By adamg on Tue., 11/14/2017 - 8:11 am
A Dracut state rep says it's time to crack down on people who blithely walk in between and not at the green while looking at their phones - or listening to their Beats - and wants to see fines increased from the current $1 to up to $200 (for repeat offenders; the first fine would be $50).
Ed. questions: Dracut? This is a problem in Dracut? Do they even have sidewalks or traffic lights there?
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MarkKK got elected!
By BostonDog
Tue, 11/14/2017 - 9:18am
If they just banned pedestrians and widened the streets we could eliminate all driving laws entirely. Isn't that what they really want?
I'd be all in favor of this law if they increased the fine for speeding or not stopping for people in crosswalks to $1000 and the officer gets to keep 1/2 the fine. (So they'd actually enforce it.)
I'm OK with that! Throw in
By tofu
Tue, 11/14/2017 - 9:54am
I'm OK with that! Throw in red light runners in there as well and people who drive in the oncoming lane for a 1/4 mile to make a left turn because they are too important to wait. Make our streets safer for all.
That's cute
By Roman
Tue, 11/14/2017 - 11:11am
Solving inefficacy with third world corruption.
How do you feel about bringing back the death penalty? Instead of messy legal proceedings, we could have summary executions if you look at someone funny.
I used to be against it
By Michael
Tue, 11/14/2017 - 11:27am
But if MBTA bus drivers petition to have rocket launchers installed so they can vaporize cars that cut them off trying to pull out of stops, I'm willing to listen
And also...
By Karl
Wed, 11/15/2017 - 9:06am
They could use those same vaporizers to take care of idiots who block the bus stops, also with their cars.
Better yet:
By Neal
Wed, 11/15/2017 - 9:59am
Put cameras on the front of MBTA buses and authorize bus drivers to issue civil infraction tickets to drivers who block bus stops. It would work like this: bus pulls up to stop, driver sees a car/truck, etc. blocking the stop, the driver presses a button, it takes a photo of the offending vehicle, and voila, a ticket is mailed to the registered owner.
Ed. questions: Dracut? This
By anon
Tue, 11/14/2017 - 8:27am
Ed. questions: Dracut? This is a problem in Dracut? Do they even have sidewalks or traffic lights there?
No, but the Dracut rep just MUST drive his personal car, with just him in it, into the city, and BY GOD he won't be delayed by these city dwelling PEASANTS who WALK a single moment more!! The city exists for suburban drivers and this man is doing the lord's work by returning us to that!
Yup!
By baepp
Tue, 11/14/2017 - 9:28am
Also pretty sure the representative is a woman.
Yes.
By frobot
Tue, 11/14/2017 - 9:47am
Her name is Colleen Garry.
Just like MA to crack down
By anon
Tue, 11/14/2017 - 8:42am
Just like MA to crack down had on silly things and let real criminals run the show
What's the fine for a car running a red?
By anon
Tue, 11/14/2017 - 8:51am
Make it $200, and that's millions of dollars of Boston revenue a day.
Too little. Make it $400,
By tofu
Tue, 11/14/2017 - 9:53am
Too little. Make it $400, that's what it is in California and I haven't seen any red light runners
People driving recklessly get away with murder
By anon
Tue, 11/14/2017 - 10:36am
but let's go after jaywalkers! Wow. What was the punishment for a person driving a car on Beacon Street in Boston and striking and killing two innocent pedestrians in 2014? Only 18 months. Not only that but he and the passenger LIED to try to get away with it by saying each of them was driving at the time. Disgusting. This man should NEVER BE DRIVING EVER AGAIN. However, let's go after people walking and hit them with a $200 fine if they're texting and jaywalking! When was the last time any of us who live and/or work in the city of Boston saw a car get pulled over for blowing through a stop sign, red light, or a crosswalk with pedestrians crossing legally! I've lived here for nearly 20 years and my answer is: NEVER!
https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2015/01/03/man-m...
Man gets 18 months in prison for Back Bay crash that killed couple
Patricia Lanzillotti cried in court where Mohamed Alfageeh pleaded guilty to charges that he killed her son, John, and his girlfriend, Jessica Campbell.
Jonathan Wiggs/Globe Staff
Patricia Lanzillotti cried in court where Mohamed Alfageeh pleaded guilty to charges that he killed her son, John, and his girlfriend, Jessica Campbell.
By Peter Schworm and John R. Ellement Globe Staff January 03, 2015
The death of her daughter Jessica, who was hit crossing a Back Bay street by a car that had barreled through a red light, did not fill her with rage, Ronnie Campbell said. The depths of her sorrow, the overwhelming sadness that left her family shattered, left little space for bitterness.
