The Dig reports on increasingly common and long lasting rat poisons that are beginning to work their way up the food chain - to the raptors that eat the rats that don't die right away.
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Just kill all the cats they said
By anon
Thu, 05/31/2018 - 4:29pm
That will protect the birds! There are other ways to get rid of mice and rats.
Bad idea
By perruptor
Thu, 05/31/2018 - 4:45pm
From the Audubon Society (linked to in the Dig article):
This is a stupid thing to be putting into the food chain, especially to prevent a hypothetical problem that hasn't happened.
Reportedly, During The BigDig, Skunks Were Employed To Kill Rats
By Elmer
Thu, 05/31/2018 - 4:42pm
[img]https://elmercatdotorg.files.wordpress.com/2018/05...
[sup] ( from another rat-based post today on NextDoor )[/sup]
Rodenticide and lead show up
By brianjdamico
Thu, 05/31/2018 - 5:00pm
Rodenticide and lead show up in far too many injured wildlife, especially birds of prey. And they both come from human sources, although for lead may have been in the environment from some time ago as it doesn't really good away.
I'm glad to see the rodenticide part of it getting some attention, since we can stop it by using other methods of rodent control. (Sticky traps are bad too, especially outdoors, as they can easily catch and kill unintended animals).
I was wondering about this.
By be
Thu, 05/31/2018 - 5:18pm
My part of Somerville used to be raptor central. This year, we've seen / heard hardly any.
There's a big squirrel problem here, and one of the neighbors took matters into their own hands, laying bait out. Word got around, and they had Animal Control called on them. Makes me wonder, though, how many other people are doing this who haven't been caught, and what the impact is going to be?
I love the hawks. In addition to keeping rodent population down, they helped with the other big nuisance wildlife problem - pigeons.
They're using Zest to kill rats?
By Turalura Lipschitz
Thu, 05/31/2018 - 6:23pm
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Dry ice
By anon
Thu, 05/31/2018 - 7:16pm
Put it down rat holes to kill them.
EPA
By cybah
Fri, 06/01/2018 - 8:13am
EPA won't allow it and/or is trying to investigate some limited use.
They need to. It helps
City of Boston is trying to get permission. Once they do, places like Chelsea and other towns will be able to apply for the waiver.
YES
By Marco
Fri, 06/01/2018 - 8:38am
How can Carbon Dioxide be worse than literal poison working through the food chain. I continue to be dumbfounded by the controversial use of dry ice to kill rodents.
Climate change
By anon
Fri, 06/01/2018 - 10:25am
What are you trying to destroy the earth. Anyway the rats were here first so they get to keep the place.
Rats were not here first
By anon
Fri, 06/01/2018 - 11:12am
They came with humans. Humans cause rats to spread around the globe. They can swim, but not that well.
More specifically
By perruptor
Fri, 06/01/2018 - 1:55pm
They came with Europeans.
Yes and No
By anon
Fri, 06/01/2018 - 2:06pm
They weren't in Europe until they came to Europe from Asia with the trade routes with Asians.
Yes and Yes
By perruptor
Fri, 06/01/2018 - 7:42pm
They didn't come to America with the original settlers, who came from Asia. Europeans brought them.
Commercial Carbon Dioxide Is Primarily A Recovered Waste Product
By Elmer
Fri, 06/01/2018 - 12:11pm
Many industrial processes generate carbon dioxide as a by-product of various chemical reactions. Instead of being released directly into the atmosphere, it can be captured and recovered for other uses. This is how commercial carbon dioxide products are made.
In other words, dry ice is simply re-using otherwise wasted carbon dioxide, allowing it to serve another useful purpose before ultimately releasing it. Note this is quite different than carbon dioxide pollution generated by burning fossil fuels as an energy source.
I have one problem with the article
By Waquiot
Thu, 05/31/2018 - 10:56pm
She notes a threat to children, but gives nothing to back that up. I mean, my son doesn't go into the poison containers, which are designed to ensure kids don't do that. Nor does he eat dead rats, or wild birds of prey.
I mean, other than that, the article was good, and the threat to the ecosystem should be noted, but she does throw out that "what about the children" line lazily.
Glad your son is OK
By perruptor
Fri, 06/01/2018 - 6:51am
Others haven't been so fortunate:
In the linked article, that "10,000 children" is a link to an EPA announcement banning the new rat poisons. In the Dig article, it's pointed out that since the EPA didn't actually recall the poison, there are massive quantities still for sale.
Unleashed dogs can kill the rats
By anon
Fri, 06/01/2018 - 9:28am
More kids would be dead from infectious diseases if we didn’t kill the rats. In NYC they have the dogs do it, of course people flip out here if they see a dog off the leash.
