By adamg on Tue., 8/25/2015 - 6:19 pm

Oh, yeah, there's a reason you're not supposed to let your dog run wild through the Arboretum. Joe Growhoski reports these fliers about off-leash killers are now posted at the Arboretum: They kill the local wildlife, bite kids and bike riders, trample new plantings and shit all over the place. Stop it, the Arboretum implores.
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For God's sake...
By lbb
Tue, 08/25/2015 - 10:20pm
Just for once, try not to be an inappropriate, irrelevant douchebag.
But
By anon
Wed, 08/26/2015 - 8:10pm
Thezak didn't even post on this topic yet?
Peter's Hill...
By JPMom
Tue, 08/25/2015 - 8:19pm
has been a de facto dog park for years. Everyone knows that. Never have I seen a Park Ranger patrolling, if they even exist anymore. And now, the unleashed dogs and their owners have been spilling across Bussey St. to the main Arbs. I have had my own unpleasant encounters with them over the years. I'm very sorry this magnificent bird was taken down. Maybe people will pay attention now. But, will there be any enforcement, Harvard University?
Public shame offenders
By JohnAKeith
Tue, 08/25/2015 - 9:23pm
I wouldn't expect the Aboretum staff to be able to stop visitors from letting their dogs off leash.
We all share a responsibility to publicly shame the offenders. I recommend doing it often.
While you're at it, you an also visit your local CVS, where it seems anything goes and dog owners bring their pets in, all day, every day.
Why not?
By lbb
Tue, 08/25/2015 - 10:21pm
Take pictures of the people and the mutts, post 'em on a website, put 'em on flyers, name and shame.
Surprised that they haven't
By anon
Tue, 08/25/2015 - 10:26pm
Surprised that they haven't publicly identified the dog's owner. Are they certain it was someone's dog and not a fox or coyote?
According to the WCVB
By cw in boston
Wed, 08/26/2015 - 10:07am
report, they are looking for witnesses. That may imply that no one saw the dogs. There are coyotes in there at night. I can hear them.
Dog owners can be bitches
By Daan
Tue, 08/25/2015 - 10:49pm
When I've asked dog owners with off leash dogs to leash their dog it's my head that is nearly bitten off. Mainly because I don't want any dog that I don't know coming up to mine. Unless I know the dog stay away from me and mine.
If more folks were to push back on irresponsible dog owners then maybe they would get the message. But most folks want to avoid any kind of hassle and so ignore them or actually assume that there is nothing wrong with unleashed dogs even if they keep their dogs leashed.
The Arboretum staff are not police. They rent (albeit for a very long time) the land which is Arnold Arboretum. For any enforcement the legal action has to be taken by the city.
The Arboretum staff has for several years been asking people to leash their dogs. They don't shout the request with giant signs. As for following rules of the park I think it comes down to the honor system and peer pressure.
I should mention that I've read comments here from people who believe that they should be able to let their dogs off leash. I suppose they're not responding today because the death of a beautiful bird by an off leash dog pretty much ends any argument they might make before they make it.
It isn't just the Arboretum.
By anon
Tue, 08/25/2015 - 11:18pm
You will find signage posting dog rules everywhere with dog scofflaws ignoring them near at hand.
You have several flavors. Dumb lazy guys are reasonably common. I had one mutt try to eat my spinach pie as I sat having lunch up on the Wenham Canal. There are also high strung guys who yell commands at the things to seem more masculine.
In a way, this is slightly preferable to the slobbering baby talk middle aged crones favor. The crones are the absolute worst combining residual entitlement, bitterness and dog love hysteria.
https://youtu.be/A5IZobXdJyE
My theory on the bitterness is that the dog is a stand in for failed relations with someone, usually a man. It seems like an abstraction too, as many use these tennis ball tosser devices because they don't want to touce the mutt slobbered ball, even though it's beloved poochie.
They are basically so loathsome that I smile and thank my stars I'm not waking up to one.It's kind of infantile too.
Then you get the pro dog walkers who charge yuppies 60 to 90 bucks a mutt and run through places with up to seven of the things in tandem.
As much as I like canids and respect people with a clue about owning them, modern mutt pests are the epitome of the ugly american in our time.
