Move to Eastie. Or Mission Hill. Or Allston. Zumper doesn't seem to include most of southerly Boston (not to be confused with South Boston), so I can't speak to rents in Hyde Park, etc.
Or, you know, get some roommates and find a 3 bedroom apartment for under $4200. Not in Back Bay, but they can be had for sure.
Eastie rent has skyrocketed as well my friend. And not only is the entire waterfront covered in new luxury building construction, but there are 3 more going up within 3 blocks of my apartment, and more proposed. And that's just Jeffries Point.
Allston also may not have as much of the luxury (though it does have a fair amount happening), but the rent in those "old" buildings is insane as well.
Many of my friends who moved out of JP... most of them have kids in public school... moved out because of rent inflation. We were supposed to get BRA reform, we got rebranding.
People who chose Boston long ago, never mind young professionals, are having trouble finding affordable housing. It's hard to tell if Mayor Walsh understands these issues. His performance addressing it is too little and too late.
I paid 350 a month for a 1 br efficiency (kitchen and living room same room) on Clarendon in the early 80s.
My son is starting to think about fledging when he finishes college. He and his prospective housemates are already discussing these things.
It may seem insane to us geezers, but we also made half what they will coming out of school. As someone noted elsewhere in this thread, sharing a place for $1,000 a month each is in range of young professionals. I gave them the ancient guideline where under 25% of gross income is preferred, 33% max and that would mean that someone making $36,000 to $48,000 could afford that $1,000. They are finding a lot of well-located places with parking for the two that have cars for well under that split.
"but we also made half what they will coming out of school." You also didn't have large student loan payments and you had one of the strongest economies - there is a thing called inflation as well....
"I gave them the ancient guideline where under 25% of gross income is preferred, 33% max and that would mean that someone making $36,000 to $48,000 could afford that $1,000." Ya, no that rule is AFTER taxes. Someone making 60k a year and paying into their 401k and student loans 1k a month is still a massive chunk of your income.
The baby boomer generation has ruined everything for the younger generations and have made so much on real estate off the backs of us...you may not see it, or want to admit it, but it's true.
By bibliotequtressnotloggedin... on Thu, 01/26/2017 - 5:36pm.
1. The majority of studio apartments in Mission Hill and Allston go for more than $1400/month, which means that the person needs to be making at least $40,000/ year to make rent, utilities, & modest living expenses. You can check this on craigslist.
2. As has been discussed at length on UHub, the largest employers (hospitals, universities, financial services, tech, service industries/hotels/transportation, et al) are in a fairly small roughly 3 mile circle that includes Longwood, Downtown, Kendall Square, Fenway. Hyde Park, Rozzie, and Mattapan are cheaper-- though not necessarily cheap- but a more difficult commute to the employment center. As a matter of fact, to live in these neighborhoods and keep a commute under 1 hour (which is desirable if you have children and/or other responsibilities) a car is often necessary, adding yet another layer of cost.
3. Did you actually watch it? Everything he says applies to pretty much every part of Boston outside of Beacon Hill & Back Bay.
1. It's true, the majority of apartments are more expensive. That's fine. You don't have to rent the majority of apartments, just one. And guess what -- you just got out of college. Of course your apartment is smaller/older than the new luxury ones.
2. Yes, it's true, rent near the largest employers is more expensive, and that means that folks with lower salaries have to live farther away. It's true for the cleaning staff through LMA, and it's true for young professionals too. It means you've got to spend an extra 40 minutes a day on a bus or the T. Tough noogies. Of course your apartment is farther away than the new luxury ones.
3. I did. But the premise is bullshit. Even if the new buildings were targeted for middle class, he still couldn't afford it, because he'd get beaten out by folks who are in their late 20s and have been working for five years.
It's a dumb argument. The new condos aren't in his price range, but there is plenty in Boston that still is, and yes it's smaller, older, and less convenient. Furthermore, the construction of new units he can't afford still provides inventory in the market, helping to keep prices a smidge lower than they would be otherwise. If the condo in the video was still a gas station or parking lot or Burger King or whatever, would that make housing more affordable to him? Of course not.
The rent for a studio in the new Continuum in Lower Allston is $2500. Yes, for a studio. Much of the new construction planned for Allston/ Brighton is priced in the luxury range. Or you could get a small bedroom for $1000 in a 3-4+ bedroom neglected and probably unsafe hundred year old apartment ("bedroom" in this case meaning anything that isn't a kitchen or bathroom, but really, who wouldn't want to live in a dining room?). So yeah, aside from the occasional conscientious landlord, Allston isn't the option you think it is.
The expensive ones are easier to notice, though, because they are in the center of town near all the public transportation, and owners spend more time and money advertising the prime locations on line.
For the millionth time, yeah, the best apartments in the most desirable parts of town cost the most.
Have you been to the real estate pages in Chelsea lately? The market is on fire over there.
What people fail to realize is that building luxury apartments only increases the rent in the area where the apartment is BUT it lowers the rent across the city. Supply and demand would dictate the greater the supply the lower the prices will be. Objecting to new development is what creates higher prices.
If we finally allow the amount of housing to be built that is required to meet demand then we will see the prices of some housing units drop. The new luxury buildings will remain the most expensive, the older luxury units will drop to moderate and so forth.
New luxury buildings increase supply, and demand. The net effect is zero, and often times demand will still outstrip supply. Now is a good time to buy in Chelsea because property value will only go up.
luxury apartments only increases the rent in the area where the apartment is BUT it lowers the rent across the city.
No. Try:
luxury apartments generally find their way to neighborhoods that are in high demand and already gentrified, or at least gentrifying, to keep their risk low, often delivering the final blow to affordability and driving those who can't afford to live there to look at other, lower rent areas of city they wouldn't have considered before. Which in turn drives the rent up in these neighborhoods because of skyrocketing demand, and owners of old buildings cashing out because the luxury industry now wants a piece of that neighborhood as well.
…because we're losing young professionals, as I understand the problem, to San Francisco and New York. Those cities' property values are, as I understand it, even higher.
I want Boston's property values to come down as much as the next guy. And I think our high property values have bad effects on lots of things -- for starters, I suspect that it's harder to start a business here. But "losing young professionals" isn't the first argument I'd reach for if I wanted to argue for lowering property values.
Young tech talent is fleeing SF, or at least trying to. Granted, a lot want to go to NY and they have their own cost issues (but also a lot more to offer than Boston to make it worth it).
