Two leafy, affluent North Shore towns, Hamilton and Wenham, are [url=http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/art... the idea of merging[/url]. They already share a railroad station, a high school, and a library.
If they decide this is a good idea, what other similar pairs of towns should follow suit? Medford and Malden? Swampscott and Marblehead? Weston and Lincoln? Arlington and Belmont? (Or Watertown and Belmont?)
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Hamilham?
By adamg
Tue, 11/11/2008 - 10:29am
Weniton?
If they were in a mergin' mood, it would make more sense for Lincoln to merge with Sudbury, given that they already share a school system.
Lincoln-Sudbury
By Ron Newman
Tue, 11/11/2008 - 10:36am
but the two towns don't actually share any border, unless you count a corner as a boundary. (The other two sides of that corner are Wayland and Concord.)
Towns not connected to each other
By adamg
Tue, 11/11/2008 - 10:42am
Actually, that's a good reason for Boston to swallow up Brookline, because it's just annoying that Brookline is no longer connected to the rest of Norfolk County. Well, that and the fact that on a map Brookline looks like a giant paramecium eating its way through Boston and it's also annoying that there's a part of Boston that's only a block wide due to the presence of Brookline. So it's time for Brookline to become a Boston neighborhood.
At least, that's what I'd say if I were a revanchist irredentist (OK, OK, that doesn't apply in this case since Brookline never was part of Boston's ancestral homeland, but how often does one get to use phrases like that?).
Ah, but the question is
By jchristian
Tue, 11/11/2008 - 11:18am
whether Brookline's atrocious roads would get worse or better if it were swallowed by Boston?!
Sorry to any residents for taking a potshot, but I have often marveled at the horrid condition of Brookline's streets. (Yes, I know there is work going on @Rte 9, and Goddard Ave was finally fixed, thank the Lord...)
HAHA POTSHOT and hes talking
By ShadyMilkMan
Tue, 11/11/2008 - 11:20am
HAHA POTSHOT and hes talking about bad roads... :)
Brooklines border with Boston is just way too long because of how it jets out into the city lol.
Brookline Will Never be Part of Boston
By issacg
Tue, 11/11/2008 - 1:52pm
Cool! I get to be a homer today.
I live in Brookline. I would not be living in Brookline if it had been part of Boston when I bought my place. I would move if it became part of Boston. The list of reasons why is incredibly long, and most are economic (and please don't get all self-rightous out there, if you have laid out for a condo/house in greater Boston over the last few years you know what I'm talking about and you feel the same way). Anyway, a few items on the list are: I like trees; I don't want to pay $400-500/year more in car insurance (used to live in Brighton, and upon moving less than 1.5 miles into Brookline, it decreased over $400/yr); and my condominium would be worth half of what I paid for it because the town's services, particularly in the education department, blow Boston's away. By way of example, and in my experience, police respond in a minute or less, and the fire department/EMS in less than 90 seconds. Public works/Water Dept. have resonded on the same day (once within 25 minutes!). I think the performance of the school system doesn't require discussion (it's one of the best in the state).
I would submit that a big part of the reason why Brookline has such great services is because it still has a town form of government (with a representative town meeting), which keeps it closer to the people (and also confers the extra added benefit of not haveing to deal with jokers like those who comprise the Boston City Council). There is also no shortage of people in the town who pay attention to what the town government is doing.
Also, I'm not quite sure why it matters that Brookline is not contiguous with the rest of Norfolk County (although I did love the paramecium comparison), considering that Governor Weld and the Legislature essentially eliminated county government in the late 90s. Further, if Brookline were going to go to another county, it would go to Middlesex, not Suffolk. There is no way that the people here would agree to join a county containing Boston, Chelsea, Revere and Winthrop because it would be clear which way the money and services would flow.