This isn't Calcutta
By anon
Fri, 06/01/2018 - 10:46am
Citations needed.
Who's going into bait boxes?
By Waquiot
Fri, 06/01/2018 - 9:29am
That seems like a situation where parents should tell their kids now to get into those.
And again, this is not to say the poison in the bait boxes are alright, since the rest of the article supports the overall claim that they are not, but still, the poison is in a box for a reason.
missing the point.
By cinnamngrl
Fri, 06/01/2018 - 9:53am
Its not about accidental poisoning, its about the fact that the poison is increasing the rat population. These poisons are designed to be as safe as possible, which is why they don't kill instantly. And the rat doesn't die in their burrow, they wander around in delirious pain. This causes natural predators to absorb the poison into their system. As the natural predators die the rat population increases.
I get the point
By Waquiot
Fri, 06/01/2018 - 10:32am
As I have noted in the previous comments.
it is a small part of the story.
By cinnamngrl
Mon, 06/04/2018 - 11:58am
The world is full of poisons that endanger children. While it is one of the factors in this problem, it is a generally agreed that rat poison is dangerous to children, and pets that come into direct contact.
The new and important information is that 2nd exposure is killing natural predators and natural competitors. As because of this poison is actually causing the rat population to increase rather that decrease.
Yes, because telling kids what to do and not do
By Tim Mc.
Fri, 06/01/2018 - 10:10am
is guaranteed effective, as every parent knows...
Yes, it does
By Waquiot
Fri, 06/01/2018 - 10:34am
When they are young, they will listen to you. When they get to the stage of doing their own thing, they should know better. Of course, the tide pod trend works against the second part of the theory, but still. And toddlers should be watched, with parents noticing when their kid are near things like rat poison bait stations.
Sample of n=1
By anon
Fri, 06/01/2018 - 11:15am
Maybe your kid is easily frightened into compliance, but not every kid is your kid.
Also, are you raising an obey me kid or a think for self kid? Consider that the next time you punish your child for being curious rather than put your poison away.
Too funny.
"curious" kid?
By Waquiot
Fri, 06/01/2018 - 1:11pm
I guess I messed him up when I told him not to touch the third rail or stopped him from running out into traffic, right?
Telling a kid not to do or use something that might kill him cannot be viewed as a bad thing. but hey, if you want your kid to think for himself and try heroin, so be it. Myself, I'll be telling him that it is poison and to stay away from it. As for actual poison, we don't use it (if you look at my previous comments, I feel that it is a threat to the environment overall) but at the same time, again, I would advise people to keep their kids away from it. To each their own, eh.
Good luck with that!
By anon
Fri, 06/01/2018 - 2:09pm
And Just Say No and DARE work infallibly well in your world, too?
Hmmm ... maybe you should share your drugs.
Okay
By Waquiot
Fri, 06/01/2018 - 10:53pm
I'll give him no guidance about how to handle drugs. That should work out just fine.
The best way to prevent accidental poisoning
By anon
Fri, 06/01/2018 - 10:50am
Don't use poison.
Store poison away from where kids and pets can get at it
If you use poison, only use it in places where kids and pets can't get at it. I made boric acid frosting and piped it behind my backsplash using a tube and a disposable pastry bag to kill ants. My toddlers never touched it, The ants were wiped out.
Never rely on "I've trained my kid like a superrobot and he won't touch anything". It doesn't work. It has been shown to not work. Your kid is not a superrobot and child abuse teaches control and obey, not think and learn.
So in short
By Waquiot
Fri, 06/01/2018 - 1:15pm
You created a boric acid bait station.
Have you ever seen what a rat poison bait station looks like?
But sure, report me to the authorities for telling my son not to touch a rat poison bait station. I also told him not to stick metal things into electrical outlets. A monster I am, since I didn't let him learn what electrocution is like.
Jeez, so hyperbolic
By Tim Mc.
Fri, 06/01/2018 - 5:19pm
I'm a parent, I know better than to try to micromanage how other parents raise their kids. You know your own kid, that's great. But don't try to speak for all the *other* kids out there, and how they behave.
Dammit
By Waquiot
Fri, 06/01/2018 - 10:57pm
You make a good point.
That said, it really does look like people don't know how rat poison is dispensed. Much like other hazards out there, it behooves parents, in whatever way they see fit, to instruct their children to avoid the bait boxes, like they would with say nail guns.
And once again, yes, rat poison can do a lot a damage to the ecosystem. I'm only talking about kids being affected. Just want to make that clear as day.
Yeah the bait boxes
By Tim Mc.
Sat, 06/02/2018 - 2:41pm
are actually not super easy to get into, which is good. The kid would have to work at it a bit, which would give the parent time to intervene. Personally, I'm not too worried on that front!
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