The real boom is actually happening in the Midwest, which has been dubbed the "Silicon Prairie," where cities like Des Moines are seeing massive growth–it was actually named the best city for young professionals, with Omaha at #3 and Madison at #5, by Forbes last year.
The midwest is still well represented, but there are more coastal cities/MSAs in their newer list - including most of the top half dozen.
(Btw, in this list, Cambridge (ie Boston–Cambridge–Newton MSA) is #17 of 20.)
Also - a lot of Forbes' numbers don't jibe with the ones I found on the Bureau of Labor Statistics site. Sometimes they seem to use city stats, sometimes MSA/CSA numbers. Sometimes I can't figure out where they got their numbers. So it's tough to take it too seriously.
(Fwiw, I've not found academic work underlying the assumption that Greater Boston is loosing educated professionals faster than we are producing them - just lots of anecdotal accounts. Can anyone point me to a solid source for claims like these?)
My article was from Feb '16, and the page source tells me the one you linked was created in April '16, then updated in August, but most of the assets are dated April. I'll give you that these rankings can be pretty subjective and easy to spin regardless, but it is a fact that there is definitely a massive influx of jobs and talent in these midwestern mid-majors.
I'd love to see an actual study on those leaving vs staying as well. As a young professional myself, I will say that I have a fair amount of friends and former colleagues who have left or plan on leaving the area, and I'd most likely be gone myself if my GF's career wasn't firmly rooted here, in large part due to the reasons being discussed in this thread.
When you aren't part of the group of recent grads riding on mommy and daddy's coattails, it is nearly impossible to afford even a bedroom in a shared apartment anywhere near the T, and even many places near the bus. Considering my financial circumstances (paying for my own education), it's not in the cards. This is exactly why my husband and I split a shitty 2-bedroom apartment with a roommate for so long, and dealt with it being overtaken by squirrels, not having reliable heat, and the outlets sparking when you plugged things in.
We recently moved to a nearly-600sq ft apartment and are maxing out our budget and have extended our commute considerably. Note that the "average" size of a studio apartment is 550 sq ft, so we are essentially splitting the amount of space meant for 1 person.
If you look at our combined income, we fall into the 130% AMI bracket. When you compare it to the chart published by the city, our apartment is considered "affordable" for someone making 90% AMI, and yet, we are maxed out. https://www.boston.gov/sites/default/files/affordable-housing-boston.pdf
All this said, we are planning on staying put until our rent is raised, and then leaving for a much smaller city.
Not so fast there. AMI is gross income = pre-tax. Assuming no deductions, they will pay $24,309 in taxes leaving them with $78,131. Now they're at 21% of their take-home pay. School loans/payments are expensive. Maybe there's a car loan involved.
Sounds like a good life. I've been an attorney for 15 years and I share a 2bed in the city with a roommate too. That's the choice I make to save money on housing. If I were married and our combined income was ~100k, like your is, I'd probably move to Salem or Rosalindale or somewhere on a commuter rail where I could afford a house.
read the opening caption again. He never said it was for one person, and the phrase "household income" (as opposed to personal income) indicates that. So he very well could be talking about a roommate situation, which would be $1410/mo each based one the average given. It could also be a young professional couple with a child (yes, that does actually happen).
New luxury apartments still hold the line/depress the price of older apartments. They are STILL helping everyone, even if you can't presently afford them, because they keep other properties from rising in value as fast as they would otherwise. This is what is killing San Francisco right now, and we should be thanking our lucky stars anything is getting built at all right now.
Dude thinks people are LEAVING Boston, what planet is he on? Young Professionals are moving INTO Boston (and SF, NY, Seattle etc) and there's not enough housing stock for the high demand. That's why rents are rising fast.
You need all the new housing you can get, but this guy should take an Econ 101 class and learn about what happens when supply is constrained, as well as learn about the costs & regulations of trying to build anything that incentivize developers to only build luxury apartments in the first place. The people he votes for are implementing policies that don't let us develop as fast as we need to. It's as simple as that.
The city is growing, despite the loss of college grads outside of the Boston. That growth is what is fueling both rental prices and those condo developments. People want to live here, and people are finding a way to capitalize on that housing demand.
As said, those condos are unfortunately keeping the brick row houses pricing down, not the other way around. Without them, the people that would have lived there would have just bought the row house and gutted it. Hell, in some cities there's even a new phenomenon of rich buying up 3 family split condo row houses and turning them back into single family homes.
Gentrification is a problem because it accelerates demand in certain neighborhoods, but make no mistake this is being driven by the supposedly 150,000 new residents the city is expecting by 2030.
Because they view Boston as a place to go to school, not where they want to live in their 20's. Very few grow up dreaming of the day they can graduate and move to Boston vs. NYC, Chicago, SF, LA.
And the yuppie population is growing, albeit shifted toward those with more money and education. Hizzhonor was smart to position the Seaport as a new innovation and tech center, it's paying dividends pulling in a even younger crowd.
Like I said the state has a major issue, but the city does not when it comes to retaining highly educated professionals. That doesn't mean we can't do more, because we are leaving economic growth on the table due to hardships finding employees (mostly due to the lack of housing and COL incurred because of it).
But the video does have it backwards, and mis-identifying the problem means it'll never be fixed. Housing prices in new and old stock are rising because there's too many fighting for the lack of supply, and until the city gets serious with re-vamping zoning and NIMBYism, it's going to continue to rise.
I just officially became a tax paying resident of an older stock property. It took a while due to the number of cash offers, offers 30% over asking, and lack of supply in the size and type I was looking into before I got an offer accepted.
I work for a technology company in Kendall Square, which was headquartered way out in the western suburbs until two years ago. They had to move their office into the city, because that's where recent grads are living, and they wanted to target young talent. (I'm the old man here at a decrepit 32 years old) They're cramming 3 or 4 people into 800 square feet, yes, but they're willing to make that sacrifice to live in Boston or Cambridge.
Blah, blah, blah. From politicians to residents to "experts" to the man on the street, everyone talks, everyone complains, and everyone tries the same solutions to the same problems.
Three facts that may be helpful to anyone wondering about our housing "crisis":
1) 22% of Boston's housing is subsidized and/or income-restricted (Section 8, public housing, "affordable" housing (IDP)). Or, another way, the "rest of us" have 78% of the housing to fight over.
2) Between 2000 and 2010, the US Census Bureau reported an increase in the population of Boston, from 589,141 to 617,594 residents, and estimates an increase to 650,281 residents, since then. So, 61,140 (10.37%) in 15 years; 32,687 (5.29%) during the past five.
