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Government shutdown means New Englanders in the military overseas won't be able to watch the Pats
By adamg on Sat, 01/20/2018 - 1:02pm
Stars and Stripes reports that one of the first casualties of the Republican-forced shutdown is the Armed Forces Network, which broadcasts stateside news, entertainment and sports to military members and their families overseas. And that means no Patriots game on TV for them tomorrow, Allston/Brighton Vets reports.
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No sportsball.
But without a DACA deal real people are hurt in real ways.
Lots of people hurt
Not being able to watch your team might suck, but not getting a paycheck sucks harder. They still need to report to duty but it might be months before they see their compensation. Apparently on-base childcare services can close, planned medical care services are delayed, etc. Private contractors who serve government employees won't even get backpay for the business they lose during the shutdown.
In short, this really, really sucks for lots of deserving people. Congress and the President should be ashamed.
Not accurate
Democrats are the ones not voting for temporary funding. Please, research what’s really happening. DACA has NOTHING to do with FUNDING but Dems are trying to attach it.
Which party controls both houses of Congress and the presidency?
The Democrats are a minority in government. The majority party can't get a budget item through? Sad.
Adam, I think you need to
Adam, I think you need to look up what the term filibuster means. Any chance we can get a more accurate story once you look it up?
And I think you need to realize
That "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington" is not an accurate reflection of the way the Senate operates in 2018.
Just curious...
What you mean when you refer to the majority in the context of the number of votes required to avoid a shutdown.
How many votes are required and how many republicans are there?
Let me know when you have a moment.
STUDY Our Government
Again, misinformed, for THIS type of funding u need Democratic support. This is NOT a majority vote wins. That is different. This is a Temporary funding measure. NOT A BILL OR LAW VOTE ..but if u listen Trump is threatening to change the voting rules.
No, you don't need Democrats
The Republicans keep changing the rules when it suits them. They have the majority. They could easily change the rules, no Democrats needed.
It's not the Democrats' fault the Republicans in the House are split between the sort of normal people and the Gilead contingent.
Still waiting for the
Still waiting for the definition of filibuster.
It's a meaningless term in the current environment
Mr. Smith went to Washington, but he's dead now.
That's funny, if you google
That's funny, if you google filibuster and hit the news button, the page fills with very modern websites from all spectrums of the political rainbow using the word. Your non-response tells me more than any actual answer you could have possibly given as the definition. I guess ithis is your typical click-bait headline on UHub with no substance and a snide remark from the author when you question his position.
Well, more to the point ...
This isn't about filibusters anyway.
Based on the rules the Senate has itself drawn up, and which the Senate itself could easily rescind - just like it refused to even give Merrick Garland a hearing in 2016 - this measure needs 60 votes. Even with some defecting Democrats, McConnell didn't have 60 votes, because there were a bunch of defecting Republicans.
So enjoy getting wound up over filibusters, when that was never the issue to begin with.
Well, if this was the GOP's fault...
Why was Chuck Schumer just on TV saying he's ending it in return for a conversation on DACA? I thought it was the GOP that shut down the gov't? How did the Dems decide to then end it?
Ahh yes
The Libruls fucked your mom as well. When will those bastards learn!?
Seriously, fuck off back to school. The GOP has majorities in every branch of government. They can't, or won't govern. This is their sack of shit.
Really, the democrats are
Really, the democrats are blocking military pay? That's not what I saw on C-Span...
https://twitter.com/SenateDems/status/954761305424105472
That's a lie
The Republicans voted 45 to 5 for the motion to continue funding. If your own party had voted for it, with that treasonweasel Pence's vote, it would have passed. You can't even control your own party.
Welcome to Politics
Obviously you never studied government in school.
This crap happens all the time - there are actually pros and cons to allowing completely irrelevant garbage get attached to more relevant legislation - but it's nothing new - happens every day in Congress and state legislatures.