Finally, it was by the good grace of Brookline (almost certainly with some strong-arming from the legislature) that Allston-Brighton was not cutoff from the rest of the City when Boston annexed it in the late 19th Century. Brookline used to contain the land all the way to the Charles River, but it ceded everything north of the back of the southern sidewalk on Commonwealth Avenue to Boston when Boston annexed A-B. I believe that this was so Boston sewer and street lighting lines (which was why A-B, Hyde Park and the others agreed to annexation) would not have to run through another town (an idea which must have been abandoned at some point since when NStar cut the pipe in Brighton earlier this year the oil that was released ran under Brookline into the Muddy River).
See, this is what happens when I get some time to write. Sorry to have subjected all of you to that.
Counties
By Ron Newman
Tue, 11/11/2008 - 2:23pm
these days matter only for grouping together municipalities that are served by the same Registry of Deeds, Registry of Probate, sheriff, district attorney, and district courts.
Being in Norfolk County means that you share these with Dedham and Canton and Quincy, rather than with Boston or Newton.
Cohasset is another disconnected "island" of Norfolk County, separated from the rest of it by Hingham and Hull which are in Plymouth County. I'd like to know how that happened.
Back in the day,
By agingcynic
Tue, 11/11/2008 - 9:53pm
banks could not do business over county lines. Cohasset was a summer colony, (Joe Kennedy was turned down for club membership and decamped to Hyannis). Anyhoo, the folks from Brookline who summered in Cohasset wanted to do business with their banks (read trust officers)while they were out of town for the summer without schlepping back home. Presto, gerrymandered county borders. How did you think our congressional districts got to look like that?
Brookline seceded, I think
By timlav
Tue, 11/11/2008 - 7:16pm
I think Brookline was once part of Boston, and it seceded. It purposely joined Norfolk County to be a heavyweight as compared to a shadow it would have been in Suffolk or Middlesex counties. That's the story as I've been told.
I could be wrong, so I'd defer to the knowledge of the Boston News-Letter history dude.
Does anyone have Gil Hoy's number? I bet he knows.
Brookline and Norfolk County
By Ron Newman
Tue, 11/11/2008 - 11:58pm
It looks to me like the history is more like this:
- Brookline separates from Boston
- Many towns (including Brookline, Roxbury, and Dorchester) separate from Suffolk County, forming a new Norfolk County
- West Roxbury separates from Roxbury
- Roxbury, Dorchester, and West Roxbury all join Boston, and therefore also rejoin Suffolk County. Brookline doesn't join Boston, so it remains a now-disconnected piece of Norfolk County
It shall be known as
By Hankery
Tue, 11/11/2008 - 10:30am
It shall be known as Wenhamilton.
The Dirty R Word (regionalization)
By pahkcah02
Tue, 11/11/2008 - 11:13am
I love how this article quotes a resident stating that she always believed that Wenham was better than Hamilton. This type of elitism reminds me why I don't subscribe to the Globe.
I don't understand why they can't remain two seperate towns with a unified school district, police department, fire dept, DPW, etc. There must be way to work out a formula so each town contribues $X per resident without going through the bother and expense of changing names, zip codes, phone exchanges, etc. Surely an area like Hamilton-Wenham, where the average household makes 6 figures, someone up there should be bright enough to draft a plan that drastically reduces overhead while maintaining each town's historic identity.
Plenty of places retain
By ShadyMilkMan
Tue, 11/11/2008 - 11:18am
Plenty of places retain their names in a merger. Look at Boston and all of its neighberhoods. Chesnut Hill straddles more then one city and retains its name. Wollaston and Quincy, Prattville and Chelsea, even Lynn tries to push the "Diamond District" every so often.
As much fiscal sense as
By ShadyMilkMan
Tue, 11/11/2008 - 11:14am
As much fiscal sense as combining towns makes, it would be a hard sell in every corner of the state. These two towns have a fighting chance at it because they have had these services combined for long periods of time already. The older residents seem to be the ones most upset by it, and thats explained by the fact that they have been there the longest but also because they never shared a school, a library and a train station with the other side. For the middle aged and younger crowd they went to school with each other so the prospect of merging shouldnt be so daunting, that community identity as one unit started when they started attending classes in the same building. When I was in high school we would play their highschool in a few sports and we all always thought it was just one town with a long name anyway, like Austria-Hungary before the war...