3) Between 2000 and 2010, the US Census Bureau reported an increase in the number of housing units in Boston, from 239,000 to 252,000 units (occupied), and estimates an increase to (only) 256,000 (occupied) units, since then. So, 17,000 (7.1%) in 15 years; (only) 4,000 (1.59%) during the past five. This during the greatest housing / economic boom the city has seen since ... the early 1900's?
(The total - occupied & unoccupied (apartments listed for rent, condos listed for sale) was from 252,000 to 278,000 during that time.)
We all took Econ 101, so the cause and effect of that imbalance is easy to figure: More people looking for housing than there is housing, causing prices to increase.
"Only" rich people are moving here, right? If the amount of new (luxury?) housing had stayed constant with the number of rich people moving here, you might not have seen any effects outside of Boston Proper. Since the imbalance happened, though, those who might have lived "downtown" looked in South Boston, parts of Dorchester, and, now, East Boston, etc.
(Part of the increase in prices is due, however, to landlords / developers realizing they can make more money by renovating / updating their units and putting them back on the market. Better housing = higher prices, even if it's not "luxury". As pointed out so wisely in the above video.)
Exactly. The same people complaining about rent will then go out and protest the new luxury building. I've got news for them, if that luxury building was never built those "rich" people would be living in your house instead. The only way to lower rents for most of us is simply to increase supply.
As for affordable housing. It is great that we have it but I always seem to be just a few thousands over the cut off point for consideration for the different metrics.
.. is that all these sleek new units seem very geared toward single people in their 20s to mid 30s. They don't seem like places people would stay after getting married or moving in with an SO, and not after having children. That is, they seem like temporary housing and not like homes. Which in a way would be fine if there's a continuous influx of young people moving in as people settling down move out (to single family housing in extremely short supply in the surrounding suburbs, but that's a whole other issue). But I think of the high rises in NYC and how it seems more common for families to stay there and raise kids, and it seems like if Boston is building up, it would be great if we could move more in that direction. I'd be happy to hear that I'm wrong about this and that older people, families, and people intending to make Boston their home for the long term are moving into these places-- but that doesn't seem like the target market to me.
This luxury units are an easy sell to anyone any age who can afford it. And even though some may be as small as 450 sq ft., for a couple at any age, that can be enough when you have plenty of common spaces to enjoy, even grilling stations, and the apartment itself is efficiently designed. I lived in baltimore for 5 years and for the first year I lived in 1000 sq ft. 1 bedroom paying $1000/month by myself, row home similar to boston style, but some of the sq footage was lost to a long hallway and oddly designed kitchen and bathroom. No amentities, nothing included. Had to pay for window AC and coins for washer/dryer outside of unit. And being that it was an old building and contruction was going on in another unit, had mice and cockroaches that I had to manage.
After one year, I moved to a "luxury" apartment. Actually it was owned by Bozutto, a leasing company that you can find in Boston as well. I had a beautiful pool with lifeguard staff, great amentities, washer/dryer in unit, even a fireplace in common area. Also lived alone but could have managed having a roomate or significant other in my 550 sq ft studio with balcony. I was paying about $1400/mo. For the value, it made perfect sense. I think it'll take some time, but Boston will eventually get there. If you can pay that extra bit, it's worth it. Right now in Boston it's not. It's a spread of over $1000, not $400. I currently live in 280 sq ft studio, which is insane but it is efficient enough. $1450/month. Right now these luxury apts are averaging about $2500 for a studio, granted twice the size, that is if you can manage to get one as they go quick.
My parents are in their 60s and when they came to visit me in Baltimore, they said that was exactly the kind of place they wish they were living in. They don't want a whole house to themselves. They want to travel, have a leasing staff they can rely on, have amentities to entertain without having to have people in their own personal space. Not have to worry about the upkeep of a house or the land. As for parents with multiple kids, I see units for 3 bedrooms and I have no idea why they wouldn't want to live in new construction with young kids rather than some of these beat down apartments or houses where your kid might be exposed to mice/cockroaches/rats/old paint/bad ventilation etc. Also, families living in an apartment community is a great way to have a community, meet other parents, find sitters, etc.
Everything is temporary these days. You can't rely on a job that you stay in for 50 years. These units are just as stable as anything else. If Baltimore is any example, I think this is the way forward for these cities who need more housing and need new units. My concern is what I'm living in is going to go up whle luxury stays the same, which means I need a higher income because eventually it won't be worth it to stay where I am, just like it wasn't worth it in Baltimore to deny myself the luxury if I could dig up the extra cash for the value. Did the same thing there, found a job that paid better.
is the lack of parking. I can tell you first hand the number one question from apartment seekers or condo buyers pertains to parking. Those foolish enough to buy or rent without parking generally move out after one maybe two winters.
So if you want to live in the city you should solely rely on public transportation? Why is there such disdain for people who NEED to drive and who LIKE to live in the city?
Boston is terrible for cars, and it's only getting worse. It's also one of the most walkable urban cities in the US. Smarter policy and better transportation funding would have the ability to transform transportation for both camps.
You want a car? You want a car in the city? Pay for it.
You like to live in the city. That's nice dear. You are welcome. Don't expect everyone to kiss your ass and give you free parking when space is at a premium.
That goes for any city (including my own) where parking space is at a premium. It isn't the city's problem to subsidize your choices - it is your problem.
Don't expect the city to bend over backwards, ruin the quality of life, and subsidize large amounts of accommodation for your oversized personal possession.
Maybe Boston should do what they do in Japan: you can't register a vehicle until you certify that you have a place to put it.
I'm six winters in to street parking in Cambridge. Have I spent some time shoveling? Sure. Have I had to circle a few times looking for parking on street sweeping days? Yeah. Have I met my neighbors shoveling? Well, that too. It's a small price to pay for having a car (for $25/year in parking fees!) in a nice city.
Having said that, I use my car on weekends. Only fools drive around the city on weekdays.
Only fools drive in the city on weekdays... or elderly people... or people with mobility issues... or people with two jobs who will lose one of their jobs if the T breaks down and they're late... or people with small children who need to get those children to day care, then get to job one, then pick up groceries, then get the kids home and cook them a meal, then go out to job two... or trades workers who need to carry tools, supplies, and equipment to job sites... or the thousands and thousands of people who serve coffee, food, and drinks to the people who live on the T and have the kind of job where you're not docked pay for being five minutes late, and can afford the time it takes to rely on public transportation, but themselves can't afford to live anywhere near public transit, so have to get into the city to serve all the people who call them fools for driving there.