I called the Franklin Park folks
By Sally
Wed, 08/26/2015 - 10:31am
recently to mention the dog walkers I've seen there--this particular one had NINE DOGS with her--all off-leash and shitting everywhere. She had zero control over them, "didn't see" as literally three dogs took huge dumps, and then blithely walked up the path. I called her out and she went back and cleaned up at least one but ugh...if she's there every day, you can imagine.
Trouble understanding
By I.g
Wed, 08/26/2015 - 1:40am
Not trolling I promise, but whats the problem with a dog killing and eating a bird? Thats kinda how it works doesnt it? We are the ones that try to feed them dried crap pellets instead of raw meat.. Seriously whats wrong with a dog killing a bird?
because damnit!!!
By polarbare
Wed, 08/26/2015 - 8:57am
Herons are "beautiful" and "majestic" while rats, pigeons, etc etc are not. Classic case of "fluffy bunny" syndrome - If they were a pest or nuisance, no one would give a crap, but since they're pretty, it's a national tragedy.
People will get mad at this, but it's true.
And to throw my $.02 in as a former dog owner, keep your damn dogs on a leash.
"Some animals are more equal
By anon
Wed, 08/26/2015 - 10:31am
"Some animals are more equal than others"
#Factsoflife
I
By whyaduck
Wed, 08/26/2015 - 9:45am
believe a better way to look at this issue is that the Great Blue Heron was killed because of an irresponsible dog owner who let his dog off leash in an on leash public park. The "bird" would probably not of been killed if the killer dog was on leash.
This is not about FIDO running around the dog owner's backyard and killing a pigeon, although pigeons have rights too.
People cut down trees too
By Sally
Wed, 08/26/2015 - 10:34am
but if someone showed up in the Arboretum with a saw and started hacking away, that'd be wrong, right? It's a sanctuary, not a wilderness.
Because it is actually a federal crime...
By Slapshotgoon
Wed, 08/26/2015 - 2:28pm
To interfere with or destroy migratory birds, for one. There is also a leash law, to prevent harm to other dogs, wildlife, and humans. There are laws in place for a reason--do some basic research and you'll see. Also, I guarantee you this dog did not eat this bird. Coyotes live in the Arboretum, and they don't attack Great Blue Herons.
About the felony, true thing
By lbb
Wed, 08/26/2015 - 5:52pm
...and I know of at least one person who has gone to prison for it in this here Commonwealth. You "just-a-bird"ers better keep that in mind.
Because...
By lbb
Wed, 08/26/2015 - 5:51pm
...it's Boston, not the call of the fucking wild. Seriously what kind of numbnuts advocates turning dogs loose in a city to hunt for their food?
Ok--
By Sally
Wed, 08/26/2015 - 11:44pm
You are constant burr under my saddle but that made me LOL. Call of the Fucking Wild...ha!
Off-leash dogs are not
By friend of parks
Wed, 08/26/2015 - 7:27am
Off-leash dogs are not allowed in any City of Boston park (except for designated dog run spaces).
http://m.cityofboston.gov/Parks/rules.asp
Dogs aren't a problem for Herons
By Ryry
Wed, 08/26/2015 - 8:15am
I'm pretty sure it was sick and dying already if it managed to get caught by domestic dogs. They're pretty common in the warmer parts of the US and they're rarely killed by dogs. Turkey vultures, crows and raccoons kill a ton of babies and eggs, and gators will eat them if they can. Cats also kill a lot of the babies since many of them nest in shallow water, but dogs are super noisy so the birds hear them coming and fly away. These birds are also pretty aggressive with their bills, and will fight back if forced to. If you're really worried about the flight of the Great Blue Heron you'd be way better off banning crows and raccoons from the park.
Again, I say...
By whyaduck
Wed, 08/26/2015 - 9:27am
not the issue. The issue is that a dog owner was letting his dog run off leash in a park where the dogs should be on leash.
For the life of me, why is this difficult to comprehend?
And how in heaven's name do you know the bird was sick and dying? Good God. This was the resident (notice the word "resident) Blue Heron in the park and I am reasonably sure that the park's staff kept an eye on it in sickness and health and, in this unfortunate instance, death.