Plus - it was supposed to be on the table and essentially a rubberstamp on whatever the Congress brought to the president - he said so himself VERY publicly. They brought him a bipartisan reasonable attachment and he threw it under the bus.
You want to blame someone - forget Congress. This one lays squarely on the doorstep of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave and our crappy president who barely knows what day it is which someone makes him fit for office according to his doctor.
I'm not a sports watcher but
I'm not a sports watcher but isn't this stuff on the internet?
Let me get this straight.
You want folks in the military overseas to illegally download a stream of the game from some insecure server in god knows where?
Are you the same person who decided condoms weren’t needed in Haiti?
Schumer one ups Barney Frank
Forget dining room tables. Best quote of the morning:
Negotiating with this administration is like negotiating with Jello
Ha!
Good point
There are a number of similarities between Mr. Trump and Mr. Cosby, skin color aside.
Indeed
They both had quite a bit of success in media and went to college in Philadelphia.
If only those were actually the first things that
most Americans think of when Cosby and Trump are mentioned together.
You watched the clip of his meeting re immigration, right?
Dotard barely managed to feign interest. Every time someone spoke he'd agree with whoever spoke. Then someone would say the opposite and he'd agree with that person. The key to negotiating with Trumpski must be simply to be the last person to talk to him before he signs something.
Good to know
that you don't have to go far to contact your friendly neighborhood libtard quoting copy from the KCNA.
I am always impressed
By how well you present a convincing argument against immigration.
Tell me
What else do I make a convincing argument for?
Let me jog your memory:
Immigrant...covered that
Jewish...have at it, chief
Male...too easy for an SJW
White...ditto
Married...um...something something patriarchy?
I've got a beard and mustache going at the moment...you can do something with that, right?
Oh poor snowflake
Did you get triggered by the nasty liberal?
Actually
People have been saying this about Trump for years, long before hevgot elected.
And as you know, nobody on this board will mistake me for any libtard.
The dear leader
had to dig through a Korean-to-English dictionary to come up with 'dotard'
How about...
Proven thief, proven adulterer, most likely traitor, big fan of incest and likes to pay porn stars 130k for bad sex? Any Korean for that?
I'm past caring
. The novelty wore off in the 90's when he was all over the TV and the tabloids with the same exact act.
Well, then!
You must really be bored by the Mueller investigation! Missed that during the 90's!
I'll do something silly
and wait for him to finish and present his findings before deciding to be bored or not.
You're right!
Flynn and Manafort are like the cartoon that comes on before the main feature starts!
And the manbabies...
...are gonna be laughing all the way to prison.
simple workaround
https://www.reddit.com/r/nflstreams/
Tried that in London a month ago
Several attempts failed. I hope our servicepeople have better luck.
Pats
During Desert Storm I heard about the Super Bowl by word of mouth. I'm sure these guys could do the same.
Try again
Democrat-forced shutdown.
Let me get my popcorn and get comfy as y'all try to explain to me how a CR vote in the senate where 90 pct of the No votes came from Dems and 90 pct of the Yes votes came from GOP can possibly be a "Republican-forced shutdown."
Take your time...stretch before hand. Maybe run a few warm-up laps. I wouldn't want you to hurt yourselves.
Compromise, man
They need 60 votes. The GOP only has 52 of them. That means there needs to be a compromise. Both parties are "forcing" the shutdown and both are to blame.
The Dems have been willing to compromise not but roll over on 100% of issues which is what is being asked by the GOP.
If the parties were reversed, do you think the GOP would be willing to roll over on all their core values? They didn't when Obama was president.
Of course they did
The 2013 shutdown was about defunding Obamacare and capping the debt limit. After about two weeks of silly, Obamacare was funded and the debt limit raised.
Why? Obama wasn't going to sign a defunding bill, nor was he going to cap spending.