Id love to see Medford and Malden try that on for size, there would be riots in the streets.
Pathetic Sliver
By Jason
Tue, 11/11/2008 - 11:38am
I always said that Wenham was a pathetic sliver of a town. It makes sense to just merge into Hamilton instead.
Hamham
By bostnkid
Tue, 11/11/2008 - 11:50am
n/t
sorry adam, i scanned right by your hamilham.
We have a winner
By Dave
Tue, 11/11/2008 - 12:29pm
We have a winner
Obviously
By Lanny Budd
Tue, 11/11/2008 - 12:08pm
Bedford and New Bedford
LOL
By fenwayguy
Tue, 11/11/2008 - 12:41pm
That's the spirit!
Belchertown and Athol
Merging/Changing names
By timlav
Tue, 11/11/2008 - 7:12pm
What about Chelsea and Clinton?
I once thought Philipston should change its name to Terenceton and Philipston.
I also like the 'hams. There's a place where they NEEDham. Next door is the DEDham. If they merged it would be NEED-DED-ham.
People talk a lot about hogs live in CHATham. They're fans of Whitman in WALTham. They admire the art of ham in FRAMINGham. They always want to know the time in WENham.
In one place, it'll even RAYNham. But stay away from ASHBURNham unless you like your ham well done.
HA! I could go on and on. Sorry.
Easy to digest
By SwirlyGrrl
Wed, 11/12/2008 - 9:44am
What would that be called? Illium? Jejunum? or would it be a colon-ial merger?
It would most certainly be a great place to get gas ...
How about....
By jdj
Tue, 11/11/2008 - 1:15pm
Lynn & Lynnfield? They're right next to each other, and have so much in common.
Merging Malden and Medford
By Robert David Su...
Tue, 11/11/2008 - 12:30pm
There certainly would be riots if Malden and Medford merged -- even though, with a population of more than 100,000, the new city would surpass Cambridge, Somerville, Newton, and Quincy in size. Wouldn't that mean some political and marketing clout?
Of course, the official downtown would have to be in present-day Malden. That's a deal-breaker.
I dunno , you make a good
By ShadyMilkMan
Tue, 11/11/2008 - 1:13pm
I dunno , you make a good point. The Medford guys would have to stop and think for a second about that concept of greater power. Although you are right that Malden has the more established downtown and that would really irk the Medfordites.
Name Would Be Easty
By anon
Tue, 11/11/2008 - 3:03pm
The Mustangs and Golden Tornadoes shall never mate. But, the new name would be easy. Malford just rolls off the tongue.
Still, if we Medfordites are going to marry, let's marry up. Merge us with Winchester. Winford sounds nice, too. Or Medchester.
A better idea
By SwirlyGrrl
Wed, 11/12/2008 - 9:46am
Given the general government competence issues, I'd much rather Medford merge with Somerville. Otherwise, the dunderheaded know-nothing "worship my office and don't question me" fools helming Medford would then say "but we have rapid transit now and we don't need that nasty green line thingy that is such a radical new idea from the 40s".
Malden would greatly benefit by joining with Melrose.
A reason to oppose Hamilham
By adamg
Wed, 11/12/2008 - 8:47am
The couple trying to visit all 351 cities and towns in the Commonwealth explain that the Massachusetts 350 Project just doesn't sound as good.
I like the site and project
By ShadyMilkMan
Wed, 11/12/2008 - 9:34am
I like the site and project but am perplexed by their map. They seem to be going about this pragmaticly for the most part but there are some cities/towns that are white (not visited) in the middle of all blue (have visited) cities/towns (Mostly in the western part of the state.) Why not just get it out of the way while your there lol.