“My sense of grief and loss supersedes any sense of anger,†she told a hushed Boston courtroom on Friday, where the driver who killed Jessica Campbell, 27, and her boyfriend, John Lanzillotti Jr., 28, pleaded guilty to two counts of motor vehicle homicide.
“Nothing is going to bring Jess or Jack back to us. I just hope that people just remember them for what they were — two honest, really good people,†she said.
Mohamed Alfageeh wa sentenced to 18 months behind bars.
Mohamed Alfageeh wa sentenced to 18 months behind bars.
Mohamed Alfageeh, 30, of Allston, was sentenced to 18 months behind bars and three years of probation for crashing into the Brookline couple in June as they crossed Beacon Street hand in hand during a walk.
Millons of Dollars?
By whyaduck
Tue, 11/14/2017 - 10:57am
As someone who walks every day in Boston and Cambridge, I can count on one hand how many cars go through red lights. And most of the time, say 99% of the time, I am not even counting. This is a falsehood by many who think every other car out there is running a red light. Most drivers are responsible and do not run red lights.
Really?
By Saul
Tue, 11/14/2017 - 11:02am
Go stand by the Museum of Science between 8 and 9 and count how many drivers start going through the intersection at Museum Way when the light's yellow and about to turn red, and are halfway through when the light turns red and pedestrians have started crossing. Every one of those drivers has run the red light. (If you're stopped when the light's yellow because there's no room ahead and you start as the light turns red, congrats, you've run the red light.)
Whoa there partner.
By whyaduck
Tue, 11/14/2017 - 1:13pm
Let me clarify. I do not see many drivers running red lights, where the light is red and has been for more than a few seconds, in the course of my day, as I walk in Boston and Cambridge. That also means at intersections. I never said anything about yellow lights, which means that you can proceed, as a driver, with caution. If you get caught in the middle when the light changes, you can stop (depending on how safe it is for you to do so) or proceed (which means you may run a red light).
In regards to your last statement, if you are stopped or stuck in an intersection and light turns red, your choices are to remain in the intersection and block traffic or proceed through the red light. I think most of us would proceed.
I'm talking about drivers who
By Saul
Tue, 11/14/2017 - 1:27pm
I'm talking about drivers who are stopped before the intersection on the yellow, and then proceed through the light as it turns red, even though there's likely no space on the other side. Happens all the time at Museum Way.
Yes, I know you are.
By whyaduck
Tue, 11/14/2017 - 1:55pm
But I am not.
actually it is illegal to enter an intersection
By cinnamngrl
Tue, 11/14/2017 - 2:10pm
if you can't pass through the entire intersection green or not.
Steady Yellow
A steady yellow light means the traffic signal is changing from green to red. You
must stop if it is safe. If you are already stopped at an intersection or a stop line, you may not proceed.
However, your explaination of yellow lights shows what kind bad driver you are.
Video from the summer
By Saul
Tue, 11/14/2017 - 2:40pm
Video from the summer of this particular intersection.
more anecdata
By peter
Tue, 11/14/2017 - 11:52am
I was almost hit by a dude going through a red this morning, on the corner of the Common.
I also drive from cambridge to everett a few times a week, at rush hour, and see folks run a red more or less every time. More anecdata - I live at a 3 way stop intersection, and it's scary how many folks blast right through without stopping at all.
Well, Peter,
By whyaduck
Tue, 11/14/2017 - 1:03pm
I did mean most drivers but not all. Of course, some folks will go through red lights. LOL.
If you near an intersection where folks are regularly blasting through red lights, you should call your local police.
And the local police will do nothing
By BostonDog
Tue, 11/14/2017 - 1:11pm
Almost all local police in all Boston area cities and towns don't consider minor traffic infractions to be worth their time. On the rare cases they do a "sting" at any intersection they have no shortage of violators.
It's surprising as the amount the towns would earn from the tickets would cover the officer OT.
I don't know.
By whyaduck
Tue, 11/14/2017 - 1:13pm
One may try, however.
This sounds like more than minor traffic infraction. If you have an intersection where cars are regularly running red lights (according to the original post), I would at least give the local police a try.
You know why they don't "earn money" doing this?
By anon
Tue, 11/14/2017 - 2:05pm
The state takes all but $25 of the fine, that's why.
Need a shovel?
By anon
Tue, 11/14/2017 - 2:04pm
It might help you dig that hole you are working so furiously to enlarge.
PRO TIP: lots of people here spend a lot more time in the city than you do and we are all seeing a hell of a lot more red light running and box blocking than you describe. Your opinion of what constitutes "running a red light" is not a valid discriminator here. The facts are in evidence, and you aren't paying attention.
That's a lot
By Tim Mc.