Here, the shutdown is 100% about amnesty for illegals. An amnesty that looks regrettably likely given the president's recent public statements. The tantrum is that the dems don't want to give on border enforcement. Border enforcement will happen because it's already the law. Hence, tantrum.
That's silly
The border is plenty well funded and will continue to be so. Even CBP doesn't know what to do with all the money and new hires they have been given. (Aside, when you are desperate to hire people quickly you end up with a lot of people who have no business being in law enforcement.)
Trump keeps moving the line. The dems compromise, he wants more. They come up with a bipartisan agreement and he responds that he doesn't want people from "shithole" counties coming to the US. So yeah, no compromise, no deal.
And here I thought Trump was the king of deals?
That's half-true
The half that is true is that CPB can't magic up thousands of new agents out of nothing.
The half that isn't is that the border is funded. It isn't. Congress mandated a wall in the Bush years, but never funded it to completion.
The half that's true is that Trump had *a* compromise on his desk. Whether it would have gone through the house or not is an open question that we'll never get the answer to because (here's the half that's not true): the Dems lead negotiator thought the most important thing to do at the time was take Trump's private (and factually true, and lots of people agree with them) comments public to embarrass him with, steal the news cycle, and derail the discussions and manufacture a crisis.
You know...
When is that wall going to built between us and Canada? You know, the country without that many brown people as Mexico?
And as far as the Dems holding up the negotiations due to the "shithole"remark, you always think it's sound Federal policy to capitulate to the demands of racists, adulterers, thieves and more than likely traitors?
"Factually true". Who agrees with that statement? Your pals on Gab?
How many...
Illegal immigrants cross the Canadian border a year? How many cross the Mexican border?
What?
You don't actually have the least idea, do you?
According to a lot of reporting, both parties came close
several times to reaching a compromise, and both sides publicly expressed frustration at how Trump's hourly waffling and failure to grasp basic policy details made it impossible to seal a deal.
It will be interesting to see how the public lays the blame, but it looks to me like the President owns this one. For all his self-touted deal-making skills, he sure appears to be an utterly incompetent negotiator.
That may be true
but what is also true, and there's no getting away from this little fact since it's spelled out in the Constitution, is that Congress, and only Congress, is responsible for coming up with budgets and all other federal laws.
The guy in the oval office can be a literal bundle of mattress springs, and it's still the fault of Congress if there's no budget bill on his desk.
Remind us
Who controls Congress
At the moment, eight senators
who can vote to end debate. Any eight. Up to four of them can be Republicans.
Trump reportedly spent a lot of today
endlessly rewatching old TV clips of himself berating Obama for his failure of leadership in the 2013 shutdown. For some reason, this made him feel better.
Christ, what a putz.
Was it interspersed
with some hot Gorilla-on-Gorilla action?
Trump 2013: "Well, very simply,
you have to get everybody in a room. You have to be a leader. The president has to lead. He's got to get [the Speaker of the House] and everybody else in a room, and they have to make a deal. You have to be nice, and be angry, and be wild, and cajole, and do all sorts of things. But you have to get a deal."
"“Problems start from the top, and they have to get solved from the top, and the President’s the leader, and he’s got to get everybody in a room, and he’s got to lead. And [Obama] doesn’t do that, he doesn’t like doing that, that’s not his strength. And that’s why you have this horrible situation going on in Washington. It’s a very, very bad thing and it’s very embarrassing worldwide.”
My favorite, a Tweet: "Leadership: Whatever happens, you're responsible. If it doesn't happen, you're responsible."
Trump 2018, shaking teeny-tiny fist: "Schuuuuuumeeeerrrrrrr!"
Christ, what a putz.
Update!!!!!
Unlike the last shutdown, AFN has been restored and parks will remain open. I guess Trump isn’t looking for political optic points unlike the last administration.
I guess...
I guess Trump knows that this is a GOP shutdown, 100% on him, and doesn't want the BAD optics of a park shutdown, which the public will blame on him.