Kathleen Powers asks: If bikes aren't allowed on Davis Square's narrow sidewalks, why are Segways? Especially Segways being ridden side by side by people advertising some bank?
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And especially people advertising a non-Davis Square bank
By Ron Newman
Mon, 08/25/2008 - 6:28pm
Davis Square has seven bank branches already. None of them are Tedious BankNorth. We do not need any more banks in the square.
How would you write that ordinance?
By SwirlyGrrl
Mon, 08/25/2008 - 6:39pm
It would be difficult to write an ordinance that didn't exclude either the use of Segways by the mobility impaired, the use of electric wheelchairs, or both.
We have laws about dogs that
By ShadyMilkMan
Mon, 08/25/2008 - 6:54pm
We have laws about dogs that "discriminate" against non impaired dog owners. Just use the same logic and language for segways. Also we have special handicapt parking as well, Im sure its possible to exclude mobile people from using segways on sidewalks if there were enough of them to really bother with.
Do you know how these laws are written though?
By eeka
Mon, 08/25/2008 - 8:21pm
The disability placard law is different, because it requires medical documentation to get one.
But the right to take a wheelchair or a service animal basically anywhere is granted under the ADA, a federal law. In order to exercise this right, one just has to present with a wheelchair and/or a service animal. One doesn't need any license or documentation in most circumstances to exercise these rights. A business owner can't require someone to present a wheelchair license in order to use it on the property. The ADA requires nothing whatsoever to be able to use a wheelchair. To use a service animal, the animal has to be performing specific tasks that help the person be more independent.
A Segway is going to be different though, because some people do use them because of limited stamina, but most others use them just for fun, utility, whatever.
Not many people use a wheelchair just for fun or have a hobby of taking an animal everywhere while keeping it under extreme control and giving it commands to perform tasks for them. Very few people abuse their right to take a wheelchair or service animal somewhere, because it would frankly be a pain in the ass to use these supports if you can do the tasks without them.
So, if you had a law that people could only use Segways for mobility reasons, people who use them for mobility reasons would then need to produce documentation or at the very least explanation that it's tough for them to walk long distances, and this would mean that the local law was violating the ADA by requiring people to explain their disability (asking for explanation or documentation is only allowed in long-term circumstances such as renting a house or asking for accommodations at work -- it isn't generally allowed for the right to take your animal or wheelchair onto property). If the Segway law was similar to the service animal law (where all that can be asked is "is this a service animal?"), then this wouldn't deter very many people from using Segways, since people know they can't be asked for documentation. "Is your Segway for mobility purposes?" "Sure is."
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do people with bonafide
By pierce
Mon, 08/25/2008 - 10:55pm
do people with bonafide disabilities use the segway? Maybe I'm insensitive, but it seems to me if you're able to stand and balance you would be able to walk. If you're just out of shape, lazy, or even asthmatic, is that really a "handicap" by the standards of parking placards?
Yes
By SwirlyGrrl
Mon, 08/25/2008 - 11:08pm
If you don't have balance problems and can stand, it doesn't mean that you can actually walk, say, across campus, around a store, etc. Why use a chair when a segway is cheaper, and lets you stand up?
Here's one example. Here is another. Here are even more still!
Sure they do
By tknetman
Sat, 08/30/2008 - 8:13am
I take medications for a couple of conditions that can make me weak enough that I would qualify for a placard if I bothered to apply for one. One of the underlying conditions can also mess me up for spells ranging from a day to a week that make me weak enough to meet the standard. The conditions forced me to give up my drivers license and I pretty much can't ride a bike any more on any regular basis. So the segway is making my life halfway normal.
When I'm able, I ride the segway to commute across Cambridge to North Station. I wouldn't bother to roam around Harvard on it just because it would be a giant pain to try to get through the throngs of people on the narrow sidewalks. What's the point? Instead I just ride on the side streets, pop on the sidewalk long enough to get to a post to lock up and park. It's just easier for everyone. I could care less about window shopping.
Bear in mind, though, that if the police were to stop me and ask for whatever reason (it's only come up once in 18 months) that the standard that I am held to in violating any ordinance is in the ADA, not whether I have a placard or not. Many more people will meet the ADA standard. Well, maybe not the lazy ones. :)
Here is Cambridge's ordinance
By dirtywater77
Tue, 08/26/2008 - 7:08pm
ELECTRONIC PERSONNAL [sic] ASSISTIVE MOBILITY DEVICE
A motorized self-balancing device that transports an individual standing on a platform between two wheels and including an upright handle.
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No person shall ride a scooter, inline skate, skateboard or electronic personnal assistive mobility device on any sidewalk within a Business District as defined in Article 1.
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So there you go. Disability or not, Cambridge says you can't ride a Segway in a business district. Of course that didn't stop those obnoxious BankNorth guys from trying to maneuver them through crowded Central Square sidewalks during the Cambridge Carnival last Sunday.
ADA trumps Cambridge Ordinance
By SwirlyGrrl
Tue, 08/26/2008 - 7:36pm
As eeka explained elsewhere, Cambridge can say whatever they like about where segways can and can't go. HOWEVER, if the device is for mobility assistance for a person with mobility limitations, the city has no legal authority to restrict such segway use.
City ordinance is trumped by Federal Law.
I may be wrong, but I could
By ShadyMilkMan
Tue, 08/26/2008 - 9:02pm
I may be wrong, but I could have sworn I saw two officers on Segways in Harvard Square last year during a festival... I can only guess that Harvard Square is a business district, although I may be wrong.
Curious
By tknetman
Sat, 08/30/2008 - 8:18am
Did you notice whether it looked like Cambridge or Harvard U police? And roughly where they would have been? Just curious...
Just Stick Up Some Damn Signs
By braintraining
Mon, 08/25/2008 - 6:42pm
You could go there in the dead of night and stick up "no-segways" signs, lol, that ought to stop em'.
San Fran banned segway's on
By mattm78
Mon, 08/25/2008 - 7:43pm
San Fran banned segway's on sidewalks years ago.
Segways for fun
By Jiffywoob
Tue, 08/26/2008 - 1:30am
Speaking of Segways, anyone seen this dude around town? Segway Abe...frickin' awesome.