In Boston a car isn't a luxury for people who can afford not to take the T. It's the other way around. Using public transportation is a luxury for people who have the flexibility, and can afford the time, and housing costs it takes to use it. I'm one of those people. I'm able-bodied, and I can ride my bike in most weather, and take the T in other weather, and if I'm late I just make up the time later at my convenience. It's nice, I like it way better than when I was the one adjunct-teaching at three different schools that it would be literally impossible to get between by T, and had to drive and park in the city in the middle of the day. It's better for me now that I can take the T, but it's not very critical thinking to call the people who can't do this fools.
If you need a car 24/7, the city is always going to be a pretty terrible option unless you move to the south and western most border of it or a border town. But then public transportation becomes the issue.
But that's Boston and our MBTA. I have a car in the city taking up very valuable public space for free and it sits there 99.8% of the time just wasting space. It's not really as much a hassle as some people make it out to be.
That said, driverless cars are right around the corner and have the potential to alleviate both the issues of city parking and commuting for the burbs. It'll be interesting to see what trends they drive.
People want to live on South Huntington, close to the Emerald Necklace and the LMA. People want to live on Mission Hill. Demand drives rent increases. All that construction will help handle the demand, since people with enough money love new shiny things.
Yes, Boston needs to make sure affordable housing gets built, but if those buildings were not built, rents would go just a little bit higher.
Now, when the row houses between the two shiny new buildings get torn down for more shiny new buildings, then we have a problem, but not a bad one.
Right in, Tory! It makes me sad to see my beautiful city and all of its neighborhoods (including mine in Rozzy) jacking up the rents and housing prices to appeal to rich foreigners.
Ok, wise guy, laugh it up! There are suddenly a new influx of Mercedes in West Roxbury, and I saw a Bentley parked on LaGrange St back in the fall. Star Market and Roche Brothers is now flooded with Chinese. An open house on my street recently attracted 30 people, several Mercedes were parked there. I've lived in my neighborhood for 25 years, and the demographics are definitely changing. So there!
I tried to make the argument that Boston lacks the cool factor, to which plenty of people tried to tell me otherwise. As a Bostonian living in NY, let me offer my two cents, take it or leave it..
Rents really aren't that different, they're both super high. I pay the same in Manhattan that I did in Cambridge, with utilities included so it's a bit cheaper here actually.
Things like happy hour do matter, and go a long way towards a city being enjoyable. My gf and I went out for wine, spent two hours at the bar, and our tab was $25, would've been close to a $100 in Boston I'm sure. Obviously NY has certain entertainment venues that Boston can't match, I would even argue local CC TV here is leaps and bounds better than what Boston offers, it actually promotes local businesses and gives tips on things to do in the city. I think the biggest difference though is the segregation in Boston, and I'm not making this a race thing. I can go out in Harlem or downtown Manhattan and see a very diverse crowd everywhere, which also matters. Younger people are the most accepting, and social crowd probably ever. Boston just lacks a certain dynamism that you can get in many other cities.
I say all that but please know that Boston outshines NY in many ways and if they could just do a way with a few old blue laws, I'm certain Boston would be just as desirable.
What exactly is the difference between a regular apartment and a "luxury apartment"? As far as I can tell, it just comes down to granite countertops, recessed light fixtures, larger windows, and wood and tile floors. Altogether adding probably $5000 to the construction cost.
Rents are very high in Boston. They've been very high in Boston for decades. Decades ago, you could buy an apartment for less than you can rent one, and it's still true.
So the average rent on a two-bedroom is 2,821 a month. Well, you know how much that gets you if you apply it to a mortgage? $600,000. You can own something for that, even here.
Young professionals don't want to live in Boston? Besides being the first time I've ever heard somebody bemoan Boston's loss of yuppies, I don't believe that's even true.
Maybe recent college graduates who can't get jobs don't want to live in Boston, but those are not young professionals. Young professionals are people who have excellent, well-paying jobs, which abound in Boston. They can afford to live here, if they manage their money wisely. And young professionals mostly want to live where they can have young professions.
It's true that typical rents or home values have been rising faster than typical salaries, even for professionals. It's shocking to see how the price of what was a house only a few years ago is now the price of only a condo. But this divergence is also typical of conditions in other booming cities, here and abroad. In places where real estate has commanded a very high entry price for some time, expectations are different. I expect our culture will adapt. Can't afford your own place? Live with your parents until you can. A cheap apartment isn't something you win for passing finals. This will come to seem normal again.
There are so many college grads in the first place, that most are not going to stay. It only looks like we are losing aren't staying because there's more to begin with.
The second issue is that many condos are selling to investors who don't live there, more than some people realize.
Building a lot of housing is just adding size but not lowering housing.
The reality is that many transplants are not going to be able to stay here.
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Move to Eastie. Or Mission Hill. Or Allston. Zumper doesn't seem to include most of southerly Boston (not to be confused with South Boston), so I can't speak to rents in Hyde Park, etc.
Or, you know, get some roommates and find a 3 bedroom apartment for under $4200. Not in Back Bay, but they can be had for sure.
Uhhh
Eastie rent has skyrocketed as well my friend. And not only is the entire waterfront covered in new luxury building construction, but there are 3 more going up within 3 blocks of my apartment, and more proposed. And that's just Jeffries Point.
Allston also may not have as much of the luxury (though it does have a fair amount happening), but the rent in those "old" buildings is insane as well.
Why, just yesterday ...
Boston Metro declared Eastie alt-Southie.
Heh
I've been (reluctantly) calling Eastie the new Southie for years, and the boom is definitely in full swing right now.
new residents and old
Many of my friends who moved out of JP... most of them have kids in public school... moved out because of rent inflation. We were supposed to get BRA reform, we got rebranding.
People who chose Boston long ago, never mind young professionals, are having trouble finding affordable housing. It's hard to tell if Mayor Walsh understands these issues. His performance addressing it is too little and too late.
I paid 350 a month for a 1 br efficiency (kitchen and living room same room) on Clarendon in the early 80s.
Still cheaper than $4200/month for a 3br
East Boston still looks pretty affordable to me, considering wage rates for young professionals: http://www.zillow.com/homes/for_rent/East-Boston-Boston-MA/condo,apartme...
My son is starting to think about fledging when he finishes college. He and his prospective housemates are already discussing these things.
It may seem insane to us geezers, but we also made half what they will coming out of school. As someone noted elsewhere in this thread, sharing a place for $1,000 a month each is in range of young professionals. I gave them the ancient guideline where under 25% of gross income is preferred, 33% max and that would mean that someone making $36,000 to $48,000 could afford that $1,000. They are finding a lot of well-located places with parking for the two that have cars for well under that split.
