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Medford detective put on leave after dashcam catches him screaming at motorist

Including a threat about how he could "put a hole right through your head" after stopping somebody making a wrong turn in a rotary, WCVB reports.

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...who needs to be relieved of his badge and his right to own a firearm.

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And the legislature gave them the special privilege to take home assault weapons and keep them even once retired.

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There's no excuse for his behavior, but I can at least begin to understand why some cops develop the mentality that they're untouchable and can do whatever they want. Whether it's "professional courtesy" or "LE exemption" in the law, they're pretty much set up for it.

It's scary that some people can't protect themselves depending on their town of residence. It's even scarier when guys in this video are not only exempt from those laws, but they're supposed to be the ones protecting the community.

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This is a verbal assault AND the cop threatens to commit capital murder! He needs to go to jail!!! If we said this to someone., i GAURANTEE we would be arrested!

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Gotta love the comment section:

Plus driving with a web cam is creepy...more so than an off-duty detective pulling someone over. Sounds like someone wants to be a cop...or a reporter!

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"In before NotAllCops?" Are you implying that people who believe that it's a lie to say not every police officer drives drunk and has a record of various illegal infractions?

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Try again, please?

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Are you implying that people who believe that it's a lie to say not every police officer drives drunk and has a record of various illegal infractions?

That's not a complete sentence, but I think the point is that it doesn't matter if 99% of cops are fine, upstanding, helpful people, when you have crazy armed fuckwits like this douchebag running around with a badge. .

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...that it's not enough if 99% (or 99.9%, or ANY percent) of cops are fine upstanding etc., if laws and practices and cop culture do not restrain the 1% who are abusive psychos. That's the whole problem. The "few bad apples" argument is bullshit if you don't DO anything about the bad apples. It doesn't matter how small the percentage -- if nothing is done to check them, if nothing is done to rein them in, if they can act with impunity, they'll do limitless damage.

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Your example proves the "few bad apples" argument is not bullshit at all. The expression isn't "Eh, it's just a few bad apples, don't worry about it." The expression is "A few bad apples spoils the bunch." Meaning that once a few have gone bad you need to trash the whole barrel because rot spreads.

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Or take the "rotten" one out now before it spoils the rest

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To that comment, where have you been the past couple of years ? Cops choking, beating shooting, tasing, etc. people for minor non violent actions like selling loose cigarettes. The guy in Baltimore where they broke his back and still threw him in the back of the Paddy Wagon even though his legs didn't seem to work.

Then there's the cases where the cops dash cam or lapel cam wasn't turned on or somehow got erased. I wonder how that happened ?

If this guy didn't have a camera and he tries to appeal the ticket ("driving to endanger" sound a bit exaggerated), he'd have a major traffic incident on his record, a steep fine and 6 years of paying $600.00 per year surcharge.

Witnesses said that they are doing construction there. Maybe the construction workers didn't put up the detour arrows before they left. He didn't intend to go the wrong way ! He was following the GPS directions that didn't take account for construction detour work, maybe ? GPS devices have been know to take people to the edge of cliffs.

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Apparently someone in the department uses reddit and says the guy has a long-standing reputation.

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Can't see it on the regular reddit page. Plus all the Medford PD guy's post are deleted, although there is a screen capture of his comments.

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It's high time that police and political leadership start taking action against the (fortunately ) occasional authoritarian cops who operate outside the boundaries of department procedure and standard practices - sometimes becoming lawbreakers.

This is not a new story and has been going on for years. What is new is that today video cameras are ubiquitous and we are now routinely seeing video of bad police behavior. Leaders need to start taking steps to emphasize police civility and make clear that abusing citizens in routine a interactions is a severe - job threatening action.

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authoritarianism is built into how police are trained and equipped and how we are trained to submit to them.

police with an inflated sense of superiority and physical dominance is not a bug in the system, it's a feature. not all of them will go so far as to actually put a bullet through someone's head, but a good portion of them are just apathetic and "closed-ranks brotherhood" enough to allow a colleague to reach that point.

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I usually don't respond to folks who have ideological differences with my posts, but figure that people will either agree/disagree or think abiut what I say. However on this occasion, the importance of the issue of abusive policing compells me to respond.

I deliberately used the word occasional for a couple of reasons.

1. As a layperson, I only have my my own experiences and what I read - ranging from newspapers and books. In my experience I have seen both Police Officers who should not be on the force and others who have performed acts of great tenderness and compassion.
2. Although I have my personal beliefs, In writing my thoughts about this issue, I chose to focus on what is provable as opposed to the much more nebulous and divisive "he said/she said" examples.
3. My goal in writing my few sentences was to craft a persuasive argument aimed at the perhaps majority of people to whom this question is relatively new, not preaching to the choir.

I have to take issue with your assertion that "Authoritarianism" is a function of training. I could have been more clear in my writing, but I was describing the employment of particularly authoritarian personalities as Police. One has to simply contrast the unfocused rage of the Medford detective with the measured tone of the second cop - Bad Cop/Good Cop.

