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Body pulled out of Boston Harbor near Deer Island
By adamg on Thu, 06/08/2017 - 12:43pm
No identification of the body recovered this morning, let alone possible cause of death yet, the Suffolk County District Attorney's office reports. The body was first spotted by the crew of a commercial fishing vessel, who radioed the Coast Guard. State Environmental Police and the Boston Police harbor unit recovered the body.
The body, is believed to be that of an adult but was in a state of decomposition such that age, gender, and ethnicity are not immediately apparent.
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Smiley
I know this has been discussed here but this is a pretty good discussion on the topic:
http://thegoodamericancollective.blogspot.com/2017/06/homicide-prosecuto...
Young men get drunk and do
Young men get drunk and do stupid sh**... therefore SERIAL KILLER!!111!!
DTP and upvoters - did not listen to link
...but still felt compelled to offer (mistaken) opinion on link.
Admittedly, nona could have titled her comment more clearly (eg "Smiley debunking") but still - I'll note for the future that you prefer to score quick snark points rather than try to accurately comprehend what other Uhubers are contributing.
Lazy
Yes I could have labeled it better. Kudos to those that actually listened to it before commenting. This is what many in our society currently do: read a headline or tweet, make a decision. I agree with Burke here; it is doing a disservice to the families to even insinuate a serial killer is on the loose when they are trying to process the fact that their child has died in a seemingly preventable fashion. And I'm a He not a She.
No.
Just, No.
See comment re DTP
Unless your "No!" mean you deny any non-serial killer explanation.
Then you're just a whackadoodle.
No as in
There is no need for any discussion on the serial killer BS at all.
Whoa, that is not what you made it out to be
I was all set to click on that link and go "Oh, FFS, not another twitterpated conspiracy dolt blathering about the Smiley Face Killer," but, in fact, it's actually a former prosecutor poking holes in that dumb theory. Bravo. Now, he doesn't rule out criminal activity in some cases, but serial killer? Nope.
Alt trolling?
Check the IP. Wondering if we were buttered up for the trolling trigger.
I get that
Most if not all of these cases are explained away as drunk guys doing drunk things. But why is the notion of a serial killer summarily dismissed as impossible? I don't think I understand that. No I don't think it's likely, but why do so many people believe it is impossible?
The serial killer is managing
The serial killer is managing to overpower dozens of young men and not kill them with force but to drown them?
Simplest explanation is usually right, drunk young men wander away from their groups and do stupid sh**
Pull them in and drown? It's the Sea Lions!
Here's rare footage of one practicing on a woman in Vancouver.
I'm not saying it's impossible, but it's impossible
Bodies have been showing up in the water not just for years, but for centuries. That's one old serial killer. And if there were a serial killer out there, you're talking about some monumental, inconceivable amount of either carelessness or complicity on the part of law enforcement in the Boston area, crossing multiple jurisdictions (State Police, Boston Police, Cambridge Police, Coast Guard, Middlesex and Suffolk district attorneys, etc., etc.). And you would have to have a theory that accounts for not just the well off young white guys who have decent social support networks to drum up their cases, but all the older and black and drug-addicted/alcoholic people who also get fished out of the water but whom the conspiracy theorists never take into account, because they don't show up in media/Internet reports.
Are we sure it isn't some
Are we sure it isn't some supernatural killer clown?
Time and Distance
The serial killer would have to be both immortal, and capable of being all over the developed world at the same time.
This has been going on for a very long time.
This happens wherever young men + alcohol + water end up in close proximity.
The ocean is a serial killer.
The ocean is a serial killer.
It is conspiring with alcohol.
Someone ought to alert the AG, perhaps she can ban them.
Just want to throw on thing out there
We don't even know if this young man is a man. Or young.
That said, I hope they can ID the body. Someone is missing someone, so even though it is not the conclusion they might want, it will be closure.
Evans
Just because the police commissioner says there is no serial killer makes it true?
Just because you didn't read the evidence and reasoning
... makes it false?
Belief versus Evidence
People want to believe that they will be thrown clear of their car if they don't wear their seatbelt, and not burn to death, etc.
Evidence says that being thrown clear of your car will kill you, and fires are rare.
People want to believe that climate change isn't real or that their own behavior doesn't contribute to it.
Evidence says that anthropogenic warming is happening, and that the activities of people in developed countries are a huge contributor to it.
People want to believe that a serial killer is drowning young men.
Evidence says that there are no signs of struggle, no evidence of attack or trauma on the bodies, no consistent patterns other than darkness, drunkenness and gender, plus occasional bonus videos of people scaling fences and doing stupid stuff near the water as they went in ALONE.
Hypotheses are fine so long as you are willing to except evidence to the contrary. Hanging on those hypotheses after being shown more than enough proof to render them extremely unlikely is folly. Beliefs need to yield to reality.
Santa
Because Santa isn't a serial killer, otherwise how you explain other concentrations of drowning deaths in cities with water access?
This isn't an issue unique to one city or even one region. What does bubble up is public interest in the issue where before everyone just sort of ignored it.
Woman drugging men?
Too early to tell in this case but I agree with Scauma, all theories should be considered in the cases of young men "falling" into the water, especially after the CA woman was drugging men at nightclubs in this case. Some of the Boston cases were very odd, including the man weighted down with cinder blocks and chains and at least two where cell phones were found relatively far from the scene. In one Boston case, someone other than the victim answered the phone and it was found smashed.
I was disappointed in Commissioner Evans to summarily dismiss it on WGBH. The MA Medical Examiner's office is woefully understaffed and many cases don't get the attention and investigation they deserve. In fact, the decision to "accept" the body is made over the phone. There's been more than one death of "natural causes" where the killer later boasts about it and the case is reopened. I would keep an open mind on all of these, including the possibility that a burial at sea may have surfaced. That happens too.
Nice Hypothosis
Now start assembling factual evidence that supports or refutes it.a
Scientific method is your friend.
All theories
So, you want your doctor to start considering "all theories" when you go in for stomach discomfort.
"Mr. O-fish, well, it could be constipation or ... you might just need to let those monkeys fly out of your butt! Have to consider all theories ..."
How about...
...if the doctor and the entire public health system devote a lot of time/energy/resources to exploring the VERY REAL POSSIBILITY of monkeys up your butt (probably put there by some woman from CA), because cancer is just a theory?
Do you know what summarily means?
Because that is not the way it's been dismissed. See other replies here and every other time the serial killer notion is presented.