I think
By cw in boston
Wed, 08/26/2015 - 10:15am
there is a slight exaggeration here. In past years I would see the heron often. This year I have only seen one three times and I walk there twice a day with my leashed dog. I assumed it was because the ponds there are more brackish this year than other years and less attractive to the heron "fishing."
I believe in obeying the leash laws. It is for everyone's safety including the dogs. When people let their dog run free, it reflects badly on all dog owners, since people can't seem to see the difference between those who care and those who are jerks.
And while I'm on the soapbox, can I ask parents to not let their kids run up to a strange dog without supervision and asking the dog owner if it is okay to pat the dog. I'm tired of having to be responsible for someone else's kids.
I got 99 problems
By Jay Z Heron's Ghost
Wed, 08/26/2015 - 4:23pm
And bitches ARE one, if it happened to be a female dog that killed me.
I did a bit of research on
By ROB
Fri, 08/28/2015 - 3:23pm
I did a bit of research on this… Herons, actually, are slow to lift off if they are frightened, or molting. I'm not advocating for either leash, or unleash, but I do have a dog. Google heron flight. We are not getting the full information on this event or all the facts. If there was a witness, I would have hoped that person would have tried to prevent this from happening. If the dog guardian is aware, he/she needs to have some integrity, and explain what exactly happened.
They could close it...Right?
By Ami
Wed, 08/26/2015 - 8:31am
I've stopped walking in the Arb primarily due to dogs off-leash. I LOVE dogs; however, it's the owners' constantly shouting their names as I am trying to enjoy being outside with nature and exercising that really put me over the edge.
You know - they don't have to have the areas open for pedestrians, do they? Couldn't they close the gates at any time?
We are fortunate to have the Arb - we should all be good stewards - that includes dog owners. There are many who follow the rules - don't get me wrong. Would love to see that there's a spot in Roslindale for a dog park to allow for off-leash exercise - but the Arb isn't your dog park.
Much of the Arb
By cw in boston
Wed, 08/26/2015 - 1:06pm
is open. Many of the fences came down years ago. So it is impossible to prevent access.
I've seen dog owners walk
By anon
Wed, 08/26/2015 - 8:36am
I've seen dog owners walk their dogs on and off leash through Mt. Auburn Cemetery in Cambridge where dogs are prohibited for obvious reasons if you have any sense of common decency. Dogs urinate on the graves and dog owners think nothing of it! We've also seen dogs go after birds and bark at cemetery visitors. People who walk in the cem. regularly always alert the groundskeeper who promptly kicks them out. Clueless dog owners' sense of entitlement is off the charts.
Sigh.
By whyaduck
Wed, 08/26/2015 - 9:26am
This is very unfortunate and sad. I do love dogs. However, the off-leash dog issue in parks where they should be on a leash is a problem that has been going on for awhile. I love to run on trails but pretty much have given up since encountering (and I hate to say it) dog (the-rules-don't-apply to us) entitletards with the hostile attitude to match at Wilson Mountain Reservation (where I had six off leash dogs, from one owner, accost me), Millennium Park (dog jumping on me as I tried to run), and a park in Wellesley where I was tripped up and knocked over by an unleased dog who was not being owner curbed (and the owner with her hubby and kids in tow chastised me for somehow being the problem.)
The only way that this will be made better is if the rules are enforced by park staff walking around on a regular basis but that herein lies the problem.
I see so many off leash dogs in the Arboretum..
By anon
Wed, 08/26/2015 - 9:24am
...I had no idea there was even a rule that they had to be leashed. The Arboretum has obviously been lax in enforcing this. As the other posters mentioned, it would be much more pleasant to walk in the arboretum if there were not so many dogs running around.
It is having the dedicated person power
By whyaduck
Wed, 08/26/2015 - 9:44am
to enforce the rules, Anon.
But, I agree.
Rules?
By Sock_Puppet
Wed, 08/26/2015 - 10:14am
Rules may be enforced by the institution that mandates them.
Laws should be enforced by police and other public servants (e.g. Animal Control).
It's not a rule that dogs may not be off-leash in the Arboretum. It is a law. Arboretum personnel should tell dog owners to put their dogs on leash, and if they refuse, staff should call the police and Animal Control.