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I'm a giant nerd and I've got no issues paying lots of $$ for technology - however even I went with a $70 dashcam and it is an amazing value for the money. They are *incredibly* cheap these days. Best review/recommendation site is the original https://dashcamtalk.com/ forum folks -- lots of copycat sites with affiliate links have popped up to mirror their look and feel but the original dashcam talk site has been all over this topic forever now with good advice, reviews and recommendations.

Operated my camera as an experiment for a few months with an ugly dangling power cable. It's been good enough that my next stop is going to be a car shop that will stealthily install the power cable inside the roof liner up near the rear view mirror assembly. I'll probably pay 2x the cost of the camera or more just to have the wires stealthily/cleanly installed -- that is how cheap the camera rigs are these days!

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Note that in Massachusetts we have a very strict and unusual law against doing audio recording that might be perceived as eavesdropping. Basically, all parties have to consent, unlike in other states where only one party has to consent.

Judges have ruled that a conspicuous recording device that's not trying to be hidden is okay, though. The law is against hidden recording devices, not openly recording in public. Speaking in the presence of a conspicuous recording device is tantamount to consent, although explicit consent is preferable.

So you might want to make your camera as obvious as possible.

If you're really worried, don't take the word of someone on the internet, and ask your own lawyer.

All this applies to audio, not video in public places, which is okay anywhere there is no expectation of privacy.

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My camera is visible if you look at the rear view mirror assembly; I just want to hide the wiring so the install looks clean and tidy.

But your advice mirrors what others have told me so by default the camera does not record audio unless you go out of your way to push a button. It records video constantly but audio only when a special button is pressed.

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It's legal to videotape the police, in public, in all 50 states

Now, whether or not you'll still be arrested on trumped-up charges so that they can confiscate the video is another question entirely. I also have a $70 cheapo dash cam, and am trying out various live-streaming options so I can upload compressed video in realtime (or something close to it) when the situation seems especially volatile. You sound like you've done some reading; any recommendations for services?

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both cops about the dash cam, very clearly. What's kind of freaky is that both, it sounds like, at some point threaten to confiscate the camera even though I'm guessing they have no legal authority to do so. Still--if they'd grabbed it or grabbed a cellphone while someone was recording...it'd be very hard to prove. I feel as if we'll see more of that now that dash and phone cameras are emerging as a powerful tool against this kind of thing.

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Depending on your car, you might already have a wiring harness up there with a 12v ignition wire. If not, you can run some wire up the a-pillar from either a fuse tap or a 12v ignition-on wire under the wheel. Pretty handy if the cam records as soon as it has power, cause then it will just fire up when the car is started. I used a 12v wire to microUSB adapter for mine (amazon), but am looking for a smaller camera. What kind do you have, if you don't mind answering.

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I just listened to the first few minutes of the dash cam recording and had to turn it off. So what if the driver had been a woman? Is a woman supposed to stop her car for every guy who starts swearing at her in traffic and tells her "I could put a hole through your head"? This guy wasn't in uniform. I would never open my window or car door for some enraged stranger in an unmarked car who was swearing at me. What woman would? So how is this behavior in any way acceptable for an off duty cop, not in uniform? A person who behaves like this is putting all of us in danger and has no business being on a police force.

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So if he wasn't a cop he would have beat the shit out of a guy for a traffic violation?
To protect and serve.....good job asshole.

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Not detective LeBert's first time on camera.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJSWshkoyps

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Unprofessional. Bullying. Sanctimonious. Abusive. Strip him of his badge and his gun and bring him up on charges. This guy needs to be locked up.

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This guy has more business being in an orange jumpsuit than carrying a badge. Are charges from the Middlesex DA forthcoming? For starters:

  • Brandishing
  • Assault
  • Disturbing the peace
  • Kidnapping
  • Firearm felony enhancement
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I would have attempted to flee as well if some unidentified, aggressive shithead blocked me in, started yelling, and was closing in while reaching for something. Like the driver said, he had no idea who this angry guy was; not that his position as LE makes it at all excusable.

You can tell this cop has issues, because when that's calmly brought to his attention that he's not even in uniform, he just brings up the driver's mistake with the rotary.

Really hope this goes somewhere. This is not the kind of guy who should be protecting and serving.

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Roids and booze are a bad combination

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That place is notoriously poorly lit. I hate riding through it on a bicycle at night. It's easy to see how a motorist entering this dark place from a brightly lit road can become confused.

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Allegedly it is this one, which is another terrible rotary. The linked video shows someone else making the same mistake. I have never driven through it without getting cutoff, which you can also see in this same video.

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Judging by the direction of travel (eastbound on MA60/High St.) my guess is that it's the small rotary at High St. and Winthrop St. It's been under construction for some while now, a fair bit of the signage has been taken down or is otherwise missing, the traffic pattern is confusing, and the sight lines are poor. I'm not surprised that someone unfamiliar with the intersection took a wrong turn at night.

