speeds from drivers.
At the same time, some intersections slow down cyclists by curving the bike lane as it approaches the intersection, and/or by raising the elevation of the bike lane by a few inches.
They're also removing a handful of parking spaces before each intersection to ensure good visibility.
Has this been tested in the USA?
By Markk02474
Wed, 03/25/2015 - 11:27am
US bicyclists seem different from European bicyclists. Here, its the "enthusiast" class doing more of the cycling than in Europe, hence riders here go faster than those in Europe. That also means they don't like getting slowed down by amateur cyclists on narrow bike paths and tracks, so they take to the street.
Are there any studies of US cyclist behavior on these "traffic calming" measures for cyclists?
I'm afraid healthy, fearless cyclists won't even use the tracks and instead ride in the street where its faster, then produce more traffic congestion by taking the (narrowed) lane.
Yawn
By SwirlyGrrl
Wed, 03/25/2015 - 11:36am
Yes. See also NYC several years now.
I've also seen cycle tracks in a number of other US cities - they work just fine.
NYC's cycle tracks are full
By anon
Fri, 03/27/2015 - 3:21pm
NYC's cycle tracks are full of trash, pedestrians, and illegally parked cop cars. And hardly any cyclists.
I think I saw one cyclist once, and he was going the wrong way.
Here, its the "enthusiast"
By Scratchie
Wed, 03/25/2015 - 11:39am
For a guy who hates bikes with a burning passion, you sure seem to know a lot about them. Can you post a link to your source for these facts?
Got his source right here!
By SwirlyGrrl
Wed, 03/25/2015 - 12:36pm
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/603rcrWUyxc/hqdefault.jpg
(warning: kind of graphic unless you are an anatomy geek)
Not gonna click
By Scratchie
Wed, 03/25/2015 - 1:24pm
[img]http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2013/02/nope.gif[/img]
I really don't think
By jeffkinson
Wed, 03/25/2015 - 2:35pm
I really don't think Americans in protected bike lanes bike any faster than Europeans in protected bike lanes. I think everyone bikes quickly when they have to mix with car traffic or when they're enjoying some rural scenery, and most people bike at a slower, more comfortable pace when they're in a protected bike lane in a city.
The "traffic calming" for an on-road protected bike lane is relatively new in the US, so I doubt there's any research. It is a common design element when an offroad bike path crosses a street.
The vast majority of cyclists will use the protected bike lane, but a handful may ride in the road. But most of them are probably riding in the road already to avoid the door-zone bike lane, so that certainly won't increase congestion. And the general travel lanes won't be any narrower than they already are.
Thanks for actual answers
By Markk02474
Wed, 03/25/2015 - 4:56pm
[quote]The "traffic calming" for an on-road protected bike lane is relatively new in the US, so I doubt there's any research. It is a common design element when an offroad bike path crosses a street.[/quote]
In Arlington, bicyclists have been opposed to every effort to add traffic calming on the Minuteman path. They don't want chicanes approaching dangerous at-grade street crossings. They don't want traffic lights they might have to obey at Lake Street, and they sure don't want any sort of rumble strip or pavement sipes to notify them of upcoming intersections.
Lexington has had more success with having installed a traffic light at a Minuteman crossing. Reportedly it has 75% compliance by path users.
blah blah blah
By SwirlyGrrl
Wed, 03/25/2015 - 5:02pm
blahblahblahblahblahblah
Funny how you pointed to this person's opinion, rather than the actual research and experience in the US that has been cited here already.
Actual answer. HAHAHAHA ... more like "only answer mark wanted to see".
Short-sighted Herald Article
By dMc
Wed, 03/25/2015 - 9:23am
Ugh, that Herald article gets me all riled up. 73 parking meters are more important than the lives and safety of Boston's citizens?
And what about the 134 meters that BU purchased in 2012? No outrage on that? Oh, right, they paid $11 million for those streets..
Michael Flaherty can't figure out how to come up with $341 grand per year? Maybe start ticketing the daily violations that both cars and bikes are making along that stretch of Comm Ave everyday. Maybe put up red-light cameras across the city that would simultaneously earn money and increase safety. Maybe stop selling out the city to overpriced contractors. Maybe take a pay cut.. I dunno, figure it out!!
Or why don't you go down there on foot right now and look at how many cars around Kenmore Square are parked IN THE STREET. Don't bring up the money you spent on snow removal when the job isn't even finished.
Short-sighted Herald Article?
By Scratchie
Wed, 03/25/2015 - 9:39am
Perish forbid!
In other news, water wet, fire hot.
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By SwirlyGrrl
Wed, 03/25/2015 - 12:35pm
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Good
By spin o rama
Wed, 03/25/2015 - 9:34am
This is my daily route for the past 4 years and there is a desperate need to change along Comm Ave.