If the problem is so out of control that this means a steady stream of calls to police and Animal Control, so be it.
It would take a pretty heavy crackdown (yes, probably including impoundments and arrests) to solve the problem, but the problem will only get worse until something more serious than a strident flyer is attempted.
And laws
By whyaduck
Wed, 08/26/2015 - 10:52am
are considered a system of "rules". So, to further continue, one may say it is a rule of the law that dogs at the Arboretum be not off-leash.
Aside from that, I really do not give a damn who enforces the rules, laws or whatever you wish to call 'em. I would just like to see more enforcement of said rules and laws.
And, again, I don't know if you know how many staff the Arboretum has to enforce the rules of law, but apparently they do not have the extra person power to go all swat on the assess of the rule and/or law breakers.
I do agree with you that something has to be done, however. A public park should be able to be enjoyed by everyone.
"....but MY dog wouldn't do that"
By anon
Wed, 08/26/2015 - 10:06am
If only there were a group of people who were responsible for citing dog owners, some sort of...park ranger or animal control officer person perhaps? Oh wait they exist they just never give these entitled dog weirdos thecitations they deserve. Even the process is ludicrous since it requires a verbal warning be given first before a citation can be written. Surely they will remember all the verbal warnings. If you have a dog in boston and don't have the space for it then you are SOL, idc about your dog's aerobic needs or yall emotional bond. Keep your dumb dog leashed. I wonder if that heron is protected so the state or feds can get involved :)
How about us humans? And cats?
By Philip2
Wed, 08/26/2015 - 10:13am
Human beings have killed way more birds and animals than any of our dog species. Free roaming cats are estimated by the Audubon society to kill millions of birds every year.
What does that have to do
By anon
Wed, 08/26/2015 - 2:39pm
What does that have to do with an off-leash dog killing a blue heron in the Arboretum?
So, by this same reasoning...
By lbb
Wed, 08/26/2015 - 5:56pm
...since James Holmes killed 12 people, you won't mind if I kill just three or four? Because way less?
Your "logic" is the dumbest thing since dog sweaters.
It is possible that the Arboretum is capitalizing
By JP Runner
Wed, 08/26/2015 - 10:49am
on the natural death (via coyotes, or some other predator) of the heron to whip dog owners into shape.
If there are no witnesses to the attack, how are they sure that it was someone's dog or dogs? It could have been that the heron was attacked, killed, and the killer coyote was spooked by a biker or late night walker/runner, thus abandoning its prey.
Also, for people who are describing the arborteum as covered in dog s*** and who actively avoid it as a place to visit and as a running locale, are you kidding?
I run in there a few times a week usually on the Bussey Hill and Bussey Brook Meadow side, but also in the wild west of dog territory, Peter's Hill, and have seen plenty of off leash dogs, but more often than not, they are leashed. In traipsing around the arboretum I've never run into issues.
All this being said, if you are running and a poodle starts chasing you, start walking, or try to smack it. They are very prey driven and will get all up in your business.
No, it's not
By anon
Wed, 08/26/2015 - 2:31pm
I mean maybe it can't be concretely ruled out, but then we don't know for a fact that Adam didn't kill the heron to generate a hot topic. Sure, he might deny it, but if we don't have video proof, it's all hearsay, right?
Well, I've only seen the flyer, but
By JP Runner
Wed, 08/26/2015 - 3:33pm
regardless of the snark, it is odd that they are seeking witnesses, yet they are able to confirm that a dog/dogs killed the bird.
One would think that the owner would have been very close by and been able to have been apprehended/at least talked to.
"On the evening of Wednesday,
By JP anon
Thu, 08/27/2015 - 12:03pm
"On the evening of Wednesday, August 19, a great blue heron frequently seen in the ponds at the Arnold Arboretum was attacked and killed by off-leash dogs. The incident was witnessed by an Arboretum visitor and reported to staff the following day. This shocking and preventable death has deeply affected the Arboretum community, prompting the launch of a public information campaign in the Arboretum landscape to promote understanding and request visitor compliance with local leash laws."
http://www.arboretum.harvard.edu/attack-great-blue...
Irresponsible dog owners...