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Many drivers use that rotary to save several minutes of needless traffic backup that occurs on Rt. 16 because it was narrowed from four lanes to two lanes decades ago. From Arlington, I take route 60 through West Medford Center to the rotary, to route 38, then to route 16 instead of getting on route 16 much farther back where it has backed up from being narrowed. The story is that some Medford City counselor owned properties along Rt. 16 and wanted higher resale value for them so pushed for the road narrowing. A pedestrian jaywalking death played conveniently into it. This, some 35 or so years ago.

As for the rotary, it is dark at night and big yellow/black retro-reflective signs in the middle opposite each entrance with chevrons like >>>>>> would just ruin the landscaping of the center island.

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Many drivers use that rotary to save several minutes of needless traffic backup that occurs on Rt. 16 because it was narrowed from four lanes to two lanes decades ago.

Because that stretch of Rt. 16 *never* got backed up when it was four lanes. Not even once.

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apparently it's called "Winthrop Square"?

https://goo.gl/maps/AVd3i

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The driver said it was at High and Grove streets, not a circle at all, which is kind of weird. A reddit reader surmised that it was here:

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.422153,-71.136963,3a,75y,137.87h,71.55t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sHtU52YM_FRIb7MFRAn5bwA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en

but I didn't see confirmation of that.

The spot where he was pulled over seems to be a ways beyond that, around 12 High Street, judging from the businesses seen. But I don't know Medford well so I could be totally full of it. (Can you tell I have WAY too much time on my hands today?)

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That Island has a non-compliant, barely visible, little black on white do not enter sign instead of the MUTCD standard red/white do not enter sign. A KEEP RIGHT sign there could also help. Nobody can read the sign there at the posted speed limit at night in time to avoid an error.

This is a failure by the City of Medford, not the driver.

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Do You Know Why I’m Pulling You Over, Being Wildly Aggressive, And Charging You With Assault Today, Sir?

http://www.theonion.com/blogpost/do-you-know-why-im-pulling-you-over-bei...

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Of course they did! You all salivate at the thought of one bad cop..

But Adam posts dozens and dozens of stories on BPD disarming gun-wielding criminals without firing a single shot, and it's crickets in the comment section.

I wish my husband wasn't a cop. I wish he worked in an office like most of you.

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Of course they did! You all salivate at the thought of one bad cop..

No, we all live in fear of being arrested, assaulted or murdered by some psycho with a badge.

Tell your husband that if he and his superiors held their fellow officers to a higher standard of behavior, people might not be so obsessed over bad cops.

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But Adam posts dozens and dozens of stories on BPD disarming gun-wielding criminals without firing a single shot, and it's crickets in the comment section.

When good cops do good things, we praise them.

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HOORAY for officers that adequately do their jobs, good for them!

I wish I could demand effusive praise for simply fulfilling the job requirements that I signed up for voluntarily in the first place.

Also, 'dozens'? Come on...

Given that police tout their close, impenetrable brotherhood in which the behavior of one reflects on the rest, you'd expect them to clean house a little more often and stop protecting psychopaths.

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Adam posts dozens and dozens of stories on BPD disarming gun-wielding criminals without firing a single shot, and it's crickets in the comment section.

Right, like this one.

The real question is, why do your husband and his colleagues stand behind abusive sociopaths like LeBert?

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with a deadly weapon? A serious threat?

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because he didn't have a change of address sticker on the back of his license when moving from Lowell to Malden. Between that, all the expirations the RMV didn't used to notify people of, and illegals driving, that's a lot of fine revenue from this one thing.

Now, if the guy had only been riding a bicycle the wrong way through a rotary with a Go-Pro, nothing would have happened to him. No tickets, no fines, no court appearances. Nothing.

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Now, if the guy had only been riding a bicycle the wrong way through a rotary with a Go-Pro, nothing would have happened to him. No tickets, no fines, no court appearances. Nothing.

You're so full of irrelevant shit your eyes are brown, MarKKK. Now say something that reflects your unhealthy fascination with gay men, do.

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Cyclists don't pay anything for traffic tickets. $20 tickets have no consequences if unpaid. When there are stings at the BU bridge, cyclists are rewarded for running red lights with free bike helmets.

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Repeating a lie doesn't make it true or relevant, MarKKK.

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Am I Jim Lokay at WCVB-TV doing a news story and broadcasting it full of false information sourced with false information from Tufts Medical center researchers? Or are you claiming I am someone else, also fabricating all that?

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I'm sure there will be a thread next week where you'll be able to make a relevant contribution. You're not making one here, so run along and let the grownups talk.

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Repeating a lie doesn't make it true or relevant, MarKKK. Or should we just call you Derail Boy?

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I watched the vidio and that cop is A punk and gives the good cops that help us everyday A bad rap. either fire this guy or sent him to detox

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