Give it another year or 2
that'll change.
Nope
"but we also made half what they will coming out of school." You also didn't have large student loan payments and you had one of the strongest economies - there is a thing called inflation as well....
"I gave them the ancient guideline where under 25% of gross income is preferred, 33% max and that would mean that someone making $36,000 to $48,000 could afford that $1,000." Ya, no that rule is AFTER taxes. Someone making 60k a year and paying into their 401k and student loans 1k a month is still a massive chunk of your income.
The baby boomer generation has ruined everything for the younger generations and have made so much on real estate off the backs of us...you may not see it, or want to admit it, but it's true.
Developers have been causing
Developers have been causing some of this by buying buildings, forcing people out, and renovating buildings resulting in higher rents.
$1700 and up in those places
Going by the 30% of total income rule of thumb, you'd need to make at least $70K/year to really be able to afford that.
How many people are pulling that much down straight out of college?
Or
Or two people making $35k.
Yep. Debunked.
NYC has no problem retaining young professionals and it has a higher housing costs than boston.
so cost of housing is not it. next.
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1. The majority of studio
1. The majority of studio apartments in Mission Hill and Allston go for more than $1400/month, which means that the person needs to be making at least $40,000/ year to make rent, utilities, & modest living expenses. You can check this on craigslist.
2. As has been discussed at length on UHub, the largest employers (hospitals, universities, financial services, tech, service industries/hotels/transportation, et al) are in a fairly small roughly 3 mile circle that includes Longwood, Downtown, Kendall Square, Fenway. Hyde Park, Rozzie, and Mattapan are cheaper-- though not necessarily cheap- but a more difficult commute to the employment center. As a matter of fact, to live in these neighborhoods and keep a commute under 1 hour (which is desirable if you have children and/or other responsibilities) a car is often necessary, adding yet another layer of cost.
3. Did you actually watch it? Everything he says applies to pretty much every part of Boston outside of Beacon Hill & Back Bay.
Your arguments are weak
1. It's true, the majority of apartments are more expensive. That's fine. You don't have to rent the majority of apartments, just one. And guess what -- you just got out of college. Of course your apartment is smaller/older than the new luxury ones.
2. Yes, it's true, rent near the largest employers is more expensive, and that means that folks with lower salaries have to live farther away. It's true for the cleaning staff through LMA, and it's true for young professionals too. It means you've got to spend an extra 40 minutes a day on a bus or the T. Tough noogies. Of course your apartment is farther away than the new luxury ones.
3. I did. But the premise is bullshit. Even if the new buildings were targeted for middle class, he still couldn't afford it, because he'd get beaten out by folks who are in their late 20s and have been working for five years.
It's a dumb argument. The new condos aren't in his price range, but there is plenty in Boston that still is, and yes it's smaller, older, and less convenient. Furthermore, the construction of new units he can't afford still provides inventory in the market, helping to keep prices a smidge lower than they would be otherwise. If the condo in the video was still a gas station or parking lot or Burger King or whatever, would that make housing more affordable to him? Of course not.
Allston?
The rent for a studio in the new Continuum in Lower Allston is $2500. Yes, for a studio. Much of the new construction planned for Allston/ Brighton is priced in the luxury range. Or you could get a small bedroom for $1000 in a 3-4+ bedroom neglected and probably unsafe hundred year old apartment ("bedroom" in this case meaning anything that isn't a kitchen or bathroom, but really, who wouldn't want to live in a dining room?). So yeah, aside from the occasional conscientious landlord, Allston isn't the option you think it is.
uh, he is on South Huntington
uh, he is on South Huntington. On Mission Hill.
Or Chelsea or Roxbury or
Or Chelsea or Roxbury or Dorchester.
The expensive ones are easier to notice, though, because they are in the center of town near all the public transportation, and owners spend more time and money advertising the prime locations on line.
For the millionth time, yeah, the best apartments in the most desirable parts of town cost the most.
Have you been to the real
Have you been to the real estate pages in Chelsea lately? The market is on fire over there.
What people fail to realize is that building luxury apartments only increases the rent in the area where the apartment is BUT it lowers the rent across the city. Supply and demand would dictate the greater the supply the lower the prices will be. Objecting to new development is what creates higher prices.
If we finally allow the amount of housing to be built that is required to meet demand then we will see the prices of some housing units drop. The new luxury buildings will remain the most expensive, the older luxury units will drop to moderate and so forth.
Not true
New luxury buildings increase supply, and demand. The net effect is zero, and often times demand will still outstrip supply. Now is a good time to buy in Chelsea because property value will only go up.
Fixed
No. Try:
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The schools are a bigger
The schools are a bigger factor than a lot of people will mention. A lot of professionals can afford to stay, but just don't want to.
That's not a good argument
…because we're losing young professionals, as I understand the problem, to San Francisco and New York. Those cities' property values are, as I understand it, even higher.
I want Boston's property values to come down as much as the next guy. And I think our high property values have bad effects on lots of things -- for starters, I suspect that it's harder to start a business here. But "losing young professionals" isn't the first argument I'd reach for if I wanted to argue for lowering property values.
Actually
Young tech talent is fleeing SF, or at least trying to. Granted, a lot want to go to NY and they have their own cost issues (but also a lot more to offer than Boston to make it worth it).
The real boom is actually happening in the Midwest, which has been dubbed the "Silicon Prairie," where cities like Des Moines are seeing massive growth–it was actually named the best city for young professionals, with Omaha at #3 and Madison at #5, by Forbes last year.
The Forbes study you reff'ed is old
The midwest is still well represented, but there are more coastal cities/MSAs in their newer list - including most of the top half dozen.
(Btw, in this list, Cambridge (ie Boston–Cambridge–Newton MSA) is #17 of 20.)
Also - a lot of Forbes' numbers don't jibe with the ones I found on the Bureau of Labor Statistics site. Sometimes they seem to use city stats, sometimes MSA/CSA numbers. Sometimes I can't figure out where they got their numbers. So it's tough to take it too seriously.
(Fwiw, I've not found academic work underlying the assumption that Greater Boston is loosing educated professionals faster than we are producing them - just lots of anecdotal accounts. Can anyone point me to a solid source for claims like these?)
Not that much older
My article was from Feb '16, and the page source tells me the one you linked was created in April '16, then updated in August, but most of the assets are dated April. I'll give you that these rankings can be pretty subjective and easy to spin regardless, but it is a fact that there is definitely a massive influx of jobs and talent in these midwestern mid-majors.