By ROB
Wed, 08/26/2015 - 12:31pm
I cherish our parks and am mostly responsible with my dog. I have problems with speeding bikes, and children who run up to my ferocious pet with no warning, hanging on the tree branches, and speeding down the hills on skate boards, or sleds. People leave the most trash or many bottles in which the regular dog walkers usually pick up. We all have are "pet" peeves. Do you all know you are not allowed to bring food and eat in the Arboretum (except for lilac Sunday)? Bicycles are not suppose to be on the non paved paths. Bicycles are not allowed at Millennium either (according to the signs). I am very upset about the heron. I love them. We, however, have enough to worry about than dogs off leash. Chill! I'm sure everybody on here complaining breaks the law in one way or the other. The park should be a place everyone can enjoy. It is the job of every one of us to be polite.
"My dog is friendly"
By peter
Wed, 08/26/2015 - 12:33pm
Every unleashed dog I see running towards me at a park means I have to stop relaxing and go on alert. Is this the one that's going to bite me, like that dalmatian did, despite the owner's assurances that it was friendly? I mean sure, the scar looks cool, but I don't need another one. Or is it "only" going to steal my burrito off my picnic blanket, like the one that "never" does anything like that, and whose owner ran away instead of apologizing or offering to replace the purloined lunch. #firstworldproblems? definitely. But not nearly as entitled as people who believe their dogs to be above the law.
The dog who stole your burrito
By anon
Wed, 08/26/2015 - 3:47pm
was an undercover ranger, enforcing the "no food in the arboretum" rule.
He got a promotion for that bust
Sorry about your lunch
By SwirlyGrrl
Thu, 08/27/2015 - 12:51am
You can rest assured that, by evening, revenge was probably yours - and Montezuma's, too. Either that, or sweet pampered puppy spent the night in the family bed launching chemical warfare bombs every few minutes.
All this arguing is
By Emily
Wed, 08/26/2015 - 12:46pm
All this arguing is ridiculous. You live in Massachusetts. There is a leash law. Period. "When your dog is off your property, it must be on a leash."
I have two small dogs and we have stopped walking in many areas because of large "friendly" dogs chasing us and growling. There was a dog attack a few weeks ago in the corridor.
If you can't leash your dog you should not have a dog or you should move to the woods and be off leash as much as you like.
Cites?
By Bob Leponge
Wed, 08/26/2015 - 2:35pm
I don't believe there is a statewide leash law, but I would be happy to be proven wrong if you provide a citation.
No leash law is going to say that. It's fine to let your dog off leash when it's on someone else's property, so long as the property owner allows it.
Yea, the Town of Dover has a law....
By Pete Nice
Wed, 08/26/2015 - 3:56pm
which basically says there is no leash law except in places where it is posted.
Pretty similar case here, since no unleashed dogs are allowed, but there is no state law which says dogs have to be leashed when not on your property.
There are a number of options.
By anon
Wed, 08/26/2015 - 4:37pm
Most dog owners don't know how to look them up.
The DCR has two large types of property that are fine with leashlesssness. The large state forests like Willowdale don't care.
The WMA's (Wildlife Management Area) don't usually care and some are designed for hunting with dogs.
Abandoned railroad lines that belong to the DOT don't have any restrictions nor does the Fowl Meadow Burma Road run.
Many towns have town forests with minimal rules. If you really want to give your dog great olfactory experiences in interesting places, you can do a bit of legwork.
But entitled mutt owners want all access everywhere, every time. In most .cases, urban mutt nuts are mainly concerned with helping poochie empty bladder and bowels as efficiently as possible because they actually loathe the chore.
My neighbor's wife and daughters have a shopworn pit bull, 'Duke" and part of my daily entertainment is listening to one of them berate, cajole or scold old Duke to pinch his damned loaf.
This all starts to fade as an issue when you are out of the cramped urban core places. The Dover 'under owner's control' rules are also prevalent in Duxbury. It's a very clever legal snare.
This is why, I'm a cat person.
By dnkaye
Wed, 08/26/2015 - 12:59pm
unleashed cat just runs away and never comes back.
unleashed dog poops.
house cat poops in a box.
unleashed friendly dog bit me once...
meow.
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