Tue, 11/14/2017 - 1:29pm
"Millions of dollars" is of course too high, but... every day, without even trying, you see 1-5 cars run red lights? Let's do a Fermi estimation! My assumptions:
6 infractions/(20 intersections * 1 minute) * 1440 minutes/day * 1000 intersections = 432,000 infractions per day ($86M).
It's a Fermi estimation, so it might be off by an order of magnitude or so, especially given the sloppy inputs. (Also, my math could be wrong! Please check it.) But that still makes a million dollars a day plausible if all the red light runners were caught and punished.
Hokey.
By whyaduck
Tue, 11/14/2017 - 2:07pm
I walk a total of 125 minutes (walking to Charles street in the am (around 7:15-8:00am); walking to South Station in the PM (5:45-6:30pm) and pass five controlled intersections (not sure where you are walking to see 20). If I am stopped at a light, I will spend more than 1 minute observing. I mostly see no infractions.
What does Fermi say about that?
Better numbers!
By Tim Mc.
Tue, 11/14/2017 - 2:18pm
OK, let's plug those in! Sorry I misunderstood the number of infractions you see; it sounded like you usually saw at least one. Call it an average of 1 observed every other walk, then, and double it for total? Still one minute average per intersection. Total time walking is actually a bit of a red herring; I was just using that to extrapolate from my own walking (which goes along a larger road, I suspect.) I'll also throw in a factor of 0.2 to say that red-light running and overall traffic volume are higher during your rush-hour walks.
2 infractions/(5 intersections * 1 minute) * 1440 minutes/day * 1000 intersections * 0.2 = 2 / 5 * 1440 * 1000 * 0.2 = 115,200 infractions per day ($23M).
Still seems like a really high number of red-light runners, but I'm not sure where the give is in the numbers.
(I actually don't have a particular agenda here; I do see a lot of red-light runners, but I don't have a good sense of how frequently since my memory is pretty bad these days. I mostly notice the ones that nearly run me down as I cross.)
Thomas Bayes
By anon
Tue, 11/14/2017 - 3:01pm
Smiles upon you for rerunning that with a new prior distribution based on new information.
priorities
By SC from JP
Tue, 11/14/2017 - 9:09am
Crossing the street while looking at your phone - in a crosswalk or otherwise - is surely not safe, but perhaps there's another mode of transit for which this is a bigger, more dangerous problem.
What are the odds?
By anon
Tue, 11/14/2017 - 9:14am
What are the odds that said Dracut state rep has either already or will shortly receive a ticket for texting while driving?
Can't wait for that bike officer to nail him.
roughly zero?
By SC from JP
Tue, 11/14/2017 - 10:12am
The odds that she does, in fact, text while driving are quite high. The odds that she'll be punished for this are extremely low. She's not special in this regard.
This is one of the worst
By Kinopio
Tue, 11/14/2017 - 9:26am
This is one of the worst ideas I've ever heard. Drivers can blast music and talk on their cellphone while operating a deadly weapon but pedestrians can't have headphones on?! Screw that.
Dracut Rep Colleen Garry is a terrible and dumb person. She is the perfect example of an entitled driver who puts their convenience above the safety of others. She doesn't care about pedestrians because, as a morbidly obese person, she probably never walks. She is jealous and angry at the healthy and happy people she sees running, biking etc so she is trying to make them as miserable as she is. She called Black Lives Matter members "terrorists" and claimed that structural racism doesn't exist. She sucks at being a human.
Go after the maniac drivers who killed 36,000 people in this country last year. This is akin to charging a sexual assault victim for the cost of the rape kit while giving the rapist 4 star meals during lunch break at the trial.
While I mostly agree with you...
By Neal
Tue, 11/14/2017 - 9:41am
I don't think it's fair to attack her on her physical appearance. If you want to go after anything, go after her dumb ideas and her reputation for sponsoring absurd legislation. I guess we shouldn't expect too much from a town that has a name that anagrams to Rat Cud.
Ew Gross
By BlackKat
Tue, 11/14/2017 - 9:49am
What a horrible bigot she is. Thanks for the link illustrating her other memorable and far more disgusting bills.
And she's a Democrat!
By anon
Tue, 11/14/2017 - 10:36am
And she's a Democrat!
DINOs in our midst
By anon
Tue, 11/14/2017 - 3:47pm
Sadly enough, the least progressive faction in MA government is DINOs like Garry and Dinoto and others in the MA House who act like and vote like they are wackjobs or get their marching orders from religious crazies.
The republican leadership in the statehouse and in the Senate is far more progressive.
My God
By BostonDog
Tue, 11/14/2017 - 10:14am
Wow, such horrible person with twisted views. From that article:
Surprised she isn't driving around in pickup with a confederate flag strapped to the back.