This is a major route that has its own issues beyond cycling infrastructure. The nightmare that is the BU Bridge intersection was at its absolute worst this winter with the snow and traffic jamming up the streets. Some police details would have helped but we never got that and its only a band-aid for the days they would be there.
Daily route question
By Sock_Puppet
Thu, 03/26/2015 - 6:23am
So how do you get from inbound Comm Ave onto the BU Bridge on a bicycle?
Two-stage turn
By anon
Thu, 03/26/2015 - 5:25pm
Standard procedure for any tricky left turn: ride past, pull over, wait for light to change.
Or you could go thru the loop around with the cars, but no point, really.
SNAFU
By Sock_Puppet
Fri, 03/27/2015 - 4:39am
Yeah, that's what I do - if it's not stop at the red, go left over the crosswalks short of the intersection…
I was wondering if you'd figured out anything better than that. Given how popular a commuting route that is, it'd be nice if something easier were figured out.
Good idea
By anon
Wed, 03/25/2015 - 9:45am
Putting bike lanes behind parked cars actually makes sense - cars are separated from bikes, and all the potential cutlets on fixies will be forced to slow down and look around when they get to an intersection instead of jumping right into the meatgrinder. However, there's absolutely no reason to make them six feet wide and add a physical barrier. Keep them the same width and just repaint the markings instead of spending millions to rebuild the whole damn street.
Brilliant idea
By Scratchie
Wed, 03/25/2015 - 9:58am
Because if there's one thing Boston motorists respect, it's painted markings!
Yes
By cybah
Wed, 03/25/2015 - 10:01am
because it's worked out so well for the Silver Line washington street and the multitude of bike lanes we have throughout the city.
/s
Well then
By anon
Wed, 03/25/2015 - 11:02am
How about we ticket the peckerheads who park in bike lanes, and ticket the peckerheads who ride in traffic instead of their very own bike lanes? Say what you want, but bikes were not designed to be ridden in traffic where cars move twice or three times as fast and weigh 20 times as much (or 200 times if we're talking about a heavy truck.) Keep bikes between parked cars and curbs, away from traffic, and have them make left turns (cross the street) with pedestrians instead of playing frogger. Sure, that will slow you down, but getting to your destination a few minutes late won't kill you. Getting run over by a 20 ton garbage truck, on the other hand, certainly will.
ugh, stop.
By tape
Wed, 03/25/2015 - 11:52am
You can't ticket someone who is doing what they are legally allowed to do, you know, under the law. Cyclists are entitled to take a full lane of traffic if biking safely demands it. Unfortunately, drivers either don't know that or don't care.
Rights belong to people
By SwirlyGrrl
Wed, 03/25/2015 - 12:37pm
They don't belong to machinery.
Think about that for a moment. These roads existed before cars did. Drivers don't even pay the full cost of them.
It goes both ways
By anon
Wed, 03/25/2015 - 12:58pm
If you can't have cars in bike lanes, you shouldn't have bikes in car lanes, simple as that. Either stay in your dedicated lanes, or quit whining and keep playing frogger. And, just in case you didn't know, roads existed before bikes did.
So you drive on the sidewalk
By SwirlyGrrl
Wed, 03/25/2015 - 1:14pm
You really need some basic understanding of how the laws work, and how cars have no rights and using one conveys no rights, only responsibilities.
There is a right for people to use the public ways. There is no right to drive.
And, just in case you didn't
By erik g
Wed, 03/25/2015 - 1:16pm
The scales have fallen from my eyes. From here on out, public roadways in Boston shall be used only by horsedrawn carriage, rickshaw cart, or the Roman Praetorian Guard.
And just in case YOU didn't know
By Sally
Wed, 03/25/2015 - 1:28pm
Bikes existed before cars did. So neener neener. And yes please--if you're suggesting that every street in Boston have a marked bike lane free from snow, ice, trash, double-parked cars, moving cars, etc. I agree with you completely! Let's build them and I absolutely promise to ride in them. K??
Campaign for Good Roads
By SwirlyGrrl
Wed, 03/25/2015 - 2:09pm
It wasn't about cars. It was cyclists organizing to get the roads properly graded, paved, and maintained.
Actually, was it Huntington or Comm Ave that was originally designed with dedicated cycling lanes (but no motor vehicle lanes)?
They're redoing the street anyway
By jeffkinson
Wed, 03/25/2015 - 11:22am
They were already planning to rebuild the entire street practically from scratch anyway, so the cost is more or less the same regardless of how the bike lane is configured. Major streets like Comm Ave usually undergo a complete rebuild like this every 30-40 years. The difference is just that BTD decided to move the bike lanes to a safer location rather than just rebuilding the current configuration.
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