I'd love to see an actual study on those leaving vs staying as well. As a young professional myself, I will say that I have a fair amount of friends and former colleagues who have left or plan on leaving the area, and I'd most likely be gone myself if my GF's career wasn't firmly rooted here, in large part due to the reasons being discussed in this thread.
Why would a young professional
Need a 2 bedroom apartment? Why not a 1 bedroom? Share a 2 bedroom?
Same reason GE needs a helipad
Because they say so.
Without Outside Help, Can't Afford Much
When you aren't part of the group of recent grads riding on mommy and daddy's coattails, it is nearly impossible to afford even a bedroom in a shared apartment anywhere near the T, and even many places near the bus. Considering my financial circumstances (paying for my own education), it's not in the cards. This is exactly why my husband and I split a shitty 2-bedroom apartment with a roommate for so long, and dealt with it being overtaken by squirrels, not having reliable heat, and the outlets sparking when you plugged things in.
We recently moved to a nearly-600sq ft apartment and are maxing out our budget and have extended our commute considerably. Note that the "average" size of a studio apartment is 550 sq ft, so we are essentially splitting the amount of space meant for 1 person.
If you look at our combined income, we fall into the 130% AMI bracket. When you compare it to the chart published by the city, our apartment is considered "affordable" for someone making 90% AMI, and yet, we are maxed out. https://www.boston.gov/sites/default/files/affordable-housing-boston.pdf
All this said, we are planning on staying put until our rent is raised, and then leaving for a much smaller city.
Only 16% of your HH income on housing maxes you out?!
from the document you reff'ed:
130% 2 person AMI = $102,4400/year
90% AMI max affordable rent for studio = $1375/month
= $16,500/year
16,500/102,440 = 0.16 = 16% yearly income
If this is maxing you out you may need to consult a financial advisor.
Not so fast there. AMI is
Not so fast there. AMI is gross income = pre-tax. Assuming no deductions, they will pay $24,309 in taxes leaving them with $78,131. Now they're at 21% of their take-home pay. School loans/payments are expensive. Maybe there's a car loan involved.
https://smartasset.com/taxes/massachusetts-tax-calculator#1TRqL915s0
Sounds like a good life. I
Sounds like a good life. I've been an attorney for 15 years and I share a 2bed in the city with a roommate too. That's the choice I make to save money on housing. If I were married and our combined income was ~100k, like your is, I'd probably move to Salem or Rosalindale or somewhere on a commuter rail where I could afford a house.
Valid question, but
read the opening caption again. He never said it was for one person, and the phrase "household income" (as opposed to personal income) indicates that. So he very well could be talking about a roommate situation, which would be $1410/mo each based one the average given. It could also be a young professional couple with a child (yes, that does actually happen).
Young professionals have or
Young professionals have or want families too?
DOOOD!!!!
New luxury apartments still hold the line/depress the price of older apartments. They are STILL helping everyone, even if you can't presently afford them, because they keep other properties from rising in value as fast as they would otherwise. This is what is killing San Francisco right now, and we should be thanking our lucky stars anything is getting built at all right now.
See:
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/17/business/economy/san-francisco-housin...
http://www.denverpost.com/2017/01/18/metro-denver-apartment-rents-drop/
Dude thinks people are LEAVING Boston, what planet is he on? Young Professionals are moving INTO Boston (and SF, NY, Seattle etc) and there's not enough housing stock for the high demand. That's why rents are rising fast.
You need all the new housing you can get, but this guy should take an Econ 101 class and learn about what happens when supply is constrained, as well as learn about the costs & regulations of trying to build anything that incentivize developers to only build luxury apartments in the first place. The people he votes for are implementing policies that don't let us develop as fast as we need to. It's as simple as that.
This is right
The city is growing, despite the loss of college grads outside of the Boston. That growth is what is fueling both rental prices and those condo developments. People want to live here, and people are finding a way to capitalize on that housing demand.
As said, those condos are unfortunately keeping the brick row houses pricing down, not the other way around. Without them, the people that would have lived there would have just bought the row house and gutted it. Hell, in some cities there's even a new phenomenon of rich buying up 3 family split condo row houses and turning them back into single family homes.
Gentrification is a problem because it accelerates demand in certain neighborhoods, but make no mistake this is being driven by the supposedly 150,000 new residents the city is expecting by 2030.
College grads leave Boston
Because they view Boston as a place to go to school, not where they want to live in their 20's. Very few grow up dreaming of the day they can graduate and move to Boston vs. NYC, Chicago, SF, LA.
But enough do
And the yuppie population is growing, albeit shifted toward those with more money and education. Hizzhonor was smart to position the Seaport as a new innovation and tech center, it's paying dividends pulling in a even younger crowd.
Like I said the state has a major issue, but the city does not when it comes to retaining highly educated professionals. That doesn't mean we can't do more, because we are leaving economic growth on the table due to hardships finding employees (mostly due to the lack of housing and COL incurred because of it).
But the video does have it backwards, and mis-identifying the problem means it'll never be fixed. Housing prices in new and old stock are rising because there's too many fighting for the lack of supply, and until the city gets serious with re-vamping zoning and NIMBYism, it's going to continue to rise.
I just officially became a tax paying resident of an older stock property. It took a while due to the number of cash offers, offers 30% over asking, and lack of supply in the size and type I was looking into before I got an offer accepted.
Yup
I work for a technology company in Kendall Square, which was headquartered way out in the western suburbs until two years ago. They had to move their office into the city, because that's where recent grads are living, and they wanted to target young talent. (I'm the old man here at a decrepit 32 years old) They're cramming 3 or 4 people into 800 square feet, yes, but they're willing to make that sacrifice to live in Boston or Cambridge.
this dude is good
Got a laugh out of me at least. As Homer J Simpson said: It's funny because it's true.
Huh?
More than plenty of yupsters in Southie as the SoBo Bozo can attest to.
Adorable!
( he's a great speaker — and he speaks for many! )
Yogi Berra says...
Nobody wants to live there any more, it's too crowded.
And the beat goes on ...
Blah, blah, blah. From politicians to residents to "experts" to the man on the street, everyone talks, everyone complains, and everyone tries the same solutions to the same problems.
Three facts that may be helpful to anyone wondering about our housing "crisis":
1) 22% of Boston's housing is subsidized and/or income-restricted (Section 8, public housing, "affordable" housing (IDP)). Or, another way, the "rest of us" have 78% of the housing to fight over.
