DCR Commissioner Leo Roy tonight unveiled a proposal to set aside all of Stony Brook Reservation west of Enneking Parkway - 140 acres of the 475-acre forest - for a dog park that would feature about a three-acre area of fenced-in play space and several miles of trails through the woods where owners could let their dogs roam free.
"It's 140 acres in the city of Boston, that's pretty incredible," Roy enthused to a crowd of about 75, after first shocking residents by saying the reason DCR would abandon plans to rehab the old Thompson Center along West Smithfield Road into a park that could serve both dog owners and others was because of a law, passed in 1967, that seems to forbid the spending of any money on the Thompson Center except to support recreational uses for kids with disabilities. The center has been closed for close to two decades.
Under the proposal created by a landscaping design firm hired by DCR, all the land between from Enneking Parkway on the east and West Boundary Road on the west and from Washington Street in the north to Dedham Parkway in the south would go to the dogs.
A small parking lot and a grassy area across from Turtle Pond - now used by the MWRA to store equipment for its project - would be turned into a parking lot with some 30 parking spaces and would be the entrance for the fenced-in part. A smaller parking lot on Dedham Parkway would let dog owners and their pets get into the more wild trails from the south, although they could also access the trails from the Enneking Parkway lot.
Roy said this would create the first dog park in Boston's southern half.
Association members demanded to know why Roy was only now telling them about the 1967 law, when they'd been working with DCR for five years on a Thompson Center plan.
"We just became aware of [the law]," Roy said. One resident asked how DCR had become aware of the law. "We heard it from the legislative delegation," he said.
Roy did not get more specific, but the only local legislator who has ever expressed any negative feelings about the Thompson Center proposal is state Rep. Angelo Scaccia (D-Hyde Park) - who has been fighting the plans to end the Thompson Center's current role as a feces-laden shooting gallery for the more mobile local drug addicts.
Neither Scaccia nor any other elected official attended tonight's meeting at the Hyde Park municipal building, although he and several city councilors did send aides.
Association President Karen Jones of West Roxbury said the Thompson Center proposal would be far better suited for senior citizens and residents with disabilities and said the association's plans include rehabbing its building for a variety of uses.
She vowed to fight to override the 1967 law, if it really wasn't made moot by the federal Americans with Disabilities Act, and pleaded with Roy to work with her group - which has already sunk $10,000 into plans for the Thompson Center - at DCR's encouragement - and which she said would prove a potent public/private partnership to build out a dog park there.
Plus, building a dog park right along Enneking Parkway could prove a disaster, she said - either a dog would run out into to the road and get killed by a speeding car, or a speeding motorist would swerve to avoid a dog and drive into a tree, she said.
Roy said residents should consider that overriding legislation could take several years, but said if they really wanted to try that, he would encourage them to talk to their legislators about - which drew the evening's only laugh, among residents who collected 1,000 signatures on a petition pleading with Scaccia to meet with them, which he has not.
Roy acknowledged his proposal could take several years as well, in part because DCR can't even do much surveying on the land until after the MWRA finishes its water-main project through Stony Brook Reservation, which could take another 18 months.
Residents, some of whom did favor the 140-acre proposal, questioned why and how the state could spend money on a dog park in a different part of the reservation when it would still have to clean up the Thompson Center, which they said is currently a blight on the area.
"I just don't understand how bureaucrats think," resident Joseph Smith said. Another resident said she did not understand how the state could be thinking about spending money on a dog park when its facilities for people - such as the swimming pool - are already substandard.
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Fine, whatever
By adamg
Wed, 03/22/2017 - 11:23am
You do you.
Can I bring my cat
By anon
Wed, 03/22/2017 - 7:37am
Another win for the canine industrial complex
who has been fighting the
By anon
Wed, 03/22/2017 - 7:37am
SICK BURN ahah nice one Adam
"Landscaping design firm"
By A Landscape Arc...
Wed, 03/22/2017 - 8:31am
Can you confirm that the design was prepared by a landscaping design firm and not a registered Landscape Architect or Landscape Architectural firm? Its not just nomenclature - it's an actual difference between licenses and professional standards. It's like saying a municipal building was designed by a contractor and not an architect.
Beta Group, Inc
By adamg
Wed, 03/22/2017 - 11:29am
Have you heard of them? What I don't know about landscaping experts could fill several volumes.
I have heard of them
By A Landscape Arc...
Wed, 03/22/2017 - 1:22pm
Thanks for providing details on that point.
In 2017 people love their dogs more that other people.
By bulgingbuick
Wed, 03/22/2017 - 8:34am
Comparatively speaking trees don't stand a chance. The Stoneybrook Reservation is a gem that should be maintained as is.
My 2 cents
By Gary C
Wed, 03/22/2017 - 9:18am
The Stonybrook reservation has always struck me as highly underutilized and mostly forgotten space. There are parking lots, but they are always chained off. What little infrastructure there is (e.g. paved bike trails) are in terrible condition. While it clearly (to me) makes way more sense to kill 2 birds by fixing the Thompson center to create a dog park, actually putting the mostly unused other sections to use is an improvement over the decaying nothing that exists now.
Not using up a wooded the
By anon
Wed, 03/22/2017 - 9:41am
Not using up a wooded the park is the sort of the point of have it from the start.