What is sad
By downtown-anon
Tue, 11/14/2017 - 10:37am
Is that some of these bills would do well in other parts of the country.
So, this is the latest hot topic
By merlinmurph
Tue, 11/14/2017 - 9:41am
I find it amazing how much attention the latest hot topic gets, while ignoring longtime issues like handheld phone use.
Should be part of an overall initiative
By apkmax
Tue, 11/14/2017 - 9:43am
Jaywalking (regardless of mobile device use) at controlled intersections on major thoroughfares in Boston is a selfish act that causes problems for both vehicles and fellow pedestrians. Everyone rightfully would get upset if a vehicle drives through a red light causing a delay for everyone else using the intersection; however, jaywalkers which cause a vehicle to stop short and then get stuck in the box get a free pass?
I welcome the increase in jaywalking fines, but the increase should be part of an overall initiative to improve the flow of pedestrians, bikes and vehicles through both education and improvement in intersection designs.
- Someone that walks to the office everyday
Not hypothetical
By anon
Tue, 11/14/2017 - 9:55am
You should spend some time in Boston.
This. Enforce ALL THE RULES!
By tofu
Tue, 11/14/2017 - 9:56am
This. Enforce ALL THE RULES! Hundreds of $$$ in fines! Improve safety for all and get more funding for departments (make 1/3rd go to education, 1/3rd to police, 1/3rd to fire dept)
This is a very reasonable
By cden4
Tue, 11/14/2017 - 10:31am
This is a very reasonable suggestion. Especially in Boston, the walk signals are a total mess. Every time I visit another major US city, it becomes very obvious how they should be done, yet Boston can't seem to get it right. The walk signals should come on automatically concurrent with the green signal in the same direction, and should last as long as the green. I don't know why this is so difficult. It's like this in San Francisco, Chicago, New York, etc. The other difference I notice is that in these cities, the cycle length of the signals is much shorter, which means that you never wait more than about 30 seconds to get a walk signal (or a green signal as a driver). Not surprisingly, more people wait for the walk signal in these cities.
I would definitely be in favor of increased enforcement as well, in particular when someone (driver, bicyclist, pedestrian) does something dangerous that puts others at risk.
Not a fan of concurrent signals,
By whyaduck
Tue, 11/14/2017 - 10:53am
as I was almost hit, in Cambridge, by a pickup truck last year. I had the walk signal and he had the green light. I was in the middle of the crosswalk, when the driver, who was not present at the intersection before I began to walk, came too fast and took a left turn not slowing down. I had to throw myself out of his way onto the pavement before I got smacked by his grill.
So, yes, Cambridge has concurrent signals but, because of the above, I prefer when I cross, the drivers have the red.
concurrent signals
By Saul
Tue, 11/14/2017 - 11:08am
Having the pedestrian signal be red in both directions at the same time means every pedestrian has to wait up to three cycles to cross, even if they don't want to cross diagonally, and means every driver has to also wait perhaps the same number of cycles, regardless of which directions pedestrians are crossing.
Is a red light really going to protect you from a driver who can't care to look whether it's clear before turning?
I'm the one that flew, not you.
By whyaduck
Tue, 11/14/2017 - 1:14pm
Traffic used to stop more often when someone had the walk signal. I am old enough to remember that used to be the norm. Now, because of the traffic density, (per my conversation with a representative from the City of Cambridge Transportation Department, after my accident) the priority is to keep the traffic moving. Ok, a compromise: How about when I press the walk signal, the traffic stops?
In regards to your last question, the majority of drivers stop for reds, so my answer is "yes". The driver that almost hit me was not running a red.
The only reason I was not hit (his truck's grill was inches from me) is that I have, it appears, quick reflexes. If I did not, I would of been hit. If I was pushing a baby carriage, we would of been hit. And after suffering for months with an very painful, rather large bruise on my upper thigh (and I was quite lucky), never mind the pain of throwing my body down on concrete (and getting soaked as it was during a rainstorm), I prefer a red light that holds the traffic when I cross in a crosswalk.
Weird
By boo_urns
Tue, 11/14/2017 - 1:31pm
I know you had one experience the exact opposite, but my experience with concurrent lights is that with the lead time you get with the walk signal before the green light, it makes it safer for pedestrians to cross, and that's been my experience. Which is odd that we're discussing "pedestrian" issues when it seems like we have a problem with...... drivers!
One experience too many, my friend.
By whyaduck
Tue, 11/14/2017 - 2:01pm
At this intersection and at the time of the accident there was not much lead time, which did not help. After my accident and my conversations with the transportation dept., I did notice that the lead time was changed (made longer) at that particular intersection.
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