2) Between 2000 and 2010, the US Census Bureau reported an increase in the population of Boston, from 589,141 to 617,594 residents, and estimates an increase to 650,281 residents, since then. So, 61,140 (10.37%) in 15 years; 32,687 (5.29%) during the past five.
3) Between 2000 and 2010, the US Census Bureau reported an increase in the number of housing units in Boston, from 239,000 to 252,000 units (occupied), and estimates an increase to (only) 256,000 (occupied) units, since then. So, 17,000 (7.1%) in 15 years; (only) 4,000 (1.59%) during the past five. This during the greatest housing / economic boom the city has seen since ... the early 1900's?
(The total - occupied & unoccupied (apartments listed for rent, condos listed for sale) was from 252,000 to 278,000 during that time.)
We all took Econ 101, so the cause and effect of that imbalance is easy to figure: More people looking for housing than there is housing, causing prices to increase.
"Only" rich people are moving here, right? If the amount of new (luxury?) housing had stayed constant with the number of rich people moving here, you might not have seen any effects outside of Boston Proper. Since the imbalance happened, though, those who might have lived "downtown" looked in South Boston, parts of Dorchester, and, now, East Boston, etc.
(Part of the increase in prices is due, however, to landlords / developers realizing they can make more money by renovating / updating their units and putting them back on the market. Better housing = higher prices, even if it's not "luxury". As pointed out so wisely in the above video.)
Exactly. The same people
Exactly. The same people complaining about rent will then go out and protest the new luxury building. I've got news for them, if that luxury building was never built those "rich" people would be living in your house instead. The only way to lower rents for most of us is simply to increase supply.
As for affordable housing. It is great that we have it but I always seem to be just a few thousands over the cut off point for consideration for the different metrics.
What gets me..
.. is that all these sleek new units seem very geared toward single people in their 20s to mid 30s. They don't seem like places people would stay after getting married or moving in with an SO, and not after having children. That is, they seem like temporary housing and not like homes. Which in a way would be fine if there's a continuous influx of young people moving in as people settling down move out (to single family housing in extremely short supply in the surrounding suburbs, but that's a whole other issue). But I think of the high rises in NYC and how it seems more common for families to stay there and raise kids, and it seems like if Boston is building up, it would be great if we could move more in that direction. I'd be happy to hear that I'm wrong about this and that older people, families, and people intending to make Boston their home for the long term are moving into these places-- but that doesn't seem like the target market to me.
Plenty of three-bedrooms
There are plenty of three bedroom units available in the new buildings. In mine, they start at $4,900 and at $14,500 in the new tower in Back Bay.
They are empty because no one wants to pay that much and no one who does want to pay that much rents instead of buys. I think.
Boston is overbuilt on 3br
The inventory to demand ratio for these is about 2:1.
I suggest you go see the One Room Mansion exhibit for more stats on housing in Boston.
you're mostly wrong
This luxury units are an easy sell to anyone any age who can afford it. And even though some may be as small as 450 sq ft., for a couple at any age, that can be enough when you have plenty of common spaces to enjoy, even grilling stations, and the apartment itself is efficiently designed. I lived in baltimore for 5 years and for the first year I lived in 1000 sq ft. 1 bedroom paying $1000/month by myself, row home similar to boston style, but some of the sq footage was lost to a long hallway and oddly designed kitchen and bathroom. No amentities, nothing included. Had to pay for window AC and coins for washer/dryer outside of unit. And being that it was an old building and contruction was going on in another unit, had mice and cockroaches that I had to manage.
After one year, I moved to a "luxury" apartment. Actually it was owned by Bozutto, a leasing company that you can find in Boston as well. I had a beautiful pool with lifeguard staff, great amentities, washer/dryer in unit, even a fireplace in common area. Also lived alone but could have managed having a roomate or significant other in my 550 sq ft studio with balcony. I was paying about $1400/mo. For the value, it made perfect sense. I think it'll take some time, but Boston will eventually get there. If you can pay that extra bit, it's worth it. Right now in Boston it's not. It's a spread of over $1000, not $400. I currently live in 280 sq ft studio, which is insane but it is efficient enough. $1450/month. Right now these luxury apts are averaging about $2500 for a studio, granted twice the size, that is if you can manage to get one as they go quick.
My parents are in their 60s and when they came to visit me in Baltimore, they said that was exactly the kind of place they wish they were living in. They don't want a whole house to themselves. They want to travel, have a leasing staff they can rely on, have amentities to entertain without having to have people in their own personal space. Not have to worry about the upkeep of a house or the land. As for parents with multiple kids, I see units for 3 bedrooms and I have no idea why they wouldn't want to live in new construction with young kids rather than some of these beat down apartments or houses where your kid might be exposed to mice/cockroaches/rats/old paint/bad ventilation etc. Also, families living in an apartment community is a great way to have a community, meet other parents, find sitters, etc.
Everything is temporary these days. You can't rely on a job that you stay in for 50 years. These units are just as stable as anything else. If Baltimore is any example, I think this is the way forward for these cities who need more housing and need new units. My concern is what I'm living in is going to go up whle luxury stays the same, which means I need a higher income because eventually it won't be worth it to stay where I am, just like it wasn't worth it in Baltimore to deny myself the luxury if I could dig up the extra cash for the value. Did the same thing there, found a job that paid better.
Another big reason
is the lack of parking. I can tell you first hand the number one question from apartment seekers or condo buyers pertains to parking. Those foolish enough to buy or rent without parking generally move out after one maybe two winters.
Well ...
There isn't going to be more parking made. If you want parking, don't live in places that lack it. If you want parking, move into places that have it.
In the meantime, support measures which make parking unnecessary or less necessary.
Foolish
So if you want to live in the city you should solely rely on public transportation? Why is there such disdain for people who NEED to drive and who LIKE to live in the city?
Raises Hand
*I do*
Boston is terrible for cars, and it's only getting worse. It's also one of the most walkable urban cities in the US. Smarter policy and better transportation funding would have the ability to transform transportation for both camps.
Reality
Not disdain.
You want a car? You want a car in the city? Pay for it.
You like to live in the city. That's nice dear. You are welcome. Don't expect everyone to kiss your ass and give you free parking when space is at a premium.
That goes for any city (including my own) where parking space is at a premium. It isn't the city's problem to subsidize your choices - it is your problem.
Don't expect the city to bend over backwards, ruin the quality of life, and subsidize large amounts of accommodation for your oversized personal possession.
Maybe Boston should do what they do in Japan: you can't register a vehicle until you certify that you have a place to put it.
Yeah, really?