The dogs won't "Use it up"
By Gary C
Wed, 03/22/2017 - 11:05am
No one is advocating cutting the trees and paving it over. Having people use the park IS the reason that the park exists.
And they can visit it without
By anon
Wed, 03/22/2017 - 2:10pm
And they can visit it without dedicating it to pets.
Very true
By Gary C
Wed, 03/22/2017 - 3:38pm
But the point is, very few do visit because it is not inviting to do so.
I speak for the trees
By Lunchbox
Wed, 03/22/2017 - 9:24am
Trees produce oxygen and provide shade. Dogs produce feces and bite people.
I'll take trees 10 times outa 10.
This is a horrible idea ...It
By anon
Wed, 03/22/2017 - 9:36am
This is a horrible idea ...It's a reservation for a reason and don't people walk their dogs thru thee already ...smh
Add a disc golf course!
By anon
Wed, 03/22/2017 - 9:45am
And it gets my vote!
Good god...the comments here.
By anon
Wed, 03/22/2017 - 10:35am
Good god...the comments here. It's the same old shite. Dog bad - me smart and good and no share. Me want all for myself and my use only. Me now use all of the 140 acres I never heard of because all dog bite!!! This is how you sound. It would be funny except it's #SAD.
You don't want them in parks, you don't want them in a multi-use space and now you don't want them in a space dedicated just to them and their owners.
Please, for the sake of humanity, get over yourself. We all pay taxes and we should all be represented. I don't have kids but I want my $ going to new playgrounds, schools, and anything where kids can learn, run and have fun. I don't have a dog but yet I also want my taxes to go to large areas where dog owners can let their dogs run free, socialize and get their ya-ya's out. 140 acres would be fantastic but I am sure dog owners would be happy with 5 acres or even 1. That's called recognizing the needs of others and even when it doesn't serve you understanding the need and being ok with it.
Come on
By lbb
Wed, 03/22/2017 - 12:56pm
I don't see anyone saying any of that. I see people saying that there are too many problems already with off-leash dogs who are not controlled by their owners, who harass people and wildlife, and whose owners do not clean up their shit. Why do you have a problem with dogs being on leash and under their owners' control at all times?
There's not an unlimited
By anon
Wed, 03/22/2017 - 2:32pm
There's not an unlimited amount of room to accommodate everything including vast amounts of space for people's pets as they would have in the suburbs. They can walk their dogs just fine, but it's a crowded area. There's a difference between recognizing what people want to use the room, and being able to accommodate all of it.
Poison Pill
By Rob Not Verified
Wed, 03/22/2017 - 10:57am
This proposal is a poison pill designed to outrage people and defeat any type of dog park in that area. No one asked the DCR or Rep. Scaccia to designate all this land to dog uses. They're proposing it so when it is shot down by almost everyone on all sides, they can then throw their hands up and say they tried and then do nothing. It's very transparent. The law in question instructed the former MDC to construct and maintain the Thompson Center for handicapped individuals (which they haven't even done). It does not prohibit them from changing some of the the design or part of the use there - a key distinction being 'part.' The dog park proposal there is on one part of the Thompson Center land and the rest would still be designated for the original use, which is a good thing. This is a very tortured reading of that law designed to obstruct this.
Yes, yes, yes!
By Gary C
Wed, 03/22/2017 - 11:08am
Hit it right on the head!
oh pretty PLEASE
By anon
Wed, 03/22/2017 - 2:41pm
someone propose Dog Park Bike Lane Spacesavers, I wanna see the comments section catch fire!
The area west of Enneking Parkway is not flat
By Jessica Mink
Wed, 03/22/2017 - 6:11pm
There are hills there just like the rest of this part of Boston. There is a paved trail which extends West Boundary Rd. across the park to Smith Field Rd. Although it has totally disintegrated behind Georgetowne, there is still a really nice loop with the paved trail from West Boundary Rd. to Turtle Pond. Over the last several years, volunteers have cleared some of it, though parts definitely need to be repaved. So few people go into this part of the reservation that someone live there for years without being noticed. I doubt if many of the residents of Georgetowne, who I think are all or mostly renters and therefore have less clout, would be very happy with large dogs running loose next door with no one really watching out for them but the dogs' owners. There is a lot of opposition in Hyde Park to the Thompson Center dog park, though it seems to me like a good use for an already fenced-in area with a rehabilitatable building which tends to be used by people that we really don't want in our park. And there are quite a few big dogs loose in the entire park already: I would guess that like the Arboretum, dog walkers are the most numerous users of the park in anything bu really nice weather.
I understand that is good for
By whyaduck
Thu, 03/23/2017 - 8:47am
dogs, larger specifically, to run. It used to be in folk's backyards on a run leash or we would take them to a park and/or beach or just walk them down the street. And if you had a pet, you usually had one.
Times have changed. Now we have dogs in multiples (2-3 are more common). People who live in the city want dogs including big dogs but they may not have the space to let them exercise.
I understand all that and have no problem with that want. I prefer dog parks because hopefully the dog owners will use them and not the places where I like to hike and/or trail run, places where they need to leash their dogs but most often do not, and where I have been knocked over and accosted by dogs that are not trained and/or curbed by their owners.
Now, that being said, 140 acres for a dog dedicated park and trails, seems extravagant to me. And I have to agree about Enneking Parkway - that road is just too dangerous for unleashed dogs to be running around. You also have cyclists and runners who ride and run on that road, including myself.
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