I'm six winters in to street parking in Cambridge. Have I spent some time shoveling? Sure. Have I had to circle a few times looking for parking on street sweeping days? Yeah. Have I met my neighbors shoveling? Well, that too. It's a small price to pay for having a car (for $25/year in parking fees!) in a nice city.
Having said that, I use my car on weekends. Only fools drive around the city on weekdays.
Only fools drive in the city
Only fools drive in the city on weekdays... or elderly people... or people with mobility issues... or people with two jobs who will lose one of their jobs if the T breaks down and they're late... or people with small children who need to get those children to day care, then get to job one, then pick up groceries, then get the kids home and cook them a meal, then go out to job two... or trades workers who need to carry tools, supplies, and equipment to job sites... or the thousands and thousands of people who serve coffee, food, and drinks to the people who live on the T and have the kind of job where you're not docked pay for being five minutes late, and can afford the time it takes to rely on public transportation, but themselves can't afford to live anywhere near public transit, so have to get into the city to serve all the people who call them fools for driving there.
In Boston a car isn't a luxury for people who can afford not to take the T. It's the other way around. Using public transportation is a luxury for people who have the flexibility, and can afford the time, and housing costs it takes to use it. I'm one of those people. I'm able-bodied, and I can ride my bike in most weather, and take the T in other weather, and if I'm late I just make up the time later at my convenience. It's nice, I like it way better than when I was the one adjunct-teaching at three different schools that it would be literally impossible to get between by T, and had to drive and park in the city in the middle of the day. It's better for me now that I can take the T, but it's not very critical thinking to call the people who can't do this fools.
Brava, Rachel!
Well said!
There is a fix for this problem
It is called "getting a placard and having the city block a space just for you".
The other answer is "fewer able bodied people owning a prosthetic transport device that they don't physically need".
Well
If you need a car 24/7, the city is always going to be a pretty terrible option unless you move to the south and western most border of it or a border town. But then public transportation becomes the issue.
But that's Boston and our MBTA. I have a car in the city taking up very valuable public space for free and it sits there 99.8% of the time just wasting space. It's not really as much a hassle as some people make it out to be.
That said, driverless cars are right around the corner and have the potential to alleviate both the issues of city parking and commuting for the burbs. It'll be interesting to see what trends they drive.
Is it because the Fed has
Is it because the Fed has kept interest rates so low?
He's missing the bigger picture
People want to live on South Huntington, close to the Emerald Necklace and the LMA. People want to live on Mission Hill. Demand drives rent increases. All that construction will help handle the demand, since people with enough money love new shiny things.
Yes, Boston needs to make sure affordable housing gets built, but if those buildings were not built, rents would go just a little bit higher.
Now, when the row houses between the two shiny new buildings get torn down for more shiny new buildings, then we have a problem, but not a bad one.
Balloon Construction
We can always wait for them to burn down and replace them as they do.
Right in, Tory! It makes me
Right in, Tory! It makes me sad to see my beautiful city and all of its neighborhoods (including mine in Rozzy) jacking up the rents and housing prices to appeal to rich foreigners.
Ah yes
The influx of Saudi princes buying property in Roslindale is so annoying.
Ok, wise guy, laugh it up!
Ok, wise guy, laugh it up! There are suddenly a new influx of Mercedes in West Roxbury, and I saw a Bentley parked on LaGrange St back in the fall. Star Market and Roche Brothers is now flooded with Chinese. An open house on my street recently attracted 30 people, several Mercedes were parked there. I've lived in my neighborhood for 25 years, and the demographics are definitely changing. So there!
We had this debate on UHub last week
I tried to make the argument that Boston lacks the cool factor, to which plenty of people tried to tell me otherwise. As a Bostonian living in NY, let me offer my two cents, take it or leave it..
Rents really aren't that different, they're both super high. I pay the same in Manhattan that I did in Cambridge, with utilities included so it's a bit cheaper here actually.
Things like happy hour do matter, and go a long way towards a city being enjoyable. My gf and I went out for wine, spent two hours at the bar, and our tab was $25, would've been close to a $100 in Boston I'm sure. Obviously NY has certain entertainment venues that Boston can't match, I would even argue local CC TV here is leaps and bounds better than what Boston offers, it actually promotes local businesses and gives tips on things to do in the city. I think the biggest difference though is the segregation in Boston, and I'm not making this a race thing. I can go out in Harlem or downtown Manhattan and see a very diverse crowd everywhere, which also matters. Younger people are the most accepting, and social crowd probably ever. Boston just lacks a certain dynamism that you can get in many other cities.
I say all that but please know that Boston outshines NY in many ways and if they could just do a way with a few old blue laws, I'm certain Boston would be just as desirable.
What exactly is the
What exactly is the difference between a regular apartment and a "luxury apartment"? As far as I can tell, it just comes down to granite countertops, recessed light fixtures, larger windows, and wood and tile floors. Altogether adding probably $5000 to the construction cost.
And do they still build non-luxury apts?
They must, but I don't hear about those nearly as much.
Generational change?
Rents are very high in Boston. They've been very high in Boston for decades. Decades ago, you could buy an apartment for less than you can rent one, and it's still true.
So the average rent on a two-bedroom is 2,821 a month. Well, you know how much that gets you if you apply it to a mortgage? $600,000. You can own something for that, even here.
Young professionals don't want to live in Boston? Besides being the first time I've ever heard somebody bemoan Boston's loss of yuppies, I don't believe that's even true.
Maybe recent college graduates who can't get jobs don't want to live in Boston, but those are not young professionals. Young professionals are people who have excellent, well-paying jobs, which abound in Boston. They can afford to live here, if they manage their money wisely. And young professionals mostly want to live where they can have young professions.
It's true that typical rents or home values have been rising faster than typical salaries, even for professionals. It's shocking to see how the price of what was a house only a few years ago is now the price of only a condo. But this divergence is also typical of conditions in other booming cities, here and abroad. In places where real estate has commanded a very high entry price for some time, expectations are different. I expect our culture will adapt. Can't afford your own place? Live with your parents until you can. A cheap apartment isn't something you win for passing finals. This will come to seem normal again.
Most grads leave because there's a huge relative to local size
There are so many college grads in the first place, that most are not going to stay. It only looks like we are losing aren't staying because there's more to begin with.
The second issue is that many condos are selling to investors who don't live there, more than some people realize.
Building a lot of housing is just adding size but not lowering housing.
The reality is that many transplants are not going to be able to stay here.
The title of the comment just
The title of the comment just submitted was intended to